What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[Johann]

And my hope for sitting back and watching a debate ends badly.

Not my fault--he is unable to do a rebuttal against the "waterless" Scripture references.

 

[RedFan]

Not my fault--he is unable to do a rebuttal against the "waterless" Scripture references.

Is the issue as simple as whether "If A, then B" means that A is necessary for B or whether it means that A is both necessary AND sufficient for B?

 

[Taken]

Uhhh, YES, in Heaven (Rev. 6:9-11).

Irrelevant…
Rev 6:9-11 says NOTHING whatsoever about praying TO men.

There are no "Dead people" in HeavenIn Heaven, there are NO dead people.

Hogwash…there are MILLIONS of DEAD PEOPLE.

A “PERSON” IS a naturally ALIVE BODY with it’s SOUL IN IT!

A “dead PERSON” is a naturally DEAD body without its soul IN the body.

Dead body’s are buried, in the earth, from whence they came!

Living souls depart a dead body and IF saved are escorted to Heaven…and IF NOT saved are sent to Hell.

ALL have been made PERFECT (Rev. 21:27) and are ALIVE in Christ - and they intercede o our behalf (Rev. 5:8).
In fact - tjey're more alive that [/B]

YOU are . . .

The “SANCTIFIED” are all “ACCOUNTED” IN Gods BOOKS “AS” perfect-ed.
Literally, they ARE YET NOT MANIFESTED PERFECT…

SEEMS your FORGET…John was GIVING a FUTURE ACCOUNT of what WILL BE MANIFESTED….THAT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED!!


UNTIL…
* their body is raised glorified
* their saved soul is returned to their glorified body
* their quickened spirit is returned to their glorified body.
* that occurs WHEN a body IS Raised UP to face Jusgement.

James 6:16
The prayer of a RIGHTEOUS person has great power as it is working.

So? That is not news or the topic or in dispute.

Everybody is Heaven has been MADE righteous and perfect in christ (Rev. 21:27).
YOU need to explain Rev. 5:8 if it is not intercession by those in Heaven.

Many have bodily DIED…their body’s BURIED.
Those whose SOUL was SAVED…their saved SOUL IS IN HEAVEN…in peace, in rest, waiting for Judgement DAY.

SAINTS…are not whom the Catholic Church dictates and venerates with some ritual.

Biblical SAINTS are LIVING Converted Believers and directed to PRAY FOR one another.

IN HEAVEN…guardians of Converted Believers PRAYERS…
ARE…the four beasts, serving God…
ARE…the souls/spirits of 24 Elders…
APPEAR before God AS ODORS in Golden Vials.

Rev.5
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev.8
[3] And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
[4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

ALSO an ANGEL Servant of God, OFFERS much Incense, with the prayers of the SAINTS set before the Throne.

No where IS Mary or Catholic “declared” Saints mentioned receiving prayers, taking Prayers, setting prayers, before the throne in Heaven….as YOU teach.

Living saints (converted IN Christ) pray “FOR”…not “TO” other living saints (converted IN Christ)…

Living saints (Converted IN Christ) are NEVER directed, taught IN Scripture to PRAY “TO” living people, dead people, departed souls, holy angel spirits, fallen angel spirits…

Yes…praying IS a form of ASKING…
Yes…SPIRITUAL praying is EXCLUSIVE communication RESERVED FROM a man TO God Only.
Yes…Non-spiritual requests of asking, can certainly be between Living men, a man and a court, a man and a teacher, etc.
NOT between A LIVING and DEAD man.

You do not delineate between Spiritual PRAYER and Common NON-Spiritual communication.

 

[Taken]

No - that priest is in trouble for misrepresenting the Gospel.
Much like when YOU misrepresent Christ's Church . . .

I realize that t is embarassing to get exposed for lying - so my advice to YOU is to stop lying.
Disagree if you must but leave it at that so I won't hane to expse you . . .

Yes, sy, WHY are you separated yourself from is Church?

An YOU don't know TRUTH - so you don;t know Christ (John 14:6).

GAG!

 

[Johann]

Historically, St. Paul can ONLY have been referring to the Catholic Church since there was NO OTHER Christian Church at the time that he wrote this. The Orthodox splintered off in 1054 A.D. and Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century, and has continually splintered into literally tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting denominations (and counting) since. That cannot be the grounding of truth and unity that Christ intended.

