What is the purpose of infant baptism?

[GodsGrace]

Yes, I notice in all the conversion stories, none of them bash their former faith, but find their former faith is not supplanted, but embellished.

Conversion Stories Archives - The Coming Home Network

The Catholic faith is deeper theologically.
Try reading the New Advent Encyclopedia,
It makes your brain want to burst!!

 

[Truther]

Nice Truther!
Nice voice....you sound like a good guy.

You DO state that they will receive forgiveness of sins and the Holy Ghost.
Which would be the difference between the baptism of John and that of Jesus,
as I've posted to you.

It's this NAME thing that has you confused (excuse me, but I think you are).

FATHER is a NAME because it's an office.
SON is a NAME because it's AN OFFICE.....just like Father is and just like Holy Spirit is.
HOLY SPIRIT is a NAME because it's an office.

So, in your way of thinking:
What's the NAME of the Father?
What's the NAME of the Holy Spirit?

IN THE NAME OF just means in the AUTHORITY of....
We come in the NAME OF THE KING....
THE KING IS AN OFFICE.

I can't do better than this and it doesn't matter.
You're steeped in your belief and that's how you'll remain.

I don't see this as a big problem.

PS. The Holy Spirit is THE COMFORTER
Just like Jesus is THE SON

BUT IT'S NOT A NAME.
It's an OFFICE.

Jesus is the name. My titles are father, son and husband

 

[Truther]

Believe what you will Truther.
I can't continue with this like some on this thread.

I'll leave you with this:

The Wedding at Cana....
Mary said:

WHATEVER HE SAYS TO YOU, DO IT.
John 2:5

Like I said (maybe not to you)
I tend to obey what JESUS stated.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom in Matthew 16. Blame Jesus not Peter.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus is the name. My titles are father, son and husband

Right.
And Jesus said to use THE TITLES....not the names.
Example: The Holy Spirit has no name.

God has a few, but Jesus said to use the term of TITLE.
God is God.
Jesus is Son.
The Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

See.....no names.

 

[JBO]

I don't see a likewise trend among priests becoming Protestants.

Do you see the trend among priests becoming pedophiles?

 

[BreadOfLife]

OR
It shows that I like to THINK THINGS THROUGH before accepting them.

Now, if this is OK with PRIESTS,,,,I really don't care what YOU think about it.

You need to learn how to discern between a faithful priest and a wolf in sheep’s clothing..

Sounds like you’re been learning from the latter . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sometimes they're not misrepresenting the church.
And sometimes they are.

It's important to see the difference.

I DO know the difference – that’s why I don’t rebuke a person unless they LIE.

Some things the church got wrong and is continuing in them because it's difficult to change.

You're wrong – but it’s just an opinion, so I don’t have a problem with you having an opinion . . ..

 

[BreadOfLife]

What IS the truth Bread?
The CC has some things WRONG.

Yes, you have repeatedly failed to name a single teaching that is “wrong” . . .

It has painted itself into a corner and can no longer get out easily.
Did you know that the church would like to begin baptizing adults only?
Probably not.
But too much push-back from Catholics that have grown up with the idea that a baby will
go to hell if not baptized.
YES. I still hear this today from some Catholics.

Now,,, I know that YOU know this is not true,,,,but many Catholics believe it is.

That is absolute nonsense.

The Church is NOT contemplating “changing” it’s Baptismal requirements to “Adults Only” – no matter HOW man of your unfaithful renegade “proest” friends want it.
This is a prime example of your misrepresenting the Church.

Make it easy on yourself and post ONLY those thing that you can produce documented evidence for . . .

This is one of my complaints about the CC....NOT ENOUGH TEACHING.

Not the nonsense that Protestants post here about the CC.
Which, 80% of it is not even correct.

NONSENSE.
The problem is lazy, complacent pew-fillers.

There is PLENTY of teaching (Bible studies, Apologetics, Ministries, lectures, classes, etc).

I can explain why.

