Spiritual Warfare

[Eternally Grateful]

Faux concerns...and grandstanding. I'm the one bringing the warnings. You should pray for yourselves.

Your not bringing me a warning, You just told me you will get to heaven based on how good you were. Your trying to justify yourself.

You have nothing at all to offer me but at best a false hope and alot of self righteousness.

No thank you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lizabeth, I don’t know who to believe anymore. What I see is epi claiming he has entered the second heaven and waiting to enter the third. (Maybe self denial, maybe true, I don’t know) He claims he is doing all this for our good. To get us to wake up is why he is harsh on you. To get others to open blind eyes. Then you and EG and Marks and others are wanting to help epi wake up and to not be blind. It reminds me so much of the passage where Paul spoke to the Corinthians and they called him reprobate and how they wanted the proof Christ spoke in Paul. Which Paul gives. It reminds me of two brothers where both think they are right …where both claim they are enduring hardness of heart as a good soldier of Christ. The topic of this thread is about our weapons are not carnal but Spiritual and mighty for the pulling down of strongholds. One of you(I mean which side is right and fights with the Lord?) is enduring hardness of heart. (Imo) it fits perfectly to me of two brothers at odds. Right here, right now “the battle”. Again…see Paul steadfastness, unshakable, in the face of accusations and when threatened Paul does as Christ instructed and threatens not again, instead Paul as Christ endures the hardness of the ground …when Paul says he trust they will see and know they are those who fail not(it’s not the flesh he trust but God who promised). To me it’s not what Paul sees by sight but waits for by Faith, trusting whom promised “I am able.” Epi to me is right about one thing…it is God that justifies …when two are at odds and both say they are right and Christ speaks in them yet one is hardened ground. god knows the hearts and which is hardened ground. It’s only by the power of God …Paul spoke before it happened of good things for them (who accused them) and when those things were fulfilled (come to be made manifest) through the power of God there is “rejoicing”
2 Corinthians 7:13-14 Therefore we are comforted. And besides our own comfort, we rejoiced still more at the joy of Titus, because his spirit has been refreshed by you all. [14] For whatever boasts I made to him about you, I was not put to shame. But just as everything we said to you was true, so also our boasting before Titus has proved true.

This is why I said that passage means a lot to me for instruction on enduring hardness …and waiting and patience and Faith in Him who promised and has entered in before you. I can read it. But I haven’t seen it in real life outside of a book called the bible. I long to see it…the stand fast and He will come and deliver you from your enemies because God is able to make your enemies brothers thereby reconciliation of the body through Christ that He be made whole.

if someone says they have entered any heaven by how good they are. then you need to run from them, far away from them. Because they are led astray and trying to take others with them.

By our own deeds (how good we are) if we would even attempt to walk to the presence of God. we would be struck dead where we stand, And in the end, when we stand in front of him on judgment day, we will be cast out into outer darkness.

There is only one who is Good.. That was Jesus. No one else even comes close..

 

[Episkopos]

Lizabeth, I don’t know who to believe anymore. What I see is epi claiming he has entered the second heaven and waiting to enter the third. (Maybe self denial, maybe true, I don’t know) He claims he is doing all this for our good. To get us to wake up is why he is harsh on you. To get others to open blind eyes. Then you and EG and Marks and others are wanting to help epi wake up and to not be blind. It reminds me so much of the passage where Paul spoke to the Corinthians and they called him reprobate and how they wanted the proof Christ spoke in Paul. Which Paul gives. Saying they(who don’t see still persecuting the body) will know they (by Faith) do not fail, which is for their profit when those (by Faith in Christ) do not fail to open their eyes which are blind, when they do not fail to raise up the dead unto Life. (This we hope, and pray even for your perfection.)

