Spiritual Warfare

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL I'm reminded of a scene in Lord of the Rings where the man playing Wormtongue insults the prince of Rohan calling him the "warmonger".

Keep playing your role. It's amusing.

I am just doing to you what your doing to everyone else..

But I am also calling it straight.. They mocked Jesus too. so I am in good company

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks to all for playing a very life-like role in displaying what spiritual warfare might look like. Special notice goes to those playing the part of the Pharisees. :)

Your the ONLY ONE here who even has any resemblance to acting like a pharisee.

Maybe try to pick up your bible for once, and read about them, and you will see yourself in them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly, yes, many of us here have been seeing that this is how Epi operates all the time. To the point where I have literally wondered if he has had formal training in it.......gas-lighting, twisting one's words back against them, deflecting, distracting, accusing, evading, faking, ducking and dodging, and throwing punches - real fancy footwork you could say, lol. Times when I've questioned his sincerity too, other times I give him the benefit of the doubt. Well - God knows.

The bible says "let the lame be healed, LEST THEY BE TURNED OUT OF THE WAY." Whatever area(s) of the heart that has been wounded and lamed and needs healing. God is certainly able, not by might, not by power but by His Spirit - but it takes willingness on part of the recipient.....and usually at least some general awareness of the need or lack must be gained in order to begin seeking the Lord for what one has need of.

In other chatrooms, he was called a cult leader. He acted just like one. Even had his "lady friends" that followed him like a hulk.. Just like we see here.

 

[Episkopos]

Ive watched you wallow in your ultra self righteous Theology, for about 4 yrs.
Ive watched you try to sell it, for the same amount of time.
I dont predict any change is coming your way, regarding those two facts.

You are simply unaware of the ground that has been won for the kingdom. In your field it is weeds.....but not in every field.

Its interesting to note that what i teach, comes from Paul, and what i write, is written just before you read it.

Actually it comes from Pauline, his evil twin sister.

They all understand that "God Righteousness" as the Imputed righteousness of Christ, is what is made available by "The Gift of Righteousness".. that God freely gives to anyone who gives God their Faith in Christ.
See, Jesus died for the sinner, so that their sin, now resolved, now forgiven... allows God to impart unto them His Righteousness.

There is not an ounce of holiness in your calculations. The cross is about making a people holy...not forgiven. Only the carnal man is looking for an amnesty from prosecution for ongoing sins.

As you can't be "righteous", as a sinner, unless your sin is resolved,

Unless you are washed FROM your sin...you want a resolution based on an never ending amnesty to sin. You are trying to hyjack the cross for your own evil design.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Are you ready to be honest and desist from your vain religiosity? I know that you won't.

Christ speaking in Paul didn’t say to them accusing him …I know you won’t. Instead, he urged them do what was right. To do no wrong. he didn’t glory in their doing wrong. Cheering “yes. I knew you won’t!”

 

[Episkopos]

Christ speaking in Paul didn’t say to them accusing him …I know you won’t. Instead, he urged them do what was right. To do no wrong. he didn’t glory in their doing wrong. Cheering “yes. I knew you won’t!”

Am I cheering? Why do people read a post and put their own emotional spin on it? I'm actually appalled at the lack of honesty, truth and understanding on the forum.

And how many times does it say in the bible...I would gather you...but you would not! Jesus knew what was in the hearts of men. I have lived long enough to come to the same understanding. I know the futility of the human mind. Now just add religion into the mix. What do you get? Rebellion against God and the truth.

 

[Behold]

You are simply unaware of the ground that has been won for the kingdom.

See, that is one of those obtuse "let me try to sound spiritual" sentences that you will post, that has no meaning.

And as for my walk....?

I walk in the Spirit.

Whose?

A.) "Christ is THAT Spirit"... "God is A Spirit"......and i "walk" there, as "the Righteousness of God, IN Christ".

Actually it comes from Pauline, his evil twin sister.

How can you not mock Paul?
Its your ministry, other then to insult real CHRISTians on the Forum, while the mods sit there and allow it.

There is not an ounce of holiness in your calculations. The cross is about making a people holy...not forgiven.

Unforgiven sin, is why a person has no spiritual union with God as '""in Christ"

If your sin is never forgiven by Christ's Sacrifice on The Cross, then Jesus says.....>"You'll die in you sins".

.you want a resolution based on an never ending amnesty to sin.

Do you own a dictionary?
Do you comprehend the word "ETERNAL"?
Is this an unfamiliar word, regarding Canadians?

(Eternal means, never ending) = (Forever).

Notice.. "Jesus is the ONE TIME..... ETERNAL Sacrifice ... FOR SIN".

And a heretic says.. ."ummm, no... as His sacrifice is only until you confess your sin, 5678077 more times, and also.. its only for the sins, you committed before you are saved"...


