Q for JW- KIEW?

[Keiw]

That's pretty much what Arius taught in the fourth century. He had a lot of adherents. But ultimately his heresy didn't stand the test of time.

Truth never fails. False religions teach false things because they reside in darkness and became a house divided( hundreds of trinity religions)that will not stand. With hundreds of different truths on matters= a mass of confusion, especially since Jesus promised he would send his holy spirit that would guide them into ALL truth= Gods 1 truth. They absolutely fail this true mark 100%=1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought=( all of Gods 1 truth) no division. Those being mislead like this( 2 Cor 11:12-15) cannot see.

 

[Brakelite]

Job 1:6=angels called sons.

But nowhere are they described in the same manner as Jesus described His own beginning in a discussion with the rulers of the nation He challenged their claim to be Abraham's children, as they challenged His claim to be the Son of God. They knew He wasn't talking about being a child of God such as are angels and men...

KJV John 8:42-59
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth (exerchomai) and came from (heko) God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

As Jesus said, and the apostles affirmed elsewhere, He was the only begotten Son of the Father. This sets Him apart from every other creature. It places an irreconcilable difference between Him as a true Son, and the angels.
As one writer said of Jesus, reflecting biblical truth......
A complete offering has been made; for "God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son,"-- not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Father's person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[Brakelite]

Let us=Jehovah and his master worker( Jesus) = the one beside God( Prov 8:30) during the creation process= Jehovah the only one with the power and wisdom to create--Col 1:16--Created by(used as Gods) master worker)-through him and for him= another did the creating
Gen 1:27= HE created-not we.
Prov 8:27-28= HE created-not we
Isaiah 40:26= HE created not we.

bible truth.

Agreed. But that is not what we are talking about. That doesn't make the Son any less the true Son, and being the true Son of the Father, inherited all the attributes of the Godhead including His Father's name.

 

[Brakelite]

God always was and always will be. God made Jesus.

Yes, brought forth His only begotten Son, God in nature and essence. What else, in being begotten of the Father, could He be? The angels were not begotten. We are not begotten of God. Only Jesus. Unique. Alone. Begotten of the Father in eternity and sent to earth to become a man.
"For God so loved the world, that He sent His only begotten Son...."

 

[Brakelite]

@Keiw

KJV Isaiah 40:3
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Speaking of John the Baptist, Matthew said...
KJV Matthew 3:3
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make his paths straight.

And Mark agreed, in fact, Mark's gospel was written first I believe...
KJV Mark 1:1-3
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make his paths straight.

 

[Berean]

Imaging unrealities should frighten your thinking. JW,s ran from christendom because they are false religions teaching false things such as a non existent trinity god created at the councils of Catholicism. Misleading into breaking Gods #1 commandment daily and those will NOT enter Gods kingdom.

Is that all you can babble about, the Trinity? That seems to be you're #1 argument for everything.

So are you denying that your Governing Body hasn't been busy the past few years changing doctrines and practices? You stopped going door to door. You stopped publishing physical literature, everything is online, which makes it easy for the Society to make changes in the text without anyone knowing. No more disfellowshipping or shunning. Men can have beards, women can wear pants, the FDS redefined, sheep and the goats, no more judging because they don't know ... blah, blah, blah. What was taught yesterday, is no longer believed today and may no longer be believed tomorrow. The light gets brighter. Over 100 years and your God hasn't gotten it right yet! Blinking on, blinking off like a disco ball light.

 

[Jack]

Rev 3:12= sitting at Gods right hand. Stresses 4 x in a single paragraph that he has a God. It takes believing Jesus over errors. All who follow him do.

And God called His Son "God" and to be WORSHIPED, no matter how many JW puppets Satan sends to say otherwise.

 

[Jack]

I didn't lie. Something is wrong with you.

Yes you did! I provided PROOF / Scripture!

 

[Jack]

A follower of Jesus lives by every utterance from God. They know all the easy stuff i post by heart already. So the question is--Why don't you?

And JW's follow the Governing Body. That's why they run from Scripture like the Devil!

 

[Keiw]

Agreed. But that is not what we are talking about. That doesn't make the Son any less the true Son, and being the true Son of the Father, inherited all the attributes of the Godhead including His Father's name.

The Father gave him his own name=Jesus, the name above all other names( excluding Gods name) nothing is above God.

 

[Keiw]

Is that all you can babble about, the Trinity? That seems to be you're #1 argument for everything.

So are you denying that your Governing Body hasn't been busy the past few years changing doctrines and practices? You stopped going door to door. You stopped publishing physical literature, everything is online, which makes it easy for the Society to make changes in the text without anyone knowing. No more disfellowshipping or shunning. Men can have beards, women can wear pants, the FDS redefined, sheep and the goats, no more judging because they don't know ... blah, blah, blah. What was taught yesterday, is no longer believed today and may no longer be believed tomorrow. The light gets brighter. Over 100 years and your God hasn't gotten it right yet! Blinking on, blinking off like a disco ball light.