It reminds me of two brothers where both think they are right …where both claim they are enduring hardness of heart as a good soldier of Christ. The topic of this thread is about our weapons are not carnal but Spiritual and mighty for the pulling down of strongholds. One of you(I mean which side is right and fights with the Lord?) is enduring hardness of heart. (Imo) it fits perfectly to me of two brothers at odds. Right here, right now “the battle”. Again…see Paul steadfastness, unshakable, in the face of accusations and when threatened Paul does as Christ instructed and threatens not again, instead Paul as Christ endures the hardness of the ground …when Paul says he trust they will see and know they are those who fail not(it’s not the flesh he trust but God who promised). To me it’s not what Paul sees by sight but waits for by Faith, trusting whom promised “I am able.” Epi to me is right about one thing…it is God that justifies …when two are at odds and both say they are right and Christ speaks in them yet one is hardened ground. god knows the hearts and which is hardened ground. It’s only by the power of God …Paul spoke before it happened of good things for them (who accused them) and when those things were fulfilled (come to be made manifest) through the power of God there is “rejoicing”
2 Corinthians 7:13-14 Therefore we are comforted. And besides our own comfort, we rejoiced still more at the joy of Titus, because his spirit has been refreshed by you all. [14] For whatever boasts I made to him about you, I was not put to shame. But just as everything we said to you was true, so also our boasting before Titus has proved true.

This is why I said that passage means a lot to me for instruction on enduring hardness …and waiting and patience and Faith in Him who promised and has entered in before you. I can read it. But I haven’t seen it in real life outside of a book called the bible. I long to see it…the stand fast and He will come and deliver you from your enemies because God is able to make your enemies brothers thereby reconciliation of the body through Christ that He be made whole.

Those who have hardened their hearts against the truth are those who have believed a great lie...by justifying themselves with a false understanding of the gospel. Anybody who tries to dislodge their trust in the lie and their false understanding of justification and righteousness, is seen as the one who is reprobate.

I marvel at God's wisdom...catching the ones who refuse faith but rather rely on beliefs and their own understanding.

God resists the proud. As long as these proud ones persist in their religious hubris no amount of prayers will suffice to dislodge them from their tight grasp on the lie. God says...I will not hear their prayers. God resists the proud.

And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even the whole seed of Ephraim.
16 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee. Jer. 7:15,16

 

[VictoryinJesus]

if someone says they have entered any heaven by how good they are. then you need to run from them, far away from them. Because they are led astray and trying to take others with them.

By our own deeds (how good we are) if we would even attempt to walk to the presence of God. we would be struck dead where we stand, And in the end, when we stand in front of him on judgment day, we will be cast out into outer darkness.

There is only one who is Good.. That was Jesus. No one else even comes close..

It concerns me that you missed the whole point going right back in to justifying why you are right. All I meant was for the sake of whoever is wrong and whoever is right …I’m reminded it is God who decides and how there has to be truth in 2 Corinthians 10:4-8
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; [6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. [7] Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. [8] For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

I’m not going to pick sides (because I don’t even know) but I do long to see God enter into the hardened ground.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those who have hardened their hearts against the truth are those who have believed a great lie...by justifying themselves

No one can justify themselves.

Although in your preaching, you appear to do this, by saying you are justified in how good you are.

So why do you keep attributing to other people what you do

@VictoryinJesus Please see this for what it is.. a feeble attempt to try to justify his own unbelief. and bring you down with him

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It concerns me that you missed the whole point going right back in to justifying why you are right. All I meant was for the sake of whoever is wrong and whoever is right …I’m reminded it is God who decides and how there has to be truth in 2 Corinthians 10:4-8
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; [6] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled. [7] Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. [8] For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

I’m not going to pick sides (because I don’t even know) but I do long to see God enter into the hardened ground.

I guess I see what your saying, Just know I am not trying to justify I am right, I am just trying to state a fact. And I do not want you to pick sides. I want you to pick the truth.

its not about me..

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God resists the proud. As long as these proud ones persist in their religious hubris no amount of prayers will suffice to dislodge them from their tight grasp on the lie. God says...I will not hear their prayers. God resists the proud.

Saul ——Paul.

 

[Episkopos]

Lizabeth, I don’t know who to believe anymore. What I see is epi claiming he has entered the second heaven and waiting to enter the third. (Maybe self denial, maybe true, I don’t know)

I thought I'd go over this in more detail. What I said was that I was twice translated into the higher walk...the kingdom walk in a perpetual victory over sin and the world and the devil. In a supernatural place...in Zion...in heaven. To walk as Jesus walked..with a covering of God's righteousness as an anointing. Walking IN Christ.

