This will be a sign for you:

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 21:1 proves the New heavens and new earth come after the Millennium and the final Judgment.

I agree. Once the judgment is over then we (believers) will inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom of God in the new heavens and new earth, which is portrayed in Matthew 25:31-46.

2 Peter 3:7 & 10 refer to the Sixth Seal event and 2 Peter 3:11-13. to the NH, NE.

There is no basis whatsoever for dividing up the chapter like this as if 2 Peter 3:7,10 and 2 Peter 3:11-13 are entirely different events. That is utter nonsense.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men..... 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Never does Peter change the subject in these verses and that is obvious. Only doctrinal bias could lead someone to that conclusion. In verse 11 Peter says "all these things shall be dissolved" which means he was referring to something he had previously said before that. What would that be? What he said in verse 10, obviously, which is that the heavens, the elements and the earth would all dissolve. He was referring back to that in verse 11. There is no basis whatsoever to think that verse 11 is not talking about the very same event as verse 10. Same thing with verse 12 where Peter refers to "the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heart". A clear reference back to verse 10, showing those 2 verses to be about the same event. And then verse 13 is also obviously about the same event as well. The result of the current heavens and earth being dissolved and renewed will be "new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness".

This is the sequence as given and is perfectly sensible and logical.

Your interpretation of those verses is senseless and completely illogical.

However; those willing to ignore or dismiss plainly stated Prophecy, in order to suit their beliefs, have other ideas

Like you? You absolutely butcher 2nd Peter 3 and then think you have the authority to say this?

All will eventually be revealed and those who got it wrong will be embarrassed, that's all.

I hope you recover from your embarrassment because it will be extreme.

 

[Jack]

Looks like you just believe what you want to believe and don't want to accept what passages like Romans 9:6-8 teach. You can't even bring yourself to exegete the passage and show exactly how it should be interpreted. I guess you should just rip that passage and others that your doctrine contradicts out of your Bible.

Interpreted? That's what gets you into trouble. You're not Israel!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Interpreted? That's what gets you into trouble. You're not Israel!

LOL. What are you saying, that the Bible doesn't have to be interpreted? If you think only the nation of Israel is referenced in Romans 9:6 then it makes complete nonsense out of the verse. Do you not care about that? Are you comfortable with believing nonsense as long as it lines up with what you want it to say?

If no interpretation of Romans 9:6 was necessary and we should assume Paul was only talking about the nation of Israel there, which means there would be no need to look at surrounding verses for context and no need to use any spiritual discernment to interpret it, then it would mean that Paul was saying that not all who are descended from the nation of Israel are of the nation of Israel. That makes no sense whatsoever. But, that's what you would have to conclude that it's saying if it requires no interpretation (which implies that it can just be read straightforwardly).

 

[Jack]

LOL. What are you saying, that the Bible doesn't have to be interpreted? If you think only the nation of Israel is referenced in Romans 9:6 then it makes complete nonsense out of the verse. Do you not care about that? Are you comfortable with believing nonsense as long as it lines up with what you want it to say?

If no interpretation of Romans 9:6 was necessary and we should assume Paul was only talking about the nation of Israel there, which means there would be no need to look at surrounding verses for context and no need to use any spiritual discernment to interpret it, then it would mean that Paul was saying that not all who are descended from the nation of Israel are of the nation of Israel. That makes no sense whatsoever. But, that's what you would have to conclude that it's saying if it requires no interpretation (which implies that it can just be read straightforwardly).

Israel wannabees twist the Hell out of Scripture, almost as bad as JW's! Perhaps God saved Trump to bless Israel, again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Israel wannabees twist the Hell out of Scripture, almost as bad as JW's! Perhaps God saved Trump to bless Israel, again.

And, yet, you are unable to give a coherent explanation for what Romans 9:6-8 teaches. Says it all about you. You make scripture say what you want it to say. Everyone here can see that. You won't even attempt to exegete the scripture and it's no surprise that you wouldn't want to do that out of fear of what you might discover.

 

[Jack]

And, yet, you are unable to give a coherent explanation for what Romans 9:6-8 teaches. Says it all about you. You make scripture say what you want it to say. Everyone here can see that. You won't even attempt to exegete the scripture and it's no surprise that you wouldn't want to do that out of fear of what you might discover.

Why aren't you in the Land of the Bible? Hmm? Trump blessed Israel. Maybe God will use Trump to bless Israel again!

God bless Israel! In the Land of the Bible!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Signs and Events Before the Coming of the Messiah:

2 Esdras 15&16 These are the words of the Lord: I shall show sinners no pity, My punishment will not spare those murderers who stain the ground with innocent blood. The Lord’s anger will burst out in flame, scorching the earth to its foundations and consuming sinners like burning straw. Woe to sinners who flout My commands, I shall show them no mercy. I well know all who offend against Me, I consign them to death and destruction.

See the clouds – full of fury and tempest, their appearance is hideous. They will let loose a vast storm over the land. There will be terror and trembling throughout the world, people will shudder, stricken with panic. Huge clouds will pile up and ravage the whole land and its inhabitants and a terrible storm will sweep over all that is high and exalted, with fire and hail and flying swords.

Strong is the arm that bends the bow and sharp the arrows that He shoots. Once they are on their way, nothing will stop them until they reach the ends of the earth. Calamities are let loose and will not turn back. The fire is lighted and will not be put out. When the scorching heat bears down upon you, your strength and splendour will wither like a flower. When Y’hovah sends calamities, who can avert them? When His anger bursts into flame, who can extinguish it? When the lightning flashes and it thunders, who will not quake with dread?