Thanks for the condensed history lesson I am aware of---here is something you might know but not divulge


The Waldenses (or Waldensians) and the Albigenses (often associated with the Cathars) are two distinct Christian movements that emerged in medieval Europe, each with unique origins and theological perspectives. Here’s an overview of their origins and key characteristics:

Waldenses (Waldensians)
Origins:
Founding: The Waldensian movement originated in the late 12th century. It was founded by Peter Waldo (Valdes), a wealthy merchant from Lyon, France.

Conversion: Around 1173, Peter Waldo experienced a profound religious conversion. He renounced his wealth and began to preach a life of poverty and adherence to the Gospel.

Name: The followers of Peter Waldo became known as Waldensians, named after their founder.
Key Beliefs and Practices:
Scripture: The Waldensians emphasized the authority of the Bible and advocated for its translation into vernacular languages so that ordinary people could read and understand it.

Poverty: They preached and practiced apostolic poverty, believing that Christians should live simply and give up worldly wealth.

Preaching: They stressed the importance of lay preaching and believed that anyone, not just ordained clergy, could preach the Gospel.

Sacraments: Initially, they accepted the traditional seven sacraments of the Church but later reduced the number to two (baptism and Eucharist) as they came into conflict with the Catholic Church.

Persecution:
Condemnation: The Catholic Church condemned the Waldensians as heretics in the late 12th century. The movement was officially declared heretical at the Third Lateran Council in 1179 and the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215.
Survival: Despite severe persecution, the Waldensians survived and later merged with the Reformed tradition during the Protestant

Reformation in the 16th century.
Albigenses (Cathars)

Origins:

Location: The Albigensian movement, often associated with the Cathars, was most prominent in the Languedoc region of southern France in the 12th and 13th centuries.

Name: They were called Albigenses after the town of Albi, a center of Catharism, although the term "Cathar" (from the Greek "katharoi," meaning "pure") is more widely used.

Key Beliefs and Practices:
Dualism: Cathars believed in a dualistic cosmology, positing a strict dichotomy between the spiritual world of good, created by a benevolent God, and the material world of evil, created by a malevolent deity or demiurge.

Asceticism: They practiced extreme asceticism, rejecting material possessions and physical pleasures, which they viewed as evil.

Sacraments: Cathars rejected most of the Catholic sacraments, believing only in a spiritual "consolamentum" or baptism of the Holy Spirit, which was administered at death or upon acceptance into the faith.

Anti-Clericalism: They were highly critical of the Catholic Church, which they saw as corrupt and aligned with the evil material world.

Persecution:
Albigensian Crusade: The Catholic Church launched the Albigensian Crusade (1209-1229) to eradicate Catharism. This was a brutal military campaign led by Pope Innocent III.

Inquisition: Following the crusade, the Church established the Inquisition to root out remaining Cathars. The Inquisition used various methods, including torture and execution, to eliminate the movement.

Decline: The Cathar movement was largely destroyed by the end of the 13th century, although small groups survived in hiding for some time.


The Waldensians and the Cathars (Albigenses) were two distinct medieval Christian movements that arose in response to perceived corruption and doctrinal issues within the Catholic Church. The Waldensians emphasized poverty, lay preaching, and the authority of Scripture, while the Cathars adhered to a dualistic worldview, extreme asceticism, and a rejection of materialism. Both movements faced severe persecution from the Catholic Church, with the Waldensians eventually aligning with the Protestant Reformation and the Cathars being nearly eradicated through crusades and the Inquisition.

 

[Johann]

Is the issue as simple as whether "If A, then B" means that A is necessary for B or whether it means that A is both necessary AND sufficient for B?

Doesn't work like that with Scriptures-and now I'm going to ask you to give me the meaning, context and exegesis on the Scripture references I have cited-and remember Miles Coverdale.
J.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What makes you so cock sure you are not in error??

1. Post-Christ
Context: Refers to the period after the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ (c. 4 BC – 30/33 AD). This period is marked by the early spread of Christianity and significant changes within the Jewish community.

2. Post-Temple
Context: Refers to the period after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD. This event had profound religious, cultural, and political implications for the Jewish people.
Significance: The destruction of the Temple ended the central place of worship and sacrifice in Judaism, leading to the rise of Rabbinic Judaism, which focused more on the study of Torah and synagogue worship.

