The absurdity of Pretrib logic

[Douggg]

If you think that the rapture could possibly happen today, you fall into one of these rapture timing views...
(1) the pre-trib view (2) the anytime rapture view (3) the any day rapture view.

I personally am anytime rapture view.

 

[WPM]

Are you going to go for the "any day rapture view" as well ? Defined as that your view spans the rapture could happen"any day" between and including today and the day of Jesus's Second Coming.


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No one knows when.

 

[Douggg]

No one knows when.

right.

 

[Douggg]

@WPM

By adopting the Any Day rapture view, you can put the burden on pre-trib as to why the rapture must happen before the 7 year 70th week (which they are calling the trib) begins.

Likewise, you can put the burden on anytime rapture view (like I hold) of why the rapture must happen before the transgression of desolation act by the Antichrist.

And by adopting the Any Day rapture view, you can hold that the rapture may not take place until the day of Jesus's Second Coming.

With the post-trib view, you are burden with proving that the rapture can only happen on that one day of Jesus's Second Coming. So, if I were you I would drop the post-trib view, and go with the newly created, coined, Any Day rapture view.

You are going to have to explain the Any Day rapture view when entering into discussion from now on, since it is new, but the explanation is simple as defined on the chart in the blue letters. Just copy and paste the chart when the discussions take place.

 

[WPM]

@WPM

By adopting the Any Day rapture view, you can put the burden on pre-trib as to why the rapture must happen before the 7 year 70th week (which they are calling the trib) begins.

Likewise, you can put the burden on anytime rapture view (like I hold) of why the rapture must happen before the transgression of desolation act by the Antichrist.

And by adopting the Any Day rapture view, you can hold that the rapture may not take place until the day of Jesus's Second Coming.

With the post-trib view, you are burden with proving that the rapture can only happen on that one day of Jesus's Second Coming. So, if I were you I would drop the post-trib view, and go with the newly created, coined, Any Day rapture view.

You are going to have to explain the Any Day rapture view when entering into discussion from now on, since it is new, but the explanation is simple as defined on the chart in the blue letters. Just copy and paste the chart when the discussions take place.


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How many times do you want me to tell you, I do not recognize your erroneous charts? You are fixated with them. You constantly talk about them. You pridefully elevate them above Scripture and you hide behind them when cornered.

You only serve to turn people off by your obsession.

Give it a break and people might take you more serious.

 

[Douggg]

How many times do you want me to tell you, I do not recognize your erroneous charts? You are fixated with them. You constantly talk about them. You pridefully elevate them above Scripture and you hide behind them when cornered.

You only serve to turn people off by your obsession.

Give it a break and people might take you more serious.

Since you believe that the rapture could possibly happen today - you don't hold the post-trib view, which maintains that the rapture can only happen on the day of Jesus's Second Coming.

 

[WPM]

Since you believe that the rapture could possibly happen today - you don't hold the post-trib view, which maintains that the rapture can only happen on the day of Jesus's Second Coming.

Please do not talk on my behalf or that of any other posttribber. You're not qualified.

 

[Douggg]

Please do not talk on my behalf or that of any other posttribber. You're not qualified.

Since you said you believe that the rapture could happen today - you are not qualified to be a postribber.

Do a google image search of post-trib rapture view charts. And find one that fits you, and post it.

 

[The Light]

Daniel 12:1-3 reveals, “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.”

This reading shows a general resurrection involving two types of people – the righteous and the wicked; one group rises "to everlasting life" the other to "everlasting contempt." The fact that we see a clear description of the general resurrection of the righteous and the wicked tells us that this is a tribulation that occurs prior to the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The word here for “many” in the original Hebrew (rab) actually means: the abundance, referring to quantity, size, age, number, rank, quality. In the sense it is used here it includes everyone that is in the grave. Namely: “the abundance of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.”

Let me get this straight. Pretty much all the translators translated the verse as......Many of Those.........and .........Many of Them. You want come along and change the translation to abundance because properly translated it proves what you are saying is incorrect and does not agree with scripture. So you in all your great wisdom and authority have decided that you know more than all these educated translators.

