Spiritual Warfare

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2020
20,322
8,124
113
Netanya or Pensacola
Faith
Christian
Country
Israel
(Notice how the word "holiness"

You have to become this..

"The righteousness of GOD..........IN CHRIST"...........that you denied, when you said....more than once...= """God does not offer/provide His Righteousness..""""

And yet, if the sinner is not forgiven and then provided GOD's Righteousness, then the person has not been forgiven, is not born again, and will not go to heaven.

Your bizarre theology, that isn't connected to any Mainline Catholic or Protestant Denomination... NONE OF THEM.. .is extremely Toxic to Christians, and even more harmful, to someone who is only water baptized and religious, and not truly Born again.
You are on a forum, that allows what you do. and that is why you continue.
And, Thats a fact, proven by your Videos, Threads, Posts, and Ministry.
Believe it.
 
Last edited:

Episkopos

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2011
14,004
21,589
113
66
Montreal
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
You have to become this..

"The righteousness of GOD..........IN CHRIST"...........that you denied, when you said....more than once...= """God does not offer/provide His Righteousness..""""

And yet, if the sinner is not forgiven and then provided GOD's Righteousness, then the person has not been forgiven, is not born again, and will not go to heaven.

Your bizarre theology, that isn't connected to any Mainline Denomination... NONE OF THEM.. .is extremely Toxic to Christians, and even more harmful, to someone who is only water baptized and religious, and not truly Born again.
You are on a forum, that allows what you do. and that is why you continue.
And, Thats a fact, proven by your Videos, Threads, Posts, and Ministry.
Believe it.
(Notice how the word "holiness" is still avoided like the plague by this poster) All you want is a forgiveness without holiness. We'll see how that works out for you.
 

Eternally Grateful

Well-Known Member
Feb 27, 2020
18,526
9,892
113
59
Columbus, ohio
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
We are not to focus on others, but to focus on Christ and love others as we love ourselves. Christ is to guide us in our relationship with others, how much time to give them, what to say to them, whether to break contact with them.

With our total focus on Christ, we have zero desire to sin.
lol. You can’t love others without focusing on them

We love others more than self not as. God loves us we we depend on him to take care of us. And we take that excess live and focus on giving it to others

This is what seeking after the things of the spirit looks like. Or as Jesus said the law of love where we love even our enemies
 

Hepzibah

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2012
1,377
1,034
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
lol. You can’t love others without focusing on them

We love others more than self not as. God loves us we we depend on him to take care of us. And we take that excess live and focus on giving it to others

This is what seeking after the things of the spirit looks like. Or as Jesus said the law of love where we love even our enemies
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat.32:29

Thou knowest not the scriptures. True love has no bounds or limits. We can love God 100% yet still love our neighbour as ourselves. You are speaking in worldly terms where we can only spare a certain amount. Walking in the Spirit is not comparable to anything earthly. It has to be experienced to understand how that can be.
 

Eternally Grateful

Well-Known Member
Feb 27, 2020
18,526
9,892
113
59
Columbus, ohio
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mat.32:29

Thou knowest not the scriptures. True love has no bounds or limits. We can love God 100% yet still love our neighbour as ourselves. You are speaking in worldly terms where we can only spare a certain amount. Walking in the Spirit is not comparable to anything earthly. It has to be experienced to understand how that can be.
Who is thy neighbor?

I am sorry I do not love myself. I do all I can to
Put the needs of others above my own. Just like Jesus did. You can’t say your like Jesus when you do not out the needs of others above your own needs.
 

Ritajanice

Born-Again
Mar 9, 2023
13,130
7,456
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
You can’t love anyone, without God loving us first...whose love is it that we love others by....?

What good is human love, without first knowing Gods love in our heart/ spirit....the Holy Spirit softens our hearts to love....you can’t love anyone without the Spirit.

He does the loving through us....he’s in control...we’re his spirit children..
 

Hepzibah

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2012
1,377
1,034
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
Put the needs of others above my own. Just like Jesus did.
Jesus only did that when commanded by the Father. He would often escape the crowd to be on His own. Loving oneself is a command. if we cannot obey then there is something wrong with us spiritually and we need help.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Azim

Behold

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2020
20,322
8,124
113
Netanya or Pensacola
Faith
Christian
Country
Israel
(Notice how the word "holiness" is still avoided like the plague by this poster)

What is being 'avoided" is you admitting that Jesus has died for your sin, so that you can be "forgiven".

