This will be a sign for you:

[Keraz]

THIS WILL BE A SIGN FOR YOU



2 Kings 19:25-31 Have you not heard? Long ago I did it all. I planned it, now I have brought it about – your defences have crashed into rubble.
The people, shorn of strength are put to shame and are as grass dried up by the East wind.
I know all your doings – your goings out and coming in.

Your rage and arrogance against Me has come to My ears, so I put a ring in your nose and sent you back where you came from.

This will be a sign for you; this year you will eat the leavings of the grain, the next, that which is self sown, but on the third year you will sow and reap, plant vines and eat fruit.

The survivors left in Judah will strike fresh root below ground and will yield fruit above ground.

For a remnant will arise out of Jerusalem, survivors from Mt Zion. The zeal of the Lord will perform this.

This prophecy in the book of 2 Kings, was spoken by Isaiah, during the reign of King

Hezekiah. Soon after, the Assyrians came down against Judah,

The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold,
his cohorts all gleaming in scarlet and gold…..

The angel of the Lord struck down 185,000 Assyrian troops and saved Judah at that time.

Approximately 90 years later, Babylonian troops attacked- 3 times, eventually destroying most of Jerusalem and deporting most of the House of Judah. [the Jews]

The House of Israel- the 10 Northern tribes had been conquered and deported 135 years earlier.

So, this seems to be a prophecy that was partially fulfilled then, but it must be a dual prophecy, with significance for our time.

As in verse 29; His people, regathered into the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, will survive for 2 years on food provided by the Lord, then sufficient crops and livestock will be established for their own supply.

Verse 30-31 ; The Jewish remnant remaining in the Land after it is cleansed, Romans 9:27, will join their brethren. Jeremiah 50:2, Obadiah 17

Reference; Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.
Poem; The Destruction of Sennacherib, by Lord Byron.

 

[Keraz]

Signs and Events Before the Coming of the Messiah:

2 Esdras 15&16 These are the words of the Lord: I shall show sinners no pity, My punishment will not spare those murderers who stain the ground with innocent blood. The Lord’s anger will burst out in flame, scorching the earth to its foundations and consuming sinners like burning straw. Woe to sinners who flout My commands, I shall show them no mercy. I well know all who offend against Me, I consign them to death and destruction.

See the clouds – full of fury and tempest, their appearance is hideous. They will let loose a vast storm over the land. There will be terror and trembling throughout the world, people will shudder, stricken with panic. Huge clouds will pile up and ravage the whole land and its inhabitants and a terrible storm will sweep over all that is high and exalted, with fire and hail and flying swords.

Strong is the arm that bends the bow and sharp the arrows that He shoots. Once they are on their way, nothing will stop them until they reach the ends of the earth. Calamities are let loose and will not turn back. The fire is lighted and will not be put out. When the scorching heat bears down upon you, your strength and splendour will wither like a flower. When Y’hovah sends calamities, who can avert them? When His anger bursts into flame, who can extinguish it? When the lightning flashes and it thunders, who will not quake with dread?


The Wisdom Of Solomon 5:17-23 The Lord will array Himself from head to foot with the clothing of His wrath and will make His creation the weapon against His enemies. He will take holiness for His invincible shield and sharpen His relentless anger for a sword. The bolts of His lightning will fly straight to their mark and the artillery of His resentment will let fly a fury of hail. A great tempest will rise against them and scatter them like chaff before a whirlwind. So lawlessness will make the whole world desolate.

But the just will live forever, their reward is in the Lord’s keeping. Therefore royal splendour will be theirs and a crown from the Lord Himself. He will protect His people with His Right Hand and shield them with His arm.

The Wisdom of Solomon 16:15-16 From the Lord’s Hand there is no escape, the godless who refused to acknowledge You are scourged by Your mighty arm and pursued by storms of hail in relentless torrents and are utterly destroyed by fire.
Ref: Revised English Bible Apocrypha


The Otot haMashiah [the sign of the Messiah, written circa 12th century]
The Holy One, blessed be He, will bring to the world heat from the sun, that will kill a thousand times thousands of all the nations and all the wicked of Israel will also die. Everyone will say: Woe is us, where can we escape to? They will dig holes and hide in caves to cool themselves. If you ask: How will the righteous be saved from the heat of the sun? The Holy One, blessed be He, will give them a remedy in that heat.

The Qibbutz Galuyot [the ingathering of the Exiles]
Ever since the destruction of the Temple, in 70AD, the Jews have prayed daily for the rejoining and the restoration of all the twelve tribes of Israel. To make this complete, there has to be a redemption of the Lord’s people to Himself. Therefore, all the Israelites must return to their ancestral Land and also the Shekinah Glory must return with them.

Happy are those who live in those days, to see the good fortune of Israel which God will bring to pass. For the ingathering of Israel, may God hasten His mercy to His people.
The Lord’s People, true Israelites: are now every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29, 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

[Jack]

Israel is home to stay in the Land of the Bible! All the wannabees can't remove Israel from the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return!