As I stated before – you have repeatedly FAILED to explain why.

I think you’re afraid of being exposed . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

And that everyone, is how a man talks himself out of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of his sins.
Mass commentary. Read it and weep.

And what you see there, everyone, is a man completely content ro wallow in self-imposed ignorance.

There is none so blind as he who will NOT see . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol

The apocrypha man…

First of all - you don't even know what "Apocrypha" means.

Secondly - I asked you for EXAMPLES of how they 7 Deuterocanonical Books supposedly "contradict" the rest of the Bible.

Finally - Jesus and the NT writers studied from and referenced these 7 Books as we see some 200 TIMES on the pages of the NT. Those Books weren't even removed from the Jewish Canon until the early 2nd century. This was AFTER Jesus ascended to Heaven in

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom in Matthew 16. Blame Jesus not Peter.

???

 

[GodsGrace]

You need to learn how to discern between a faithful priest and a wolf in sheep’s clothing..

Sounds like you’re been learning from the latter . . .

I know both.
Unfortunately.

Did I say I know only one??

 

[GodsGrace]

I DO know the difference – that’s why I don’t rebuke a person unless they LIE.

You're wrong – but it’s just an opinion, so I don’t have a problem with you having an opinion . . ..

Re A LIE:

I've been through this with you before and it'll end here....

A LIE is willfully telling an untruth.

Most Protestants don't really KNOW what Catholicism teaches....
They've been taught incorrectly or they've read something wrong or whatever....

So they're not LYING,,,they're just repeating incorrect information that they've learned somehow.

It's not too nice to call someone a liar unless they really are.
And I mean willfully.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, you have repeatedly failed to name a single teaching that is “wrong” . . .

It's wrong to ask that priests not marry.
There is no mention of this in the NT AND the REASON why the church decided in 1,200AD that they should remain single is for purely convenient reasons having nothing to do with spirituality.

It's wrong to proclaim indulgences as if the Pope has a direct line to God...
and ANY indulgence is wrong.....especially the special plenary indulgences.
HOW are they biblical.

Confessing to a priest is wrong.
Confession came about gradually and was not practiced as it is today in the early church.

Purgatory is wrong.
1 Corinthians 3 does NOT support purgatory.
MAYBE Revelation 21:22 could be used for support - but, unfortunately, the CC does not accept this book as literal except when it suits it.

Praying to saints is wrong.
They are persons that have died and gone to be with God.
If they could hear our prayers, then it means they're omnipresent.
I thought only God was omnipresent...

Saving pieces of saints is macabre.
The tongue of St. Anthony is sitting in a glass case in a beautiful church in Padova.
There was quite a line to see it too.
I wasn't on it.

I'm sure there's more but I don't care to think about it right now.
I think that's enough.

Funny, how you bring out the worst in persons.
And I'm a friend of the CC!

Maybe you should also read John 13:34-35 like some others on these forums...
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

That is absolute nonsense.

The Church is NOT contemplating “changing” it’s Baptismal requirements to “Adults Only” – no matter HOW man of your unfaithful renegade “proest” friends want it.
This is a prime example of your misrepresenting the Church.

Make it easy on yourself and post ONLY those thing that you can produce documented evidence for . . .

Well my dear man....
some things that come from Rome are not documented in a way that would please you.
However, that does not make my statements untrue.
It was a MISTAKE (another mistake) for the CC to follow the teachings of Augustine on infant baptism.
His REASONS for baptizing a baby ARE WRONG.

NONSENSE.
The problem is lazy, complacent pew-fillers.

There is PLENTY of teaching (Bible studies, Apologetics, Ministries, lectures, classes, etc).

As I stated before – you have repeatedly FAILED to explain why.

I think you’re afraid of being exposed . . .

Yes. Plenty of study.
This must be why Catholics are the most MISINFORMED Christians of any denomination.
Most of them don't even know what the church teaches....