What I didn't mention was anything about a second heaven or third heaven.

He claims he is doing all this for our good.

Absolutely. I know how obstinate the carnal religious person can be...but I am trying to show others the nature of the spiritual war. It just so happens that people here are taking on the role of those who appose the truth. You would have to ask them if they are just putting on an act or not. I know that the act they are putting on goes far beyond the limits of this forum.

To get us to wake up is why he is harsh on you. To get others to open blind eyes.

You never know what planting a seed will do. The increase is from God.
The Lord knows those who are His.
:)

 

[Episkopos]

so your justifed by how good you are. so I was right?

I thought you said you could both read and comprehend?

I have only said this hundreds of times...It is God who justifies

You went to heaven, when and how?

Are you new to the forum? I have only related this dozens of times. Look up my videos for some testimony of the higher walk in the Spirit.

Honesty AND reading skills are in such short supply. Could it be the result of having too much righteousness "imputed" to people?

Or is it blindness and a stiff-necked obstinacy that is actually being imputed to some here?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

He has twice already. I'm awaiting the apprehension of God INTO Christ the 3rd time. (I hope you are not referring to an afterlife here) I know this will strike you as bizzare.

I thought I'd go over this in more detail. What I said was that I was twice translated into the higher walk...the kingdom walk in a perpetual victory over sin and the world and the devil. In a supernatural place...in Zion...in heaven. To walk as Jesus walked..with a co vering of God's righteousness as an anointing. Walking IN Christ.

What I didn't mention was anything about a second heaven or third heaven.

EG asked you about why God would allow you in heaven…which your reply is above. “he has twice already” which was in reply to why God would allow you into heaven. Then, “I'm awaiting the apprehension of God INTO Christ the 3rd time.” ….I get you may say it was a play on words. But regardless don’t say…or twist… “I never said that.”

Absolutely. I know how obstinate the carnal religious person can be...but I am trying to show others the nature of the spiritual war. It just so happens that people here are taking on the role of those who appose the truth. You would have to ask them if they are just putting on an a ct or not. I know that the act they are putting on goes far beyond the limits of this forum.

See…you give me lessons on how God resist the hard ground and how he can’t endure hard ground and won’t enter in…but then say the opposite or claim the opposite in what you say as the frontier of —I’m trying to enter this hard ground around here. It takes hoeing and breaking up the clogs with a sledgehammer …dang the ground is that hard up in here. ? Which is it? Why do you bother when you say God resist hardened ground? Then what is “endure hardness as a good soldier of Christ” “fight the good fight” “we fight not for your destruction but for your edification”? What does that all mean then? Why
1 Corinthians 15:27-34 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. [29] Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? [30] And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. [32] If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. [33] Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. [34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

You never know what planting a seed will do. The increase is from God.

Again….you say you are planting seed. Enduring hard ground to plant the seed. Yet come back with why God doesn’t do that???

 

[Lizbeth]

Lizabeth, I don’t know who to believe anymore. What I see is epi claiming he has entered the second heaven and waiting to enter the third. (Maybe self denial, maybe true, I don’t know) He claims he is doing all this for our good. To get us to wake up is why he is harsh on you. To get others to open blind eyes. Then you and EG and Marks and others are wanting to help epi wake up and to not be blind. It reminds me so much of the passage where Paul spoke to the Corinthians and they called him reprobate and how they wanted the proof Christ spoke in Paul. Which Paul gives. Saying they(who don’t see still persecuting the body) will know they (by Faith) do not fail, which is for their profit when those (by Faith in Christ) do not fail to open their eyes which are blind, when they do not fail to raise up the dead unto Life. (This we hope, and pray even for your perfection.)