No i do not deny it--The bible shows 100% that is how it would work=Matt 24:45--God has gotten it right, ones in darkness cannot see it. The fakes all left, God knew exactly what he is doing and why. The fakes may have remained and hurt others who were standing.

 

[Keiw]

And God called His Son "God" and to be WORSHIPED, no matter how many JW puppets Satan sends to say otherwise.

Then mr know it all, please explain to all of us why The true God is called Ton Theon in the Greek lexicons at John 1:1 and 2 Cor 4:4=God,,, and the Word and satan are both called Theos to show a difference? Guess what the only possible difference that there can be= the Word and satan are being called god, not God. You keep talking on this subject so you must have the explanation, please share that truth with us all. And at the same time share with us how the Word and satan both being called Theos has different meanings for both.

 

[Keiw]

Yes you did! I provided PROOF / Scripture!

What proof?

 

[Keiw]

And JW's follow the Governing Body. That's why they run from Scripture like the Devil!

Thats a strange statement coming from one who doesn't know the simple scriptures i share ==Why is that? the answer = because you don't listen to Jesus and live by every utterance from God enough to even know the simple stuff. Yet you think you can discuss Gods truth when you dont even know the simple stuff.

 

[PS95]

Thats a strange statement coming from one who doesn't know the simple scriptures i share ==Why is that? the answer = because you don't listen to Jesus and live by every utterance from God enough to even know the simple stuff. Yet you think you can discuss Gods truth when you dont even know the simple stuff.

Keiw, refusing to read your bible in context Romans 6---only bolsters what Jack is saying about your leaders. Why can't you see this?

I know you can not see this- but they have you memorize verses out of context. Because you hear and read these same verses OVER & OVER put together with another verse that does not belong with it-- they create new teachings that are not true.
I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. KEIW. IT HAPPENED TO ME TOO!
It has nothing to do with intelligence, nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with your spiritual place when you first met them. If you did not know the bible or God, if you did not belong to Jesus- then you are very susceptible to them. It's mind control and it's deceptive and wicked.
GB ignores so MUGH in the bible OR tell you it only applies to them. It is called mind control. It is very real. They are NOT OF JEHOVAH.
Do you quote verses that seem to differenciate from what we believe? YES. But we need to look at ALL of the bible, not just a verse. You agree, right? BUT JWS DO NOT. I know you think you do- but ITS not true, not at all.
The Gb has quoted, spiritists, aethists, and men who have admitted to lying, and misquoted scholars!!! all to bolster what they are teaching. That is dishonest to say the least. Agree? I know you do. Yet you will continue to defend them. That is mind control. That is the VERY REASON that theytell you not to look at outside sources or to think on yor own!! They will misquote a vers, such as "do not lean on your own understanding" right? -- except that does NOT mean to close your brain off to only listen to them! It means to use your bible and prayer for answers instead of making up your own ideas. It means to know God.

You look at your own refusal to read your own bible in context simply because I am not a Jw. That is the mind control. You see where I showed you the scriptures that prove that Jesus died for ALL our sins. You wrote.. "all sin". Amen! Amen! Yet, you know the WT does NOT teach that! They are not teaching the scriptures properly.
I believe with all of my heart that you are a truth seeker unlike others on here. Follow that calling- seek truth, but Seek it from Jehovah himself. ---That's what I did! I feared that He would be angry at me for questioning the WT- my hands shook! I asked Him to forgive me if it was wrong to ask Him. I told Him that I wanted only HIS TRUTH. I told Him that I felt something was wrong and needed His help.
I thanked Him for His Son., Jesus, and said I wanted to belong to Him, but I didn't know if that was ok. I told Him that I felt I had nowhere to go because the churches are evil now according to what I was taught. So, i only had Him left to go to.

I was trembling and crying and in utter fear..
I dont share that with just anyone. I'm sharing with you.
I knew my prayers were heard. I could feel a warm presence. But I was scared maybe it was demonic- thanks to the WT! I was praying in all sincerity to Almighty God- did I have enough faith to believe that He was loving enough to hear me, or would jehovah send me into the hands of demons like the Jws would think? Jesus could knock on the very door of your heart- and the WT would tell you it was a demon. Think about that and have no fear!
You decide.
I began reading my bible and I read all the way through the book of Romans and it was starting to make sense!!! first time in my life it was so much clearer! I began to use other translations along with my nwt to compare. I bought books on greek- I used my JW interlinear. I was determined. I kept praying and I saw so many discrepancies in the JW Greek interlinear compared to the nwt. Still I could not totally let go of all I had been taught. I had to go thru each subject and I prayed and prayed. slowly my eyes were being opened to the scriptures. The Wt does not teach properly at all. God will show you that.
God truly does care for us. I'm not special. I'm just a sinner like everyone else. I sought His face, that's all. He drew me to that. I can't even take credit for that.

When you sense that someone other than a Jw may have a point- you immediately go into defense mode and bring up the trinity or hellfire. I am not telling you that you must believe either of those to GO TO GOD. He will give you the teacher.
Matt 23:8-11
8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Matt 11:26-28
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. 26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. 27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

With this I shake the dust. You chose God or man? I have done for you what I wish someone had done for me.