And you should avoid this, and talk about "everything else"... as you have denied that the Cross is about "FORGIVENESS">.

So, now that you've committed that blasphemy.... you can't now say that you sin is forgiven, as you have denied The Cross.

That's your "theology".

So, if The Cross, and Jesus on it, has not forgiven your sin, then who did?
You?

"oh behold, i didnt mean that i am not forgiven, when i said that The Cross is not about Forgiveness".

A.) Right

AA.) Uh huh

And now you want to "damage control" and about 5 posts from now say....>>"well of course my sin is forgiven".. .and then, i'll quote you, where you say that '"the Cross is not about Forgiveness".......and then i'll ask you, "how were you forgiven", as you have denied that Jesus did it, on the Cross.
And then your lying will try to do more of it.

But here is the thing.
Eventually the Mods are going to realize you, as some of the other Christians on this Forum have realized you, years ago. @Episkopos
 

Ritajanice

Born-Again
Mar 9, 2023
13,130
7,456
113
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Country
United Kingdom
If one doesn’t love oneself, then they can’t love their neighbours.

Matthew 22:39​


“And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself



1 John 4
Berean Standard BiblePar ▾
Testing the Spirits
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesusa is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and which is already in the world at this time.
4You, little children, are from God and have overcome them, because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world’s perspective, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spiritb of truth and the spirit of deception.
Love Comes from God
7Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
9This is how God’s love was revealed among us: God sent His one and onlyc Son into the world, so that we might live through Him. 10And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrificedfor our sins.
11Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God remains in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.
15If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him.
18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We loveebecause He first loved us.
20If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well.
 
Last edited:

Lizbeth

Well-Known Member
Jul 22, 2022
4,379
5,827
113
67
Ontario, Canada
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
Wrong--

Is Holiness a "Place"?
In both Hebrew and Greek, the concept of holiness is not inherently a "place," but rather a state of being or a quality that can be attributed to places, objects, people, and God Himself. However, holiness can be associated with specific places that are set apart for divine purposes.

FROM or going--are you on a par with our brother Paul?

Just read Romans 8 and you have your answer. No need for foreign, worldly terminologies.

Rom 8:1 Set Free from the Law of Sin and Death
¶ Consequently, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what was impossible for the law, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did . By [*Here “by ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“sending”) which is understood as means] sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4 in order that the requirement of the law would be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For those who are living according to the flesh are intent on the things of the flesh, but those who are living according to the Spirit are intent on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For the mindset of the flesh is death, but the mindset of the Spirit is life and peace,
Rom 8:7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so ,
Rom 8:8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

Rom 8:9 ¶ But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him [Literally “is not of him”].
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 And if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, the one who raised Christ Jesus [Some manuscripts omit “Jesus”] from the dead will also make alive your mortal bodies through his Spirit who lives in you.

Heirs with Christ
Rom 8:12 ¶ So then, brothers, we are obligated not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14 For all those who are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, “Abba! [“Abba” means “father” in Aramaic] Father!”
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself confirms to our spirit that we are children of God,
Rom 8:17 and if children, also heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer together with him so that we may also be glorified together with him .

Future Glory
Rom 8:18 The Glory that is to be Revealed
¶ For I consider that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us.
Rom 8:19 For the eagerly expecting creation awaits eagerly the revelation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creation has been subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the one who subjected it , in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its servility to decay, into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans together and suffers agony together until now.
Rom 8:23 Not only this , but we ourselves also, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves while we [*Here “while ” is supplied as a component of the participle (“await eagerly”) which is understood as temporal] await eagerly our adoption, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For in hope we were saved, but hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we await it eagerly with patient endurance.

Rom 8:26 ¶ And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings.
Rom 8:27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is , because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, for those who are called according to his purpose,
Rom 8:29 because those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he should be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined, these he also called, and those whom he called, these he also justified, and those whom he justified, these he also glorified.