Get real. The scripture says many of those or many of them. You are in error again, which you already knew. Deal with it.

 

[The Light]

I already refuted this and you once again ducked around the rebuttal. That is what you have to do to sustain your error!

No. You attempted to change the Hebrew because the scripture proves what you are saying is wrong. Here's a reminder.........

Let me get this straight. Pretty much all the translators translated the verse as......Many of Those.........and .........Many of Them. You want come along and change the translation to abundance because properly translated it proves what you are saying is incorrect and does not agree with scripture. So you in all your great wisdom and authority have decided that you know more than all these educated translators.

Get real. The scripture says many of those or many of them. You are in error again, which you already knew. Deal with it.

Additionally, you can have an abundance but that does not me ALL.

 

[Taken]

You are a child. Like your immature childish brethren, you are incapable of making a coherent argument using scripture.

Are there any adult pretribbers here who would like to have an adult discussion? Step on up!

Thank you for noting the Basic:
I am a child OF God!

I contend (revealed by your own posts, your own words) you FAIL to Comprehend the difference between Mindful Understanding and Spiritual Understanding…
THUS…
Attempting to have a meaningful Conversation with you FROM a Spiritual Understanding POINT of View, is a FAIL…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

Since you said you believe that the rapture could happen today - you are not qualified to be a postribber.

Do a google image search of post-trib rapture view charts. And find one that fits you, and post it.

Your charts are a joke and your math is a joke. All this from a man that is incapable of presenting one single Scripture to support a rapture of the Church followed by a tribulation followed by another coming. Your doctrine is in ruins tonight. It is time to embrace the truth. You are pushing people toward Amil by your lack of Holy Writ.

 

[WPM]

Thank you for noting the Basic:
I am a child OF God!

I contend (revealed by your own posts, your own words) you FAIL to Comprehend the difference between Mindful Understanding and Spiritual Understanding…
THUS…
Attempting to have a meaningful Conversation with you FROM a Spiritual Understanding POINT of View, is a FAIL…

Glory to God,
Taken

That is not true. You are playing cryptic games.

 

[WPM]

No. You attempted to change the Hebrew because the scripture proves what you are saying is wrong. Here's a reminder.........

Let me get this straight. Pretty much all the translators translated the verse as......Many of Those.........and .........Many of Them. You want come along and change the translation to abundance because properly translated it proves what you are saying is incorrect and does not agree with scripture. So you in all your great wisdom and authority have decided that you know more than all these educated translators.

Get real. The scripture says many of those or many of them. You are in error again, which you already knew. Deal with it.

Additionally, you can have an abundance but that does not me ALL.

Not so!

rab

1) much, many, great (adjective)
1a) much
1b) many
1c) abounding in
1d) more numerous than
1e) abundant, enough
1f) great
1g) strong
1h) greater than
1i) much, exceedingly

 

[Douggg]

Your charts are a joke and your math is a joke

Then go do a google image search for "post-trib rapture chart". Copy the one that you think is correct and post it.

 

[Taken]

That is not true. You are playing cryptic games.

Jesus Himself said it IS TRUE…

Matt 13:
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

It is beyond your comprehension BECAUSE it is “EASIER” to simply maintain your stubbornness and REJECT, rather than to “DISCOVER” the meaning of Jesus’ teaching, and HOW TO, understand the meaning of Jesus’ teaching.

It’s not rocket-science.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Then go do a google image search for "post-trib rapture chart". Copy the one that you think is correct and post it.

Charts are a handy tool…however WPM is not qualified to have a conversation regarding Spiritual things.

A man…”IN CHRIST”….
IS a man…
WHO IS Sanctifi-ED…accomplished
His fault Against God having HAD disbelief IS …forgiv-EN.
His soul IS…sav-ED.
His spirit IS…quicken-ED
He OCCUPIES…Christ Jesus’ RISEN BODY..
….uh…ding, ding, ding…”IN” Christ.