And the heretic is shown.. ," Jesus is the one time...ETERNAL = Sacrifice for sin".. and the Heretic, begins to feel uncomfortable, and they should, as they have no understanding of the Cross of Christ, and neither does their Cult

 

[marks]

To the point where I have literally wondered if he has had formal training in it......

I've seen this same behavior from him for over 10 years. Practice makes perfect, as they say. So this runs deep. Yes, I think we are seeing an example of spiritual warfare, using every means possible to topple the Christians from standing in God's grace.

That's the real issue here. His teaching is that we - Christians - have to be obedient enough to be considered righteous enough to be be saints, or at least to be among the nations of the saved, and to avoid outer darkness. And that turns one to look at themself instead of Christ. There is the heart of the matter. He claims to point to Christ, but is really pointing to works, which is pointing to self. And he denies God's forgiveness of sins, that if you want to be considered righteous, you have to stop the sins, and do righteousness.

Which is to say that Christ's righteousness counts nothing for us, as if we were not recreated in Him. We are righteous and holy in the new man because of Christ, not because we've worked so hard to make ourselves righteous. We are working out what He is working in.

But we are not out for our own righteousness which is by the law (works), we seek the righteousness of God that is by faith.

Philippians 3:8-11 KJV
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

For those who take themselves Oh so seriously and think that those who speak the truth should do likewise.

1. I would do much to distance myself from the self-interested ones.
2.King David acted the fool at times...whether dancing naked or pretending to be crazy before the Philistines...and yet people still read the Psalms! ;)

 

[Lizbeth]

It seems to me, that here is some confusion going on here. Allow me to give an attempt to clarify things.

There are two issues where there is a dispute:

1) what is known as holiness doctrine or entire sanctification.

This is a historical dispute amongst those who deny that the scripture says that a further work of grace is needed to attain the deeper, higher experience of serving God in His strength alone and who say that hey have everything needed once they turn to Christ.

History is not short of believers who have stood by this even the early church taught it as Theosis. The believers in it all say that they came to a point when previously they were happy with the state they were on, but circumstances revealed that they were indeed not as they hoped. For an example we look at John Wesley who found out on a sail to America, that his faith was very weak compared with the Moravians and so he began to seek deeper and discovered the teaching on entire sanctification which was the start of huge revivals, as it always does.

So perhaps some of you have not reached that state of faith crisis yet. You have a huge body of the church that disagrees with you that there is nothing more. Even more so if you deny that the early church theologians knew what hey were talking about.

So this debate has gone on in the west since the 17th century and will not be solved here.

The problems is that what John is teaching, that is to say, that the unsaved can be saved as righteous people, has never been taught before as far as I know and he is not coming forth with any evidence of that. I have been reading from the Holiness Movement since 1990, intensively and have never seen it, nor from the early church.

It looks like he is confused with dispensationalism that denies that OT people were actually saved, whereas the cross stands in the center of creation and applies to all time, that faith in Christ saves us, not works.

John has not laid out his theological system or will probably say he has none to hide the inconsistencies.

2) The second issue is John's behaviour towards those who will not accept him on one or both of the issues.

In my opinion he is not acting like he has at one time walked in the way he is preaching otherwise he would have a better functioning conscience on what is kindness and love towards others.

To me, he is acting like a cult member. Which cult I have no idea.

I have been amenable all along to holiness....as long as it is not being wrongly presented in a carnal minded way. The topic of holiness is what drew me here. But then found out what other things Epi believes in.......he also denies Romans 4 imputed righteousness. But God has been faithful to answer my seeking and trying to get to the bottom of things here....as usual in an unexpected way. MIXTURE IS NOT OF GOD, IT IS OF ANOTHER SPIRIT. It's the good parts of the mixture that is deceptive and serves to draw one to the evil. That's all I need to know for my sake.

 

[Episkopos]

See, that is one of those obtuse "let me try to sound spiritual" sentences that you will post, that has no meaning.

And as for my walk....?

I walk in the Spirit.

Whose?

A.) "Christ is THAT Spirit"... "God is A Spirit"......and i "walk" there, as "the Righteousness of God, IN Christ".

LOL I thought you were going to say...Paul's.... I walk in Paul's spirit. Wouldn't it be easier to think one was walking in a human spirit than a divine one?

How can you not mock Paul?
Its your ministry, other then to insult real CHRISTians on the Forum, while the mods sit there and allow it.

It is you false presumptions that bring the humour. I do have a sense of humour. I don't yhink the religious ones here know how funny they sound.

Unforgiven sin, is why a person has no spiritual union with God as '""in Christ"

If your sin is never forgiven by Christ's Sacrifice on The Cross, then Jesus says.....>"You'll die in you sins".

The difference between dying in one's sins and being union with God is not about forgiveness. Forgiveness is for the lost. Cleansing from all sin is for God's people.

Do you own a dictionary?
Do you comprehend the word "ETERNAL"?

(This means, never ending) = (Forever).

Notice.. "Jesus is the ONE TIME..... ETERNAL Sacrifice ... FOR SIN".