God's Everlasting Love
Rom 8:31 Victory in Christ
¶ What then shall we say about these things ? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things ?
Rom 8:33 Who will bring charges against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies.
Rom 8:34 Who is the one who condemns? Christ [Some manuscripts have “Christ Jesus”] is the one who died, and more than that, who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Rom 8:35 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will affliction or distress or persecution or hunger or lack of sufficient clothing or danger or the sword?
Rom 8:36 Just as it is written,
“On account of you we are being put to death the whole day long ;
we are considered as sheep for slaughter.” [A quotation from Ps 44:22]

Rom 8:37 ¶ No , but in all these things we prevail completely through the one who loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Amen. Epi has on one or two rare occasions acknowledged that he is talking about walking in the spirit....but only when pressed. Reliance on extra-biblical terminology (strange fire) is a red flag. Someone is trying to re-invent the wheel that God has already invented....and it robs Him of the glory that is due to Him alone....as well as misses the mark.
 
J

Johann

Guest
Amen. Epi has on one or two rare occasions acknowledged that he is talking about walking in the spirit....but only when pressed. Reliance on extra-biblical terminology (strange fire) is a red flag. Someone is trying to re-invent the wheel that God has already invented....and it robs Him of the glory that is due to Him alone....as well as misses the mark.
I can press him some more but don't have the appetite for "strange fire" @Lizbeth
 
  • Like
Reactions: marks and Lizbeth

Episkopos

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2011
14,004
21,589
113
66
Montreal
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
Amen. Epi has on one or two rare occasions acknowledged that he is talking about walking in the spirit....but only when pressed. Reliance on extra-biblical terminology (strange fire) is a red flag. Someone is trying to re-invent the wheel that God has already invented....and it robs Him of the glory that is due to Him alone....as well as misses the mark.
A novice looks for evil in anything unfamiliar. You want to fight against evil...look within yourself.
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Hepzibah

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
23,234
33,177
113
81
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Indeed all men who are born become sinners but the scriptures tell us to cease sinning. Of course we cannot do that in our own power but the first step is that God reveals to us the truth of the holiness doctrine and He will only do that if we are seeking, hungering and thirsting and knocking.

Mt 5:48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Mr 10:27And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Mt 7:7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mt 7:8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
 

amadeus

Well-Known Member
Jan 26, 2008
23,234
33,177
113
81
Oklahoma
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I wouldn't be so hard on Paul. He uses the same words in different ways...whether "perfect" or "law".

It depends on the context and already understanding what Paul is referring to. As Paul says... God will show you by revelation what it means. (That's how I know)

I'm convinced that trying to understand what Paul is speaking about by ONLY reading the bible...by human logic, surmising, assuming and presuming... without revelation from God...will only set a person on a religious tangent that leads to death. Are we to trust our own understanding? Some will say they understand Paul, and yet there are thousands of denominations that all say the same.

In the above verse it's about a quality of PURITY...being cleansed from ALL sin by an ongoing abiding in Christ. Basically....holiness (that dreaded word among self-righteous proclaimers of a grace without such....therefore false).

People do not go in and out of maturity as they do a holy place. Maturity of the spiritual kind is found in the full stature of Christ. Winning Christ is different...that's to walk in Christ's perfection...in holiness. (there's that hated word again!)

Who is able to express clearly where the Lord will lead us if we simply follow as He leads and as He directs?
Pr 3:5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Pr 3:6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Pr 3:7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
“The Spirit of the Lord will come powerfully upon you, and you will prophesy with them; and you will be changed into a different person. . . . God is with you” 1 Sam 10: 6–7.

The Holy Spirit came upon Saul which can only mean he was baptized in the Spirit and further evidenced when scripture says:

But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 1 Sam 16:14
I understand "the Spirit came upon . . ." such and such person, that this is different from being baptized into Christ and rebirth.

The Spirit came upon Sampson and he did mighty works of strength. The Spirit came upon others at times for various purposes. But then the Holy Spirit left Saul, and I don't believe the born again will ever be absent the Holy Spirit, for He has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you.
But he was not the only one recorded in scripture:

Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him, and He took some of the Spirit that was on Moses and placed that Spirit on the seventy elders. As the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied--but they never did so again. Numbers 11:25

It is clear that Saul disobeyed God and the Spirit left him.
Here again . . . the Holy Spirit on them, but not "in them".

"this includes not only obedient, pure, also free from enslavement, and not scheming"

Yes indeed, one who is able to not sin has been delivered from the claim Satan has on him and he is returned to the state in which man was created.
I personally see our state of regeneration as different from Adam's original state, mainly that he was an innocent man in an uncorrupted body. We are corrupted in corrupted bodies, then being reborn we are righteous and holy in corrupted bodies, then in our resurrection our righteous and holy recreated spirit will live in glorious bodies like Jesus' body, and we will be spiritaully stabilized, if you will, by our inner unity with Christ, unable to sin, it will be beyond our nature, unlike Adam, who had that opportunity. As I see it.