 

[covenantee]

Israel is home to stay in the Land of the Bible! All the wannabees can't remove Israel from the Land of the Bible where Jesus will return!

Who wannabe antichrist?

Only antichrist wannabe antichrist.

 

[Jack]

Who wannabe antichrist?

Only antichrist wannabe antichrist.

Those who try to STEAL Israel's identity! Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those who try to STEAL Israel's identity! Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

Who is doing that? What is your interpretation of the following passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

 

[Jack]

Who is doing that? What is your interpretation of the following passage:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

And that does not say nor imply that Christians are Israel! Israel is Israel and that is where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel.

 

[Keraz]

This thread is to do with the forthcoming Sixth Seal; the Day the Lord will destroy all of His enemies in all of the holy Land.
Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive by hiding underground, as Isaiah 29:1-4 describes.

Some people think that the mixed race nation there now that calls itself Israel, is Gods chosen people. Some of them, yes but not as a nation.
Ony faithful Christian peoples will go to the holy Land to live after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it. Isaiah 35:1-10, Isaiah 62:1-5

 

[Jack]

This thread is to do with the forthcoming Sixth Seal; the Day the Lord will destroy all of His enemies in all of the holy Land.
Only a remnant of Christian Jews will survive by hiding underground, as Isaiah 29:1-4 describes.

Some people think that the mixed race nation there now that calls itself Israel, is Gods chosen people. Some of them, yes but not as a nation.
Ony faithful Christian peoples will go to the holy Land to live after the Lord has cleared and cleansed it. Psalms 35:1-10, Isaiah 62:1-5

Get a map. It's name is ISRAEL! The Land of the Bible. And all the wannabees in the world can't remove them. They will try to their absolute terror tho!

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And that does not say nor imply that Christians are Israel! Israel is Israel and that is where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel.

The nation of Israel is the nation of Israel and Spiritual Israel is Spiritual Israel. I missed your interpretation of the following passage, so could you please tell me how you interpret it:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

 

[Jack]

The nation of Israel is the nation of Israel and Spiritual Israel is Spiritual Israel. I missed your interpretation of the following passage, so could you please tell me how you interpret it:

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.

It's quite clear. Many of Israel are not believers. But many are!

 

[covenantee]

It's quite clear. Many of Israel are not believers. But many are!

True identity is found only in Christ.

The unbelievers of Israel have no identity except that of Satan.

The believers of Israel have true identity, that of Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's quite clear. Many of Israel are not believers. But many are!

Is that your only takeaway from it? What does it mean to say that "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"? Obviously, all who are descended from the nation of Israel are national Israel since that is only dependent on being a physical descendant and not dependent on whether someone has faith or not, so it can't mean what you think it means.

Paul is referring to some other Israel here of which not all from the nation of Israel are part. There is no other way to interpret what he said that can make any sense. What is the reason for your hesitancy to acknowledge the existence of another Israel which many of us call "Spiritual Israel" or "The Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)?

 

[covenantee]

And that does not say nor imply that Christians are Israel! Israel is Israel and that is where Jesus will return and FIGHT for Israel.

Christ will not fight for antichrist.

 

[Jack]

True identity is found only in Christ.

Then why will Jesus return to Israel and FIGHT for Israel?

The unbelievers of Israel have no identity except that of Satan.

That would include all non Christians. Why are you obsessed against Israel?

The believers of Israel have true identity, that of Christ.

Israel wannabee?

 

[Jack]

Is that your only takeaway from it? What does it mean to say that "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"? Obviously, all who are descended from the nation of Israel are national Israel since that is only dependent on being a physical descendant and not dependent on whether someone has faith or not, so it can't mean what you think it means.

Paul is referring to some other Israel here of which not all from the nation of Israel are part. There is no other way to interpret what he said that can make any sense. What is the reason for your hesitancy to acknowledge the existence of another Israel which many of us call "Spiritual Israel" or "The Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16)?

Are you in Israel? Doesn't seem like any of the wannabees are in Israel.

 

[Jack]

Christ will not fight for antichrist.

True but He sure will FIGHT for Israel!

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you in Israel? Doesn't seem like any of the wannabees are in Israel.

Looks like you just believe what you want to believe and don't want to accept what passages like Romans 9:6-8 teach. You can't even bring yourself to exegete the passage and show exactly how it should be interpreted. I guess you should just rip that passage and others that your doctrine contradicts out of your Bible.

 

[covenantee]

Then why will Jesus return to Israel and FIGHT for Israel?

Christ will not fight for antichrist.

That would include all non Christians. Why are you obsessed against Israel?

Of course. Why are you obsessed with antichrist?

Israel wannabee?

Antichrist wannabe?

 

[Jack]

Looks like you just believe what you want to believe and don't want to accept what passages like Romans 9:6-8 teach. You can't even bring yourself to exegete the passage and show exactly how it should be interpreted. I guess you should just rip that passage and others that your doctrine contradicts out of your Bible.

Romans 11:26-27
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

Amen Jesus!