It reminds me of two brothers where both think they are right …where both claim they are enduring hardness of heart as a good soldier of Christ. Look at what’s happening here: it is two, both at odds claiming to endure hardness for profit in hope of entering in.) The topic of this thread is about our weapons are not carnal but Spiritual and mighty for the pulling down of strongholds. One of you(I mean which side is right and fights with the Lord?) is enduring hardness of heart. (Imo) it fits perfectly to me of two brothers at odds. Right here, right now “the battle”. Again…see Paul steadfastness, unshakable, in the face of accusations and when threatened Paul does as Christ instructed and threatens not again, instead Paul as Christ endures the hardness of the ground …when Paul says he trust they will see and know they are those who fail not(it’s not the flesh he trust but God who promised). To me it’s not what Paul sees by sight but waits for by Faith, trusting whom promised “I am able.” Epi to me is right about one thing…it is God that justifies …when two are at odds and both say they are right and Christ speaks in them yet one is hardened ground. God knows the hearts and which is hardened ground. Even when the hardened ground say “it is not I”. It’s only by the power of God …Paul spoke before it happened of good things for them (who accused them) and when those things were fulfilled (come to be made manifest) through the power of God there is “rejoicing”
2 Corinthians 7:13-14 Therefore we are comforted. And besides our own comfort, we rejoiced still more at the joy of Titus, because his spirit has been refreshed by you all. [14] For whatever boasts I made to him about you, I was not put to shame. But just as everything we said to you was true, so also our boasting before Titus has proved true.

This is why I said that passage means a lot to me for instruction on enduring hardness …and waiting and patience and Faith in Him who promised and has entered in before you. I can read it. But I haven’t seen it in real life outside of a book called the bible. I long to see it…the stand fast and He will come and deliver you from your enemies because God is able to make your enemies brothers thereby reconciliation of the body through Christ that He be made whole.

The reason so much of Epi's doctrine is unsettling and disorienting is because it contradicts the word of God. His gospel unfortunately is no gospel at all. We need to just stick with the word of God and shut out other voices. Just compare for example what Epi says versus scripture:

Rom 3:9-31

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Destruction and misery are in their ways:

And the way of peace have they not known:

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO FLESH be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a PROPITIATION THROUGH FAITH in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and THE JUSTIFIER OF HIM WHICH BELIEVETH IN JESUS.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision BY FAITH, and uncircumcision THROUGH FAITH.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



Rom 8:33-34

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Epi says some lost will be saved based on their own righteousness. That directly contradicts the above word....NO FLESH can be justified by deeds of the law (good works, own righteousness). Justification is only by FAITH. Jesus being propitiation for sins is only by faith.

He cites the above Rom 8 verse saying it is God that justifieth........but ignores the context.

Also.....we need to look at the fruits.. And judge the doctrine by this word:

Jas 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without variance, without hypocrisy.

When I read the above scriptures in Romans I have so much peace and it is easy to be entreated (ie, not confusing or complicated, it's easy on the brain and heart) but when I listen to Epi it is confusing and troubling, I have no peace with it at all, no witness of the Spirit with much of it.....and again, are the fruits good? Is there gentleness here? Mercy? Good fruits? or variance. How is his doctrine profiting him? He has some truth, but the rest is a mass of confusion that denies God's word. And the Lord taught me to treat mixture as being not of Him, period. So I believe and obey what the Lord taught me with that....and have to discard the whole package here. But it's fine, the Lord is our Teacher and able Shepherd of our soul.

 

[Behold]

Reader,


"The Gospel of the Grace of God"... was given to Paul, by Jesus.

This Gospel, is : "Grace through Faith"... "Justification by Faith" alone, based on the Finished Work of Jesus on the Cross.

And.....From the Cross,.... Before Jesus died, He said....>>"It is Finished/Accomplished".. and that which is finished is God's Salvation that is found "in Christ".

This is "the Gift of Salvation", and "The Gift of Righteousness" that has been made available by Christ's shed Blood, Death, and Resurrection".

To receive God's Salvation, that is to have all you sin forgiven, and then given the New Birth by God's Spirit........... Paul teaches as This Gospel., is by "faith"...and here is the Gospel....

A.) "The Preaching of the Cross....is the POWER OF GOD.....unto Salvation, to Everyone (anyone) who BELIEVES".

So, when we Give God our Faith in Christ.......God accepts our Faith, and Justifies us based on this...

AA.) "God hath Made Jesus, to be sin for us", as "The one time, eternal Sacrifice for sin".

Reader, When we Trust in Christ, then God accepts our faith.....= as our "Faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".