And a heretic says.. ."ummm, no... as His sacrifice is only until you confess your sin, 5678077 more times, and also.. its only for the sins, you committed before you are saved"...


And the heretic is shown.. ," Jesus is the one time...ETERNAL = Sacrifice for sin".. and the Heretic, begins to feel uncomfortable, and they should, as they have no understanding of the Cross of Christ, and neither does their Cult

Learn what Jesus was sacrificed for. And by whom?

 

[Hepzibah]

MIXTURE IS NOT OF GOD, IT IS OF ANOTHER SPIRIT. It's the good parts of the mixture that is deceptive and serves to draw one to the evil. That's all I need to know for my sake.

Amen.

 

[Episkopos]

I have been amenable all along to holiness....as long as it is not being wrongly presented in a carnal minded way. The topic of holiness is what drew me here. But then found out what other things Epi believes in.......he also denies Romans 4 imputed righteousness. But God has been faithful to answer my seeking and trying to get to the bottom of things here....as usual in an unexpected way. MIXTURE IS NOT OF GOD, IT IS OF ANOTHER SPIRIT. It's the good parts of the mixture that is deceptive and serves to draw one to the evil. That's all I need to know for my sake.

Mixture is what the religious system does. It's important to keep the lower walk and higher walk distinct...otherwise there is mixture. Holiness doesn't mix with anything. The New Covenant is based on.......holiness.

 

[marks]

Christ speaking in Paul didn’t say to them accusing him …I know you won’t. Instead, he urged them do what was right. To do no wrong. he didn’t glory in their doing wrong. Cheering “yes. I knew you won’t!”

Paul compared himself to a nursing mother.

I've always remembered one member being needled mercilessly for days on one of these threads, and then finally he wrote something out of his frustration. And the reply was, "Ah, there you are! The real you!" Needle, and taunt, and accuse, until finally . . . pounce! This has not changed.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For those who take themselves Oh so seriously and think that those who speak the truth should do likewise.

1. I would do much to distance myself from the self-interested ones.
2.King David acted the fool at times...whether dancing naked or pretending to be crazy before the Philistines...and yet people still read the Psalms! ;)

so your going to distance yourself from yourself. Tell me how that works out.

 

[marks]

I think your entire post very well stated!

On this part . . .

It looks like he is confused with dispensationalism that denies that OT people were actually saved, whereas the cross stands in the center of creation and applies to all time, that faith in Christ saves us, not works.

As a dispensationalist (not nec. in the same way others may be), OT faithful were most certainly saved, having their sins covered by sacrifices according to the Law. They were not regenerated as we are, as Christ had not yet died and risen, though in their resurrection we will all share in the full redemption, body soul and spirit.

What makes me dispensational is recognizing that God saves us as we believe His message to us. For Abraham, it was, You will have innumerable descendants, though now you are childless. For us, the message is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and in Him we can have life. Different messages, different means of dispensing God's saving grace to us, but the same God, the same faith, and the same grace.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

I think your entire post very well stated!

On this part . . .

As a dispensationalist (not nec. in the same way others may be), OT faithful were most certainly saved, having their sins covered by sacrifices according to the Law. They were not regenerated as we are, as Christ had not yet died and risen, though in their resurrection we will all share in the full redemption, body soul and spirit.

What makes me dispensational is recognizing that God saves us as we believe His message to us. For Abraham, it was, You will have innumerable descendants, though now you are childless. For us, the message is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and in Him we can have life. Different messages, different means of dispensing God's saving grace to us, but the same God, the same faith, and the same grace.

Much love!

marks, there were men in the OT who were called perfect like Job which to me says they were entirely sanctified because the two laws from the two trees in Eden have stood since the beginning, and they operated in the tree of life. The law of sin and death and the law of life since the beginning.

 

[marks]

marks, there were men in the OT who were called perfect like Job which to me says they were entirely sanctified because the two laws from the two trees in Eden have stood since the beginning, and they operated in the tree of life. The law of sin and death and the law of life since the beginning.

I understand the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus to be operative because we've been baptized into Christ, and so now His Spirit gives us life that we don't have otherwise.

I know both Ezekiel and Jeremiah prophesied of what seems like regeneration as something future, I will take out your heart of stone, and give you a heart of flesh, like that.

I'm only aware of one place in the Old Testament where it says God gave someone a new heart, and that was King Saul, of all people! Not Daniel, or Job, or Abraham.

I'm not questioning their righteousness, only, when rebirth started, which I believe waited until Jesus rose from the grave.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

marks, there were men in the OT who were called perfect like Job which to me says they were entirely sanctified because the two laws from the two trees in Eden have stood since the beginning, and they operated in the tree of life. The law of sin and death and the law of life since the beginning.

I do not think they were perfect. Mature would have been a better word.. no one is perfect

 

[Azim]

I do not think they were perfect. Mature would have been a better word.. no one is perfect

What do you make of Jesus' statement from Matthew 5:48?
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."