​

 

[Jack]

Then mr know it all, please explain to all of us why The true God is called Ton Theon in the Greek lexicons at John 1:1 and 2 Cor 4:4=God,,, and the Word and satan are both called Theos to show a difference? Guess what the only possible difference that there can be= the Word and satan are being called god, not God. You keep talking on this subject so you must have the explanation, please share that truth with us all. And at the same time share with us how the Word and satan both being called Theos has different meanings for both.

You're gonna teach us Greek? JW's don't even believe their own English NWT!

Heb 1 NWT "Let all God's angels WORSHIP him"!

John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God"!

 

[Jack]

What proof?

You LIED! "He warns ALL other gods are false then names only the Father as God.= every translation on earth."

 

[Jack]

Thats a strange statement coming from one who doesn't know the simple scriptures i share ==Why is that? the answer = because you don't listen to Jesus and live by every utterance from God enough to even know the simple stuff. Yet you think you can discuss Gods truth when you dont even know the simple stuff.

I know very simple Bible doctrines. Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING. Doctrines JW's HATE!

 

[Keiw]

Keiw, refusing to read your bible in context Romans 6---only bolsters what Jack is saying about your leaders. Why can't you see this?

I know you can not see this- but they have you memorize verses out of context. Because you hear and read these same verses OVER & OVER put together with another verse that does not belong with it-- they create new teachings that are not true.
I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. KEIW. IT HAPPENED TO ME TOO!
It has nothing to do with intelligence, nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with your spiritual place when you first met them. If you did not know the bible or God, if you did not belong to Jesus- then you are very susceptible to them. It's mind control and it's deceptive and wicked.
GB ignores so MUGH in the bible OR tell you it only applies to them. It is called mind control. It is very real. They are NOT OF JEHOVAH.
Do you quote verses that seem to differenciate from what we believe? YES. But we need to look at ALL of the bible, not just a verse. You agree, right? BUT JWS DO NOT. I know you think you do- but ITS not true, not at all.
The Gb has quoted, spiritists, aethists, and men who have admitted to lying, and misquoted scholars!!! all to bolster what they are teaching. That is dishonest to say the least. Agree? I know you do. Yet you will continue to defend them. That is mind control. That is the VERY REASON that theytell you not to look at outside sources or to think on yor own!! They will misquote a vers, such as "do not lean on your own understanding" right? -- except that does NOT mean to close your brain off to only listen to them! It means to use your bible and prayer for answers instead of making up your own ideas. It means to know God.

You look at your own refusal to read your own bible in context simply because I am not a Jw. That is the mind control. You see where I showed you the scriptures that prove that Jesus died for ALL our sins. You wrote.. "all sin". Amen! Amen! Yet, you know the WT does NOT teach that! They are not teaching the scriptures properly.
I believe with all of my heart that you are a truth seeker unlike others on here. Follow that calling- seek truth, but Seek it from Jehovah himself. ---That's what I did! I feared that He would be angry at me for questioning the WT- my hands shook! I asked Him to forgive me if it was wrong to ask Him. I told Him that I wanted only HIS TRUTH. I told Him that I felt something was wrong and needed His help.
I thanked Him for His Son., Jesus, and said I wanted to belong to Him, but I didn't know if that was ok. I told Him that I felt I had nowhere to go because the churches are evil now according to what I was taught. So, i only had Him left to go to.

I was trembling and crying and it utter fear..
I dont share that with just anyone. I'm sharing with you.
I knew my prayers were heard. I could feel a warm presence. But I was scared maybe it was demonic- thanks to the WT! I was praying in all sincerity to Almighty God- did I have enough faith to believe that He was loving enough to hear me, or would jehovah send me into the hands of demons like the Jws would think? Jesus could knock on the very door of your heart- and the WT would tell you it was a demon. Think about that and have no fear!
You decide.
I began reading my bible and I read all the way through the book of Romans and it was starting to make sense!!! first time in my life it was so much clearer! I began to use other translations along with my nwt to compare. I bought books on greek- I used my JW interlinear. I was determined. I kept praying and I saw so many discrepancies in the JW Greek interlinear compared to the nwt. Still I could not totally let go of all I had been taught. I had to go thru each subject and I prayed and prayed. slowly my eyes were being opened to the scriptures. The Wt does not teach properly at all. God will show you that.
God truly does care for us. I'm not special. I'm just a sinner like everyone else. I sought His face, that's all. He drew me to that. I can't even take credit for that.

When you sense that someone other than a Jw may have a point- you immediately go into defense mode and bring up the trinity or hellfire. I am not telling you that you must believe either of those to GO TO GOD. He will give you the teacher.
Matt 23:8-11
8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant.
Matt 11:26-28
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

With this I shake the dust. I have done for you what I wish someone had done for me.

​

You praise that the darkness took you. Why? Because you refuse to believe Jesus.

 

[Jack]

You praise that the darkness took you. Why? Because you refuse to believe Jesus.

You just described WatchTower puppets perfectly!