Amil, Premil, poster list

[Douggg]

I am starting this thread for everyone's benefit. Please add your name to list of what you are - whether, Amil or Premil. Copy and paste the list from the previous post, so that the list grows as each person adds their name.

Premil
@Douggg
@MA2444
@th1b.taylor
@ewq1938
@rebuilder 454


Amil
@WPM
@Spiritual Israelite
@Marty fox
@grafted branch
@jeffweeder
@TribulationSigns

 

[Keraz]

Neither- there is no rapture to heaven and the Millennium comes after Jesus Returns.
Keraz

What would be of benefit to everyone, would be for all to believe what the Prophetic Word actually says.
But as people with long held ideas, doctrines and beliefs are locked into them, Isaiah 29:9-12, a change of mind won't happen. Only as things start to happen, will their eyes be opened and their ears unstopped. Isaiah 35:4-5, +

 

[Douggg]

Neither- there is no rapture to heaven and the Millennium comes after Jesus Returns.
Keraz

What would be of benefit to everyone, would be for all to believe what the Prophetic Word actually says.
But as people with long held ideas, doctrines and beliefs are locked into them, Isaiah 29:9-12, a change of mind won't happen. Only as things start to happen, will their eyes be opened and their ears unstopped. Isaiah 35:4-5, +

keras, being Amil or Premil refers to whether or not there will be a thousand year reign of Jesus on the present earth.

If you believe that Jesus will return and reign on this earth for a thousand years, then you are Premil. It does not mean that you believe in a rapture to heaven or not.

 

[MA2444]

I am starting this thread for everyone's benefit. Please add your name to list of what you are - whether, Amil or Premil. Copy and paste the list from the previous post, so that the list grows as each person adds their name.

Premil
@Douggg

MA2444 - PreMil.

 

[Keraz]

being Amil or Premil refers to whether or not there will be a thousand year reign of Jesus on the present earth.

I view Pre-mil as just a rapture before any tribulation. AMill is the Millennium now.
Both are error and confusion. It is a bad mistake to believe either of them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I view Pre-mil as just a rapture before any tribulation. AMill is the Millennium now.
Both are error and confusion. It is a bad mistake to believe either of them.

You say "the Millennium comes after Jesus Returns", but also deny being Pre-mil. Talk about confusion....

 

[Marty fox]

I am starting this thread for everyone's benefit. Please add your name to list of what you are - whether, Amil or Premil. Copy and paste the list from the previous post, so that the list grows as each person adds their name.

Premil
@Douggg
@MA2444

Amil
@WPM
@Spiritual Israelite

Marty Fox Amil

 

[th1b.taylor]

Bill T premol

 

[th1b.taylor]

Neither- there is no rapture to heaven and the Millennium comes after Jesus Returns.
Keraz

What would be of benefit to everyone, would be for all to believe what the Prophetic Word actually says.
But as people with long held ideas, doctrines and beliefs are locked into them, Isaiah 29:9-12, a change of mind won't happen. Only as things start to happen, will their eyes be opened and their ears unstopped. Isaiah 35:4-5, +

I try not to discuss non-salvic matters into the excess but as we meet Him in the clouds I'll wave atcha. (Last word: pure Texan)

 

[Keraz]

I try not to discuss non-salvic matters into the excess but as we meet Him in the clouds I'll wave atcha. (Last word: pure Texan)

Jesus will have the last Word and it isn't going to be: Come up here.

But right; what happens next is not a salvation issue. Provided we hold onto our belief and trust in Him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus will have the last Word and it isn't going to be: Come up here.

Actually, it will be, but "here" will be "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17) and not heaven.

But right; what happens next is not a salvation issue. Provided we hold onto our belief and trust in Him.

Agree. Since there are end times scriptures that speak of the need to endure to the end to be saved (Matt 24:13), the need to overcome and be faithful unto death in order to receive the crown of life (Rev 2:7,10), and the need to be patient while facing persecution that can result in death (Rev 14:12-13), then what happens next can be a salvation issue if you are facing persecution that scripture says we need to endure to the end while being faithful and patient unto death.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus will have the last Word and it isn't going to be: Come up here.

But right; what happens next is not a salvation issue. Provided we hold onto our belief and trust in Him.

My point infered. But each position makes their case from scripture and the truth will just be no matter how much we debate and no matter the truth I accept. What's to discuss?

 

[grafted branch]

I am starting this thread for everyone's benefit. Please add your name to list of what you are - whether, Amil or Premil. Copy and paste the list from the previous post, so that the list grows as each person adds their name.

Premil
@Douggg
@MA2444
@th1b.taylor

Amil
@WPM
@Spiritual Israelite
@Marty fox

I think the millennium is already over, I guess you can put me down for Aftermil or something like that.

 

[Douggg]

I think the millennium is already over, I guess you can put me down for Aftermil or something like that.

I listed you under the Amil group. If you don't want that, say so. I am not going start a new category called "Aftermil".

 

[Marty fox]

I think the millennium is already over, I guess you can put me down for Aftermil or something like that.

The binding ends in our world but not the reigning.

According to revelation chapter 20 the binding ends when satan is released in verse 7 and that may of already happened. The reigning ends at the end of our world when the rest of the dead rise see verse 5 which we see happens in verse 12.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

there is no rapture to heaven

Too bad you don't accept all that the Word of God teaches.

That's too bad for you!

 

[ewq1938]

I view Pre-mil as just a rapture before any tribulation.

You view it wrong and are in contradiction of the definition. It isn't about the rapture but when Christ returns and you believe He returns before the Mill starts making you Premill.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm Premill Doug.

 

[grafted branch]

I listed you under the Amil group. If you don't want that, say so. I am not going start a new category called "Aftermil".

Well, I think the thousand years was the time from the cross to 70AD where Satan was bound from exercising his right to destroy Jerusalem.
There are others who place the millennium from the time of Solomon to the cross, and I’ve also seen where some have equated Christ’ resurrection with the millennium, meaning they both started and ended with His resurrection, they are one and the same.

You can lump everyone who’s not Premil into one category but it might not be as helpful or beneficial.

 

[grafted branch]

The binding ends in our world but not the reigning.

According to revelation chapter 20 the binding ends when satan is released in verse 7 and that may of already happened. The reigning ends at the end of our world when the rest of the dead rise see verse 5 which we see happens in verse 12.

I see it as Satan being bound from gathering the nations to destroy Jerusalem and I see the Galatians 2:9 agreement that James, Peter, and John were to go to the circumcision, as something that was never rescinded.

So I come to the conclusion that Revelation was written to the circumcision, meaning that those of the circumcision who were beheaded lived and reigned for the thousand years. Saved Gentiles also live and reigned but I don’t think they are in view in Revelation 20. I see the end of the old covenant circumcision happening in 70AD, when the nations (Gentiles) surrounded the camp of the saints (Jerusalem) and fire came down (in judgment) and devoured them (those who didn’t flee).

As far as “the rest of the dead” there are several possibilities. Luke 9:60 says let the dead bury their dead, and Luke 17:30-31 says that the Son of man is revealed in the day that they are to flee.

When I put these verses together I come up with the dead having Christ revealed to them which causes them to flee and live after the thousand years are finished, just prior to Satans little season.