Too bad that someone with so much information (you) doesn't know how to use it to
ATTRACT persons to the Catholic faith...but tends to DISTANCE them from it.

I always told you that your Bishop (if you have one) would not be very happy with you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Hebrews 11:35 KJV
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

Non-specific. And there is no need to look further than this passage to find it in the KJV.

1 Kings 17:23 KJV
And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.

1 Kings 17:23 references the FIRST part of Heb. 11:35 --
"Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Of course there are other examples."

The torture and martyrdom of the mother and sons is referenced in the SECOND part of Heb. 11:35 --
"There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection."

Of course there are other examples.

Isaiah 59:17 KJV
For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

Wisdom 5:17-20
The Lord will take his zeal as his whole armor,
and will arm all creation to repel his enemies;
18 he will put on righteousness as a breastplate,
and wear impartial justice as a helmet;
19 he will take holiness as an invincible shield,
20 and sharpen stern wrath for a sword,
and creation will join with him to fight against the madmen.

Ephesians 6:14-17 KJV
14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

It looks like Paul has more in common with Isaiah than this other book.

Much love!

WRONG.

The comparison of verses that YOU presented shows that Wis. 5:17-20 has FAR more in common with Eph. 6:13-17 than does Isaiah 59:17.

Wisdom 5:17-20 mentions the breastplate, helmet, shield and sword, like Eph. 6:13-17.

Isaiah 59:17. only mentions a breastplate and helmet.

 

[marks]

The torture and martyrdom of the mother and sons is referenced in the SECOND part of Heb. 11:35 --
"There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection."

No mothers and sons mentioned there.

The comparison of verses that YOU presented shows that Wis. 5:17-20 has FAR more in common with Eph. 6:13-17 than does Isaiah 59:17.

Wisdom 5:17-20 mentions the breastplate, helmet, shield and sword, like Eph. 6:13-17.

Isaiah 59:17. only mentions a breastplate and helmet.

Look again. The Bible says what each of these are, and it's different from your Wisdom book.

Much love!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Re A LIE:

I've been through this with you before and it'll end here....

A LIE is willfully telling an untruth.

Most Protestants don't really KNOW what Catholicism teaches....
They've been taught incorrectly or they've read something wrong or whatever....

So they're not LYING,,,they're just repeating incorrect information that they've learned somehow.

It's not too nice to call someone a liar unless they really are.
And I mean willfully.

WRONG.

9 out of 10 anti-Catholics lies about HISTORY, which everybody has access to.
When you do on a debate/discussion site – the onus is on YOU to get your facts straight.

If a person passes on a bit of gossip about someone that is false – they are guilty of the SAME sin as the person who STARED it.

That’s true for ANY lie.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know both.
Unfortunately.

Did I say I know only one??

No – but you keep making false statements that misrepresent the Church, stating that you’ve heard these things from “priests” that you know.

Only unfaithful or otherwise ignorant “priests” would be telling you these things.

 

[GodsGrace]

WRONG.

9 out of 10 anti-Catholics lies about HISTORY, which everybody has access to.
When you do on a debate/discussion site – the onus is on YOU to get your facts straight.

If a person passes on a bit of gossip about someone that is false – they are guilty of the SAME sin as the person who STARED it.

That’s true for ANY lie.

Passing on gossip is a different sin than lying.
But this is an old topic.
I'll leave it at that.

Most won't even study church history.
They believe it ended with Revelation.

 

[GodsGrace]

No – but you keep making false statements that misrepresent the Church, stating that you’ve heard these things from “priests” that you know.

Only unfaithful or otherwise ignorant “priests” would be telling you these things.

Or those who know what's going on.
And you shouldn't call anyone IGNORANT that you don't know.
Bishops get orders from Rome....
It's succession of information - just like Apostolic succession.


You can take what I say or leave it.
Most times I'm not even replying to you....
You're not required to accept what I say.

If you think I'm LYING,,,,so be it.

You didn't reply about Augustine and infant baptism.
Do you agree with me on that?