What happens then?
God takes the Blood and Death of JESUS, that is the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, that is the "Gospel", or "the preaching of the Cross"... and God forgives all your sin by this SACRIFICE OF CHRIST..... , and now.... being "made free from sin".. God who is "A Spirit" joins Himself to the BELIEVER, in Spiritual Union, and they now become "born again"".. as a "new Creation in Christ".

Welcome To : Salvation.

Its : "The Gift of Salvation"... "The GIFT of Righteousness", and "The Gift of Eternal Life".

Reader,
any other teaching on Salvation, and any other Gospel.. that that one, which is Pauls'.. .is "cursed"... and the person is under it.

 

[Lizbeth]

By God recognizing what HE finds as such in me. I don't justify myself. Will you?

In me is no good thing. Apart from Christ in me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I thought you said you could both read and comprehend?

I have only said this hundreds of times...It is God who justifies

Lol if anyone here has a reading problem it is you.

These are your words.

Episkopos said:
By God recognizing what HE finds as such in me. I don't justify myself. Will you?

Your saying you are justified by what God sees in you. IE by what you do.

You contradict yourself. You can not say God justified you. then declair it is done by how Good he sees you to be.

Are you new to the forum? I have only related this dozens of times. Look up my videos for some testimony of the higher walk in the Spirit.

Honesty AND reading skills are in such short supply. Could it be the result of having too much righteousness "imputed" to people?

Or is it blindness and a stiff-necked obstinacy that is actually being imputed to some here?

lol.. Yes I have heard what you have said. I have not seen any evidence or proof you have been to heaven, In fact, I deny it, you would be struck dead where you stand

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The reason so much of Epi's doctrine is unsettling and disorienting is because it contradicts the word of God. His gospel unfortunately is no gospel at all. We need to just stick with the word of God and shut out other voices. Just compare for example what Epi says versus scripture:

Rom 3:9-31

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

Their feet are swift to shed blood:

Destruction and misery are in their ways:

And the way of peace have they not known:

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO FLESH be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a PROPITIATION THROUGH FAITH in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and THE JUSTIFIER OF HIM WHICH BELIEVETH IN JESUS.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision BY FAITH, and uncircumcision THROUGH FAITH.

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



Rom 8:33-34

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


Epi says some lost will be saved based on their own righteousness. That directly contradicts the above word....NO FLESH can be justified by deeds of the law (good works, own righteousness). Justification is only by FAITH. Jesus being propitiation for sins is only by faith.

He cites the above Rom 8 verse saying it is God that justifieth........but ignores the context.

Also.....we need to look at the fruits.. And judge the doctrine by this word:

Jas 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without variance, without hypocrisy.

When I read the above scriptures in Romans I have so much peace and it is easy to be entreated (ie, not confusing or complicated, it's easy on the brain and heart) but when I listen to Epi it is confusing and troubling, I have no peace with it at all, no witness of the Spirit with much of it.....and again, are the fruits good? Is there gentleness here? Mercy? Good fruits? or variance. How is his doctrine profiting him? He has some truth, but the rest is a mass of confusion that denies God's word. And the Lord taught me to treat mixture as being not of Him, period. So I believe and obey what the Lord taught me with that....and have to discard the whole package here. But it's fine, the Lord is our Teacher and able Shepherd of our soul.

Still … I skimmed reading your words. I’ve read the same verses as you. See, I was trying to encourage the prayer …we say the words posting it out on the thread…”please God help him who is blind”. Bowing our heads…saying the prayer but do you have Faith and believe God will give us what we ask for? Or is the prayer just a show of our own goodness to openly pray for one who is sick? It seemed no one was really interested in looking at the scriptures on helping those who accuse you but instead five seconds later it’s why they can’t be helped.

 

[Lizbeth]

Faux concerns...and grandstanding. I'm the one bringing the warnings. You should pray for yourselves.

No, it is discernment. Many witnesses having the same discernment. Simply out of concern for you and completely aside from our disagreements. I hope you will at least bring it to the Lord and ask Him about it.

 

[Lizbeth]

There should a reading skills exam before being allowed to post. You have to try to train your mind to only repeat what you have actually read. Only God justifies.

Only God justifies.

Only God justifies.

Are you justified?

Are you God?