WHEN…the end of days as we know them occurs…
IT IS….no longer of men Suffering Tribulations CAUSED by other men.

** IT IS…ALL men upon the Face of the Earth…
SUFFERING TRIBULATIONS SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN…
AND the Wrath Consequences thereof…
…The Wrath of the Lamb
…The Wrath of the Devil
…The Wrath of God.

WHY…?
Why IS the Wrath of the Lamb, of the Devil of God……going to Be AFFECTING men upon the face of the earth ??

NOT COMPLEX…
* The Lambs Wrath IS UPON those who rejected the Lamb.
* The Devils Wrath IS UPON those who rejected the Devil.
* Gods Wrath IS UPON those who rejected God.

AND WHERE IS God…WHERE IS Christ Jesus, WHILE Tribulation is being SENT O EARTH…….FROM HEAVEN??

IS God…IS Christ Jesus IN Heaven…SENDING DOWN Wrath upon the Earth?

Or is God…IS Christ Jesus ON Earth RAINING their own Wrath upon themselves?

When…the Lord…descends FROM Heaven…WHERE does He GO…? To Earth? Nope…
TO the CLOUDS…the Clouds IS NOT EARTH.

WHO is summoned TO rise UP to the CLOUDS to MEET their Lord?

(Those who reject the Lamb, the Devil, God??)

The DEFINITIVE ANSWER…is not BASED on “mindful” LOGIC response of who rejected WHO.

The DEFINITIVE ANSWER…is BASED on A “spiritual” response of WHO vowed and spiritually (heartfully) DECLARED, their EXPRESS CHOOSING OF WHO…WHICH is the Same, WHO Chose the Lord God Almighty… Expressly Called “IN” Christ.

Those…”IN” Christ…are the ONLY ones upon the face of the Earth…
That ARE Exclusively ACCOUNT-ED DELIVER-ED…
That ARE Exclusively GIVEN a way and means TO “ESCAPE” the HORRENDOUS, CHAOTIC, Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven UPON the Whole of the Earth.

Christ Himself IS NOT ON Earth IN those days….and NEITHER are those…”IN” Christ!!

By mindful LOGIC deduction…deniers simply give vague accusations…but FAIL to show a step by step process…of how or why they are ON the earth during Gods tribulations and wrath sent down from Heaven.

Spiritual Understanding is not in their patience or ability to follow along step by step.

Bottom line….IF CHRIST is NOT on the face of the Earth during the last days tribulations sent down from Heaven….
Neither are those “IN” Christ on the face of the Earth during the last days tribulations sent down from Heaven.

@ WPM
@ Spiritual Israelite
@ The Light
@ rebuilder 454

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

The absurdity of Pretrib logic

The absurdity that Pretrib Rapture is being claimed it IS based in (mindful) LOGIC!

The absurdity that those “IN” Christ remain ON the Face of the EARTH to suffer the Tribulations and Wrath to be SENT DOWN FROM the Lord God Almighty In Heaven.

The IGNORANCE…of NOT KNOWING ANY Living man on the FACE of the EARTH…NOT HAVING THE SEAL OF GOD…shall suffer …
The wrath of the Lamb, the wrath of the Devil, the wrath of God.

The IGNORANCE…of NOT KNOWING a man “IN” Christ…DOES NOT LITERALLY RECEIVE His SEAL OF GOD…until his BODY…IS RAISED UP!

Where are these anti-rapture mens Scriptural SUPPORT for MEN “IN” Christ to BE on the face of the EARTH…and AVOID the Tribulations and Wrath sent on from Heaven?

Complete SILENCE.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Isaiah 34
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

The day of the Lord is the day of wrath.

Wrath begins at the 7th seal is opened at the trumpets start.

Thank you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Do you deny that God's will has been and is being fulfilled from the beginning? How is the Kingdom of God being built and shall be complete if His will is not being done on earth?

I'm surprised you asked this question.