The Wisdom Of Solomon 5:17-23 The Lord will array Himself from head to foot with the clothing of His wrath and will make His creation the weapon against His enemies. He will take holiness for His invincible shield and sharpen His relentless anger for a sword. The bolts of His lightning will fly straight to their mark and the artillery of His resentment will let fly a fury of hail. A great tempest will rise against them and scatter them like chaff before a whirlwind. So lawlessness will make the whole world desolate.

But the just will live forever, their reward is in the Lord’s keeping. Therefore royal splendour will be theirs and a crown from the Lord Himself. He will protect His people with His Right Hand and shield them with His arm.

The Wisdom of Solomon 16:15-16 From the Lord’s Hand there is no escape, the godless who refused to acknowledge You are scourged by Your mighty arm and pursued by storms of hail in relentless torrents and are utterly destroyed by fire.
Ref: Revised English Bible Apocrypha


The Otot haMashiah [the sign of the Messiah, written circa 12th century]
The Holy One, blessed be He, will bring to the world heat from the sun, that will kill a thousand times thousands of all the nations and all the wicked of Israel will also die. Everyone will say: Woe is us, where can we escape to? They will dig holes and hide in caves to cool themselves. If you ask: How will the righteous be saved from the heat of the sun? The Holy One, blessed be He, will give them a remedy in that heat.

The Qibbutz Galuyot [the ingathering of the Exiles]
Ever since the destruction of the Temple, in 70AD, the Jews have prayed daily for the rejoining and the restoration of all the twelve tribes of Israel. To make this complete, there has to be a redemption of the Lord’s people to Himself. Therefore, all the Israelites must return to their ancestral Land and also the Shekinah Glory must return with them.

Happy are those who live in those days, to see the good fortune of Israel which God will bring to pass. For the ingathering of Israel, may God hasten His mercy to His people.
The Lord’s People, true Israelites: are now every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29, 1 Peter 2:9-10

True Israelites ARE THE SAVED FROM THE 12 TRIBES- NOT SAVED GENTILES WHO ARE ONE WITH SAVED JEWS AND WE FORM THE ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

yOU CANNOT REWRITE THE PROPHECIES TO MAKE THEM MEAN CHRISTIANS.

 

[Jack]

I think those who try to STEAL Israel's identity are gonna have a very BAD Judgment Day!

Genesis 12:3 I will curse him who curses you;

 

[covenantee]

I think those who try to STEAL Israel's identity are gonna have a very BAD Judgment Day!

Genesis 12:3 I will curse him who curses you;

Any Israelite without Christ has no identity to steal.

He will have a CATASTROPHIC Judgment Day!!

 

[Keraz]

True Israelites ARE THE SAVED FROM THE 12 TRIBES- NOT SAVED GENTILES WHO ARE ONE WITH SAVED JEWS AND WE FORM THE ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

yOU CANNOT REWRITE THE PROPHECIES TO MAKE THEM MEAN CHRISTIANS.

Given that the Jews are from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with a few who have joined over the age, who are those who make up the other 10 tribes? The ones that Jesus came to save? Matthew 15:24
WE Christian peoples represent the true Israel of God and when we rejoin the remnant of Judah, we will each be assigned to a group called by the name of one of Jacobs sons. John sees us in the holy Land, in Revelation 7:9 and Ezekiel 34:11-16 describes our migration to all of the holy Land.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why aren't you in the Land of the Bible? Hmm? Trump blessed Israel. Maybe God will use Trump to bless Israel again!

God bless Israel! In the Land of the Bible!

I am in the land of the Bible since the land of the Bible is the whole world. But, like Peter said, I look forward to inheriting the new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13).

God bless Christians throughout the world in every nation! You need to read the New Testament for once because you clearly have no understanding of it whatsoever.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

 

[Jack]

Any Israelite without Christ has no identity to steal.

He will have a CATASTROPHIC Judgment Day!!

Paul made a CLEAR distinction between Jews and Gentiles? Which are you?

 

[Jack]

I am in the land of the Bible since the land of the Bible is the whole world.

It's called Israel, mentioned hundreds of times in the Christian Bible. "Spiritual Israelite" is never mentioned in the Bible.

But, like Peter said, I look forward to inheriting the new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:13).

God bless Christians throughout the world in every nation! You need to read the New Testament for once because you clearly have no understanding of it whatsoever.

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

I understand you're attacking Israel. Sit back and watch God FIGHT for Israel, again and again ...

God bless President Trump!

 

[covenantee]

Paul made a CLEAR distinction between Jews and Gentiles? Which are you?

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

What distinction did God make? Any idea?

 

[Jack]

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

What distinction did God make?

Evasive! Which are you? Do you even know? Are you Jew or Gentile?

 

[covenantee]

Evasive! Which are you? Do you even know? Are you Jew or Gentile?

Just think. 24,000 of your chosen people.

Dead.

Slain by God, no less.

Aren't you proud of them?

 

[Jack]

Just think. 24,000 of your chosen people.

Dead.

Slain by God, no less.

Aren't you proud of them?

Evasive again! So you don't know if you're Jew or Gentile! All you seem to know is that you HATE Israel.

 

[covenantee]

Evasive again! So you don't know if you're Jew or Gentile! All you seem to know is that you HATE Israel.

24,000 dead Jews. Your chosen people.

Must have been quite a sight.

You should have been there.

 

[Jack]

24,000 dead Jews. Your chosen people.

Must have been quite a sight.

You should have been there.

The reason that makes you so HAPPY is that you're filled with HATRED! Christians don't hate anyone. Quite revealing indeed. ONLY Satan's children hate people!

 

[covenantee]

The reason that makes you so HAPPY is that you're filled with HATRED! Christians don't hate anyone. Quite revealing indeed.

Like you, they thought that they could get away with unlimited sin because of their DNA.

God convincingly showed them otherwise.

They ended up dead.