Why are you mocking people for allegedly not reading when you are not reading the entire context of that verse:

Rom 8:33-34

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

That scripture itself is telling us who God justifies and how/why. As does Romans 3 (and elsewhere). Your doctrine on this is simply at odds with scripture Epi.

 

[Hepzibah]

It seems to me, that here is some confusion going on here. Allow me to give an attempt to clarify things.

There are two issues where there is a dispute:

1) what is known as holiness doctrine or entire sanctification.

This is a historical dispute amongst those who deny that the scripture says that a further work of grace is needed to attain the deeper, higher experience of serving God in His strength alone and who say that hey have everything needed once they turn to Christ.

History is not short of believers who have stood by this even the early church taught it as Theosis. The believers in it all say that they came to a point when previously they were happy with the state they were on, but circumstances revealed that they were indeed not as they hoped. For an example we look at John Wesley who found out on a sail to America, that his faith was very weak compared with the Moravians and so he began to seek deeper and discovered the teaching on entire sanctification which was the start of huge revivals, as it always does.

So perhaps some of you have not reached that state of faith crisis yet. You have a huge body of the church that disagrees with you that there is nothing more. Even more so if you deny that the early church theologians knew what hey were talking about.

So this debate has gone on in the west since the 17th century and will not be solved here.

The problems is that what John is teaching, that is to say, that the unsaved can be saved as righteous people, has never been taught before as far as I know and he is not coming forth with any evidence of that. I have been reading from the Holiness Movement since 1990, intensively and have never seen it, nor from the early church.

It looks like he is confused with dispensationalism that denies that OT people were actually saved, whereas the cross stands in the center of creation and applies to all time, that faith in Christ saves us, not works.

John has not laid out his theological system or will probably say he has none to hide the inconsistencies.

2) The second issue is John's behaviour towards those who will not accept him on one or both of the issues.

In my opinion he is not acting like he has at one time walked in the way he is preaching otherwise he would have a better functioning conscience on what is kindness and love towards others.

To me, he is acting like a cult member. Which cult I have no idea.

 

[Lizbeth]

Still … I skimmed reading your words. I’ve read the same verses as you. See, I was trying to encourage the prayer …we say the words posting it out on the thread…”please God help him who is blind”. Bowing our heads…saying the prayer but do you have Faith and believe God will give us what we ask for? Or is the prayer just a show of our own goodness to openly pray for one who is sick? It seemed no one was really interested in looking at the scriptures on helping those who accuse you but instead five seconds later it’s why they can’t be helped.

I took you at your word that you didn't know who to believe. And I just wanted to encourage you and all of us to believe God.

 

[Episkopos]

EG asked you about why God would allow you in heaven…which your reply is above. “he has twice already” which was in reply to why God would allow you into heaven. Then, “I'm awaiting the apprehension of God INTO Christ the 3rd time.” ….I get you may say it was a play on words. But regardless don’t say…or twist… “I never said that.”

I think you misunderstood the difference between times in the heavenly walk (2) and levels of heaven. No harm no foul.

See…you give me lessons on how God resist the hard ground and how he can’t endure hard ground and won’t enter in…but then say the opposite or claim the opposite in what you say as the frontier of —I’m trying to enter this hard ground around here. It takes hoeing and breaking up the clogs with a sledgehammer …dang the ground is that hard up in here. ? Which is it? Why do you bother when you say God resist hardened ground?

A person needs to break up their own fallow ground. A person has to stand up by faith in the inner man AGAINST the imaginations and defenses of a now religious outer man.

Then what is “endure hardness as a good soldier of Christ” “fight the good fight” “we fight not for your destruction but for your edification”? What does that all mean then? Why

Hardness is the treatment of those who live with the vulnerability of the inner man. Jesus said...I send you put as sheep among wolves. So in this life you will endure HARDSHIPS.

1 Corinthians 15:27-34 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. [29] Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? [30] And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? [31] I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. [32] If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. [33] Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. [34] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


Again….you say you are planting seed. Enduring hard ground to plant the seed. Yet come back with why God doesn’t do that???

The parable of the sower illustrates that the seed is always the same...the gospel doesn't change. But its how and where we receive that seed that will determine if we will bear any fruit at all...never mind the eternal kind.