3. Canon of Scripture
Context: Refers to the collection of sacred books that a religious community regards as authoritative scripture. For Jews, this primarily refers to the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), which Christians refer to as the Old Testament.
Jewish Canon: By the late 1st century and into the 2nd century, there was a need within the Jewish community to solidify and define their sacred texts, especially in the absence of the Temple.

4. False Prophet (Akiva)
Rabbi Akiva: A prominent Jewish sage and one of the leading figures in Rabbinic Judaism during the late 1st and early 2nd centuries. He played a crucial role in the development of the Mishnah and the establishment of Jewish legal and religious traditions.
False Prophet Claim: In Christian perspective, some view Rabbi Akiva as a false prophet because he supported a messianic figure whom Christians do not recognize as the true Messiah.

5. False "Christ" (Kokhba)
Simon bar Kokhba: Leader of the Bar Kokhba revolt (132-135 AD) against the Roman Empire. Many Jews, including Rabbi Akiva, believed him to be the Messiah who would deliver Israel from Roman oppression.
Messianic Proclamation: Rabbi Akiva declared Simon bar Kokhba as the Messiah, calling him "Bar Kokhba," which means "son of the star," referencing a messianic prophecy from Numbers 24:17.
False Messiah: From a Christian perspective, Bar Kokhba was seen as a false messiah because he did not fulfill the messianic prophecies as Christians understand them, particularly those fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Integration and Significance
Canon Formation Post-Temple: The destruction of the Second Temple necessitated a reorganization of Jewish religious life. The process of defining the Jewish canon of scripture was influenced by various factors, including the need to preserve Jewish identity and faith after the Temple's loss.

Rabbi Akiva's Role: Akiva’s support for Bar Kokhba as the Messiah reflects the intense messianic expectations among Jews during this tumultuous period. His influence in Rabbinic Judaism and endorsement of Bar Kokhba played a significant role in Jewish history.
Christian Perspective: Christians view this period and the figures involved (Akiva and Bar Kokhba) through a lens that emphasizes the fulfillment of messianic prophecy in Jesus Christ. Consequently, they see Akiva's proclamation and the Bar Kokhba revolt as misguided attempts to identify the Messiah.

The phrase "POST-Christ, POST-Temple Canon of Scripture that was declared by a FALSE Prophet (Akiva) who proclaimed a FALSE 'Christ' (Kokhba)" encapsulates a critical moment in Jewish history from a Christian perspective. It highlights the Jewish response to the destruction of the Second Temple, the subsequent canonization of Jewish scriptures, and the significant, yet ultimately unsuccessful, messianic movement led by Simon bar Kokhba, endorsed by Rabbi Akiva. This period underscores the divergent paths taken by Judaism and Christianity in their understanding of messianic fulfillment and religious authority.

Because NOTHING you posted refutes a SINGLE thing I said,

In fact - it supports eveything I said . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

GAG!

Hmmmm - another "valuable" nugget vomited out in ignorance.
Good job . . .

 

[Johann]

Because NOTHING you posted refutes a SINGLE thing I said,

In fact - it supports eveything I said . . .

There is much I CAN refute you on @BreadOfLife but I am in no mood right now.

Give this a listen.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Irrelevant…
Rev 6:9-11 says NOTHING whatsoever about praying TO men.

I didn’t say it DID. I was pointing to people in Heaven.

I used Rev. 6:8 to show you that there us intercession for those on earth from those on Heaven.

Hogwash…there are MILLIONS of DEAD PEOPLE.

A “PERSON” IS a naturally ALIVE BODY with it’s SOUL IN IT!

A “dead PERSON” is a naturally DEAD body without its soul IN the body.
Dead body’s are buried, in the earth, from whence they came!
Living souls depart a dead body and IF saved are escorted to Heaven…and IF NOT saved are sent to Hell.

he “SANCTIFIED” are all “ACCOUNTED” IN Gods BOOKS “AS” perfect-ed.
Literally, they ARE YET NOT MANIFESTED PERFECT…

SEEMS your FORGET…John was GIVING a FUTURE ACCOUNT of what WILL BE MANIFESTED….THAT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED!!

UNTIL…
* their body is raised glorified
* their saved soul is returned to their glorified body
* their quickened spirit is returned to their glorified body.
* that occurs WHEN a body IS Raised UP to face Jusgement.