The power of the Holy Spirit alone can do this so that man can walk as He walked.

I will have to give the verse you quote from Hebrew 11 as I have not encountered that in connection with holiness doctrine, and look at a commentary or two but we read on to Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.

So we are told they are examples to us to lay aside the sin which so easily besets us which is repentance. Will get back on this.
Amen, and examples they are!! If they could do what they did without regeneration, I'd better look to myself, and live according to the light I'm given. Where more is given more is required.

Much love!
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Indeed all men who are born become sinners but the scriptures tell us to cease sinning. Of course we cannot do that in our own power but the first step is that God reveals to us the truth of the holiness doctrine and He will only do that if we are seeking, hungering and thirsting and knocking.
Or in my case simply absolutely dejected, and just looking for a word from Him. I don't like to apply rules to God aside from what is written. I've learned from past mistakes, thinking this or that, but He shows me something completely different.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hepzibah

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
@marks

Here is Adam Clarke in his commentary:

Verse 39. Having obtained a good report (having been witnessed to; see Hebrews 11:2) through faith] It was faith in God which supported all those eminent men who, in different parts of the world, and in different ages, were persecuted for righteousness sake.

Received not the promise] They all heard of the promises made to Abraham of a heavenly rest, and of the promise of the Messiah, for this was a constant tradition; but they died without having seen this Anointed of the Lord. Christ was not in any of their times manifested in the flesh; and of him who was the expectation of all nations, they heard only by the hearing of the ear. This must be the promise, without receiving of which the apostle says they died.
Hebrews 11:38Hebrews 11:40
Consider the difference between us and them, that they required ongoing sacrifice, and we are under the once for all sacrifice of Christ. We don't need continued sacrifices because we have been baptized into Christ, His death saves us to the uttermost.

Much love!
 

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Here is Chrysostom

"Do you also consider what a thing it is, and how great, that Abraham should be sitting, and the Apostle Paul, waiting till you have been perfected, that then they may be able to receive their reward. For the Saviour has told them before that unless we also are present, He will not give it them. As an affectionate father might say to sons who were well approved, and had accomplished their work, that he would not give them to eat, unless their brethren came. And are you vexed, that you have not yet received the reward? What then shall Abel do, who was victor before all, and is sitting uncrowned? And what Noah? And what, they who lived in those [early] times: seeing that they wait for you and those after you?

Do you see that we have the advantage of them? For God (he says) has provided some better thing for us. In order that they might not seem to have the advantage of us from being crowned before us, He appointed one time of crowning for all; and he that gained the victory so many years before, receives his crown with you. Do you see His tender carefulness?

And he did not say, that they without us might not be crowned, but that they without us might not be made perfect; so that at that time they appear perfect also. They were before us as regards the conflicts, but are not before us as regards the crowns. He wronged not them, but He honored us. For they also wait for the brethren. For if we are all one body, the pleasure becomes greater to this body, when it is crowned altogether, and not part by part. For the righteous are also worthy of admiration in this, that they rejoice in the welfare of their brethren, as in their own. So that for themselves also, this is according to their wish, to be crowned along with their own members. To be glorified all together, is a great delight."

So he is saying that we will all receive the crown together.
I want you to know I'm reading all of these and giving my consideration.

Much love!
 
  • Love
Reactions: Hepzibah

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Yep

But you still do not focus on others 24/7. I have never met a soul who has done this and do not expect to until I get to heaven with my glorified brothers and sisters

But if you want to focus on self. Feel free (that’s in affect what your doing when you claim you are sinless)
I'd give this some more thought. I can testify myself that God can empower to walk without any known sin, 24/7, in the Spirit, serving others in love. And it's not a focus on self, not at all. It's something He is perfectly able to do, and for His own reasons, sometimes does, and sometimes doesn't.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hepzibah and Azim

marks

Well-Known Member
Oct 10, 2018
36,679
24,015
113
SoCal USA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Jesus only did that when commanded by the Father. He would often escape the crowd to be on His own. Loving oneself is a command. if we cannot obey then there is something wrong with us spiritually and we need help.
Everyone loves themself, except certain mentally ill. That's always assumed in the Bible, that we love ourselves. But taking care of ourselves is necessary so we can fit for use.

Much love!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hepzibah