The Wheel of Life

[Ronald Nolette]

What are you arguing against, that God instructed Adam to name all the animals? How many do you think there were? He lived 930 years. Scholars have estimated that there were some 7,800 pairs of animals on the Ark. Additionally many insects can survive under the soils, in trees, finding pockets of air, so could survive the Flood, but likely many made it on the boat too?

Too numerous to mention. Much scripture shows us the history of Israel having to learn the hard lessons of disobedience and sin resulting in chastisements and judgments.
Didn't you pick that up from the OT?

Yes the3y learned hard lessons because of disobedience. God never condones disobvediewnce, but will redeem disobedience because of mercy.

Remember the Word of God:

Romans 6

King James Version

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

[Gottservant]

I prefer to see life as a swing: it hangs from the tree of God, and is coiled up, until it is coiled enough, then it is let go, and it unravels - but once it is unravelled, some of the moment is carried over, and it is coiled up the other way. Then you jump off!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

No, absolutely not. But you seem to think this verse some how argues against God's plan that included good and evil. He put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden for a purpose - sobrhat we would know BOTH GOOD AND EVIL and tha we were to be moral creatures, responsible for our choices. The Law is holy. It didn't mean He desires us to do evil, nor did it mean that we should enact evil that grace abounds.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, absolutely not. But you seem to think this verse some how argues against God's plan that included good and evil. He put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden for a purpose - sobrhat we would know BOTH GOOD AND EVIL and tha we were to be moral creatures, responsible for our choices. The Law is holy. It didn't mean He desires us to do evil, nor did it mean that we should enact evil that grace abounds.

No! He put it there as a test! to obey or not obey. He knew the choice and redeemed, not condoned or just pooh-poohed it away!

Whether you like it or not or agree or not you do believe in Rom. 6

Romans 6

King James Version

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

YOu contradict yourself in the response above. You say He wanted us to disobey so we would know good and evil and grace and mercy and forgiveness. These things we know because of His redeeming love, not because He desired us to decide what is good and evil for ourselves.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You say He wanted us to disobey so we would know good and evil and grace and mercy and forgiveness.

No, that is the wrong way to look at it. Wanting us to know good and evil is not desiring us to sin. His desire is for us to choose good over evil and to learn from our mistakes.
We point out, wrongs, evils, bad behavior and the pit falls to avoid to our children, and realize we cannot shelter them from them all - that they need to understand them. This does not mean we desire them to choose evil; we just know that there is no other way for them to learn to choose good as adults.
This is getting redundant, you aren't getting my point, no to continue.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, that is the wrong way to look at it. Wanting us to know good and evil is not desiring us to sin. His desire is for us to choose good over evil and to learn from our mistakes.
We point out, wrongs, evils, bad behavior and the pit falls to avoid to our children, and realize we cannot shelter them from them all - that they need to understand them. This does not mean we desire them to choose evil; we just know that there is no other way for them to learn to choose good as adults.
This is getting redundant, you aren't getting my point, no to continue.

But they already knew what evil was by the prohibition of God against eating from the tree of life.

What you need to realize is that when God said that man was like Hin, knowing good from evil, in the original Hebrew it means deciding for ones self what is good and evil.

Our children are born with sin natures so we have to teach them what things are obedience to that nature. Adam and Eve were perfect through innocence and it no way means they could not know good from evil. We do not even know if God hadn't already taught them about the angelic rebellion with Satan!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

But they already knew what evil was by the prohibition of God against eating from the tree of life

God's law to not eat of the tree is not a vast knowledge of good and evil. They were just created, they knew little about anything. Imagine waking up to this world as if your memory was erased, except your ability to communicate. Your newborn comes out of the womb, opens his eyes and know what about life? Nothing.
THEY DID NOT KNOW GOOD AND EVIL - they needed ti take a bite and live life for awhile - it really takes quite some time to learn what they are. I'm done.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God's law to not eat of the tree is not a vast knowledge of good and evil. They were just created, they knew little about anything. Imagine waking up to this world as if your memory was erased, except your ability to communicate. Your newborn comes out of the womb, opens his eyes and know what about life? Nothing.
THEY DID NOT KNOW GOOD AND EVIL - they needed ti take a bite and live life for awhile - it really takes quite some time to learn what they are. I'm done.

For all we know from the time of their creation to the fall could have been decades or even centuries- we just have no clue.

You write like you are glad they fell so we can learn stuff like knowing good and evil and delving deep into both, so god could show us mercy.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

For all we know from the time of their creation to the fall could have been decades or even centuries- we just have no clue.

Do the math! 1656 years.

You write like you are glad they fell so we can learn stuff like knowing good and evil and delving deep into both, so god could show us mercy.

I appreciate all that God gives, all that us good because I know what is evil.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do the math! 1656 years.

I appreciate all that God gives, all that us good because I know what is evil.

welll we need to mercifully end this. It will go nowhere good

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

welll we need to mercifully end this. It will go nowhere good

Good!