WRONG, son.
NOTHING that imperfect or impure can enter into Heaven (Rev. 21:26).

And, as I already schooled you – there ARE disembodied souls in Heaven (Eph. 4:5-6).

So? That is not news or the topic or in dispute.

SURE it is.

The anti-Catholic position is that there us NONE that is righteous on earth – for ALL have sinned and fall short. I hear this argument ALL the time when defending Mary’s Immaculate Conception.

James CLEARLY says that the prayers of a RIGTEOUS person are very powerful.
If there are NONE righteous on earth – than he us referring to those in Heaven.

You can’t have it BOTH ways . . .

Many have bodily DIED…their body’s BURIED.
Those whose SOUL was SAVED…their saved SOUL IS IN HEAVEN…in peace, in rest, waiting for Judgement DAY.

SAINTS…are not whom the Catholic Church dictates and venerates with some ritual.

Biblical SAINTS are LIVING Converted Believers and directed to PRAY FOR one another.

IN HEAVEN…guardians of Converted Believers PRAYERS…
ARE…the four beasts, serving God…
ARE…the souls/spirits of 24 Elders…
APPEAR before God AS ODORS in Golden Vials.

Rev.5
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev.8
[3] And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
[4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

ALSO an ANGEL Servant of God, OFFERS much Incense, with the prayers of the SAINTS set before the Throne.

No where IS Mary or Catholic “declared” Saints mentioned receiving prayers, taking Prayers, setting prayers, before the throne in Heaven….as YOU teach.

Living saints (converted IN Christ) pray “FOR”…not “TO” other living saints (converted IN Christ)…

Living saints (Converted IN Christ) are NEVER directed, taught IN Scripture to PRAY “TO” living people, dead people, departed souls, holy angel spirits, fallen angel spirits…

Yes…praying IS a form of ASKING…
Yes…SPIRITUAL praying is EXCLUSIVE communication RESERVED FROM a man TO God Only.
Yes…Non-spiritual requests of asking, can certainly be between Living men, a man and a court, a man and a teacher, etc.
NOT between A LIVING and DEAD man.

You do not delineate between Spiritual PRAYER and Common NON-Spiritual communication.

WRONG.

Prayer isn’t a “form” of asking.
It literally means “To ASK”.

To ask a to make a request from someone here on earth is to PRAY to them.
It is legal, juridical language that is used in police reports and court documents.

And you can call those in Heaven “Dead” until you turn BLUE – but they are more alive than YOU are in Christ . . .

 

[Johann]

Well, Democrats are a lot of things, but far right isn't one of them. Democrats are liberal, at best, and Marxist at worse. Currently, I think they're leaning towards the latter.

That aside, the Truth admits to neither left nor right. It just "is." Either we are in the truth, or we are out of the truth. Period.

Jesus didn't write a book and codify it as Scripture in the 4th century to spread His truths. He didn't create a bible-reading method to spread His truths, either. He founded a Church. One Church, which has existed from the beginning of Christianity. St. Paul, in 2 Thes. 2:15, refers to both the oral and written traditions (teachings) of Christ.

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

The New Testament was written FROM the oral traditions (teachings) of Christ. SOME of what the Apostles and their successors taught orally was written down, and SOME of that was decided worthy of being called Scripture...in the late 4th century at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage, where the Catholic Church prayed to the Holy Spirit for guidance and analyzed over 300 documents, letters, etc., coming up with the 27 that we all agree on as the New Testament today. Some documents, for example, that they were sure would make the cut were left out, like the Didache, the Shepherd of Hermas, etc. It is by the AUTHORITY of the Catholic Church, given her by Christ, that we have a New Testament today.

And, in his letter to Timothy, 1 Tim 3:15, he refers to the Church as the "pillar and bullwark of truth." What is a pillar and bullwark? Like a castle and defense. So the Church defends Christ's truth.

Historically, St. Paul can ONLY have been referring to the Catholic Church since there was NO OTHER Christian Church at the time that he wrote this. The Orthodox splintered off in 1054 A.D. and Protestantism didn't begin until the 16th century, and has continually splintered into literally tens of thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting denominations (and counting) since. That cannot be the grounding of truth and unity that Christ intended.

You might find the following video helpfull. It's by Dr. John Bergsma, a former Protestant pastor, with a doctorate in Scripture. He is now Catholic, and he discusses some of the issues he overcame in making the switch.

The video clip reminds me of Sam Shamoun who also left the church and embraced the Assyrian RCC.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is much I CAN refute you on @BreadOfLife but I am in no mood right now.

Maybe it's because you don't jave the peace of Christ in you.
I suggest you PRAY . . .

Give this a listen.

Don't expect me to watch a video because of your complete FAILURE to refute me intelligently.
Pathetic . . .

 

[Johann]

The video clip reminds me of Sam Shamoun who also left the church and embraced the Assyrian RCC.

Historically, St. Paul cannot be referring specifically to the Catholic Church as it is known today because the distinct institutional structures of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism did not exist in the 1st century. During the time Paul wrote his epistles, the Christian Church was a unified body of believers without formal denominational distinctions.

The Great Schism, which led to the division between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, occurred in 1054 A.D. Protestantism began in the 16th century with the Reformation and has since resulted in numerous denominations. These later developments should not be retroactively applied to the early Christian Church that Paul addressed. Thus, the early Church Paul referred to was a single, unified community of believers, which all subsequent branches claim as their heritage. This unified community, rather than any specific later denomination, reflects the grounding of truth and unity that Christ intended.

 

[Johann]

Maybe it's because you don't jave the peace of Christ in you.
I suggest you PRAY . . .

Don't expect me to watch a video because of your complete FAILURE to refute me intelligently.
Pathetic . . .

The one pathetic and fruitless is you I'm afraid and there is no efficacy in that round piece of altar bread--take that away and see the Messiah, the RISEN Christ Jesus and do use the spell checker BEFORE even making an attempt to refute me.

 

[RedFan]

Doesn't work like that with Scriptures-and now I'm going to ask you to give me the meaning, context and exegesis on the Scripture references I have cited-and remember Miles Coverdale.
J.

I'm not prepared to do that. Verses that tie salvation to faith without mentioning what else may or may not be necessary to salvation are context dependent, and it is difficult for me to get my arms around the context in a way that provides a firm answer. You may as well ask me whether my sins will all be forgiven simply by virtue of my forgiveness of others. (How easy it is to read Matt. 6:14 that way! How hard it is to square such a reading with the rest of the NT.)

 

[BreadOfLife]

The video clip reminds me of Sam Shamoun who also left the church and embraced the Assyrian RCC.

It reminds me of every other piece of ignorant anti-Catholic excrement I've seen begore.

And there is NO such thing as the Assyrian "Roman" Cathoic Church,
The Assyrian Catholic church is one of many Eastern Litergical Rites that are united wuth the Roman/Latin Rite.

How many times do I have to explain this?

 

[BreadOfLife]

The one pathetic and fruitless is you I'm afraid and there is no efficacy in that round piece of altar bread--take that away and see the Messiah, the RISEN Christ Jesus and do use the spell checker BEFORE even making an attempt to refute me.

I've repeatedly refuted you and you friends with Scripture and history - typos, notwithstanding . . .

 

[Johann]

It reminds me of every other piece of ignorant anti-Catholic excrement I've seen begore.

And there is NO such thing as the Assyrian "Roman" Cathoic Church,
The Assyrian Catholic church is one of many Eastern Litergical Rites that are united wuth the Roman/Latin Rite.

How many times do I have to explain this?

You need to be taught a lesson-quickly


The Assyrian Church of the East, sometimes referred to as the Assyrian Catholic Church, has its origins in the ancient Christian community of Mesopotamia, particularly in the regions of Assyria and Persia (modern-day Iraq and Iran). Here is an overview of its origins and historical development:

Early History:
Ancient Christian Presence: The Assyrian Church traces its roots to the early Christian communities established in Mesopotamia, which was a diverse region with significant Christian populations since the 1st century AD.

Nestorian Movement: In the 5th century AD, theological disputes over the nature of Christ's divine and human natures led to the Nestorian controversy. Nestorius, the Archbishop of Constantinople, advocated a theological position that emphasized the distinction between Christ's divine and human aspects. This theological perspective found support among many Eastern Christian communities, including those in Persia and Assyria.

Establishment of the Church:
Council of Seleucia-Ctesiphon (410 AD): This council, held in the capital of the Persian Empire (modern-day Baghdad), played a significant role in formally organizing the church structure and solidifying its distinct theological identity.

Spread and Growth: The Assyrian Church of the East expanded throughout the Persian Empire and beyond, reaching regions such as India and Central Asia. It became a major center of Christianity in the East, alongside the Byzantine (Eastern Orthodox) Church.

Schisms and Later Developments:
Division: Over the centuries, the Assyrian Church of the East experienced internal divisions and external pressures, including encounters with Islam after the Arab conquests of the 7th century.

Modern History: In the 16th century, some Assyrian Christians entered communion with the Catholic Church, forming what is known as the Chaldean Catholic Church. This created a division within the Assyrian Church, with some adhering to the traditional Nestorian theology and others accepting communion with Rome.

Present Day:
Assyrian Church of the East: Today, the Assyrian Church of the East maintains its presence primarily in Iraq, Iran, and the diaspora communities around the world. It continues to uphold its ancient liturgical traditions and theological heritage, focusing on the teachings of the early Church Fathers and the decisions of the early councils.

Challenges and Identity: The Assyrian Church of the East faces challenges such as political instability in its traditional homelands and efforts to preserve its unique cultural and religious identity in the modern world.

Conclusion:
The Assyrian Church of the East, with its roots in ancient Mesopotamia and the Nestorian theological tradition, represents one of the oldest Christian communities in the world. Its historical development, theological distinctiveness, and enduring presence make it a significant part of the rich tapestry of Christianity in the Middle East and beyond.


Assyrian Church of the East:

Origins: The Assyrian Church of the East traces its origins to the ancient Christian community in Mesopotamia, with roots going back to the early centuries of Christianity. It historically adheres to Nestorian theology, emphasizing a distinction between the human and divine natures of Christ.
Autonomy: The Assyrian Church of the East is an independent Eastern Christian church with its own hierarchy, liturgical traditions, and theological distinctives. It is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church (Latin Church) and maintains its own ecclesiastical structure.

Geographical Presence: Its followers primarily reside in regions historically associated with Assyria, including parts of modern-day Iraq, Iran, and the Assyrian diaspora around the world.
Assyrian Catholic Church:

Formation: In the 16th century, a portion of the Assyrian Church of the East entered into communion with the Roman Catholic Church under the leadership of Mar Yohannan Sulaqa, who was consecrated as a Catholic bishop. This group became known as the Chaldean

Catholic Church.
Distinct Rite: The Assyrian Catholic Church, along with other Eastern Catholic Churches, retains its own liturgical rites, spiritual traditions, and cultural heritage while being in full communion with the Bishop of Rome (the Pope).

Union with Rome: By entering into communion with Rome, Assyrian Catholics maintain their Eastern Christian identity, including their liturgical practices and theological traditions, while recognizing the Pope as the spiritual head of the Catholic Church.

Hierarchy: The Assyrian Catholic Church has its own hierarchy, led by patriarchs and bishops who govern its affairs and oversee its spiritual life within the framework of Catholic canon law.

Eastern Catholic Churches and the Roman/Latin Rite:

Unity in Diversity: The Catholic Church is composed of various sui iuris (self-governing) particular churches, each with its own liturgical rites, disciplines, and theological emphases. These churches include Eastern Catholic Churches (such as the Chaldean Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church, Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, etc.) and the Roman/Latin Rite.

Communion: While distinct in their traditions and practices, all Eastern Catholic Churches are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, affirming the Catholic Church's unity in faith and sacraments.

Appreciation of Diversity: The Catholic Church values the diversity of its Eastern and Western traditions, recognizing that each particular church contributes to the richness of Catholicism while maintaining unity in essentials of faith and communion with the Pope.

The Assyrian Catholic Church is indeed one of several Eastern Catholic Churches that maintain their own liturgical rites and traditions while being in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.

This communion does not erase their distinctiveness but rather allows them to express their faith within the broader Catholic communion. The Assyrian Church of the East, on the other hand, remains a separate Eastern Christian church with its own traditions and theological heritage, not in communion with Rome but maintaining its ancient apostolic roots and identity.

And now we can start with you and your foul mouth--

 

[Johann]

I've repeatedly refuted you and you friends with Scripture and history - typos, notwithstanding . . .

Not me-you might want to rethink your presumptuous assertion.

 

[Taken]

Hmmmm - another "valuable" nugget vomited out in ignorance.
Good job . . .

Your arrogance, snarkiness and gaslighting has run out of steam to be laughable…
To down right disgusting. Congrats on reaching your plateau .