Is anyone else a Seer?

[Peterlag]

It does not follow that seeing into the future means also controlling every action - this would be robotic.

God knows everything, He is the Alpha and the Omega - He is a just judge of human action and a loving Father.

This understanding God only comes by revelation, not by human thought.

The churches teach that God knows everything that will happen and He's in control of everything. We have been taught things cannot be changed because everything in the universe is already set. If this is true, then why have a genuine dialogue of prayer with God if things cannot be changed since everything in the universe is already set? I believe the answer is that everything in the universe is not already set. And this is why God can and does enter into deep personal relationships of love with those who have indeed been called in Christ Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes that is exactly correct - if you are outside of Chronology as God clearly is - your perspective is no longer subject to future, past or present.

If God could not see what is to happen then prophesy concerning the coming Messiah, seen again and again in the OT, would not exist.

If God already saw the coming of the Messiah and it was already set. Then the Messiah did not have free will to not do it. And that makes your Bible fall apart because even Jesus said he did not have to do it.

I too can prophesy concerning things in the future and if I can do it can we not understand how God could also have such ability? I can tell you that many years from now when I'm old my son will build a house and the roof will be made out of metal and the color will be grey.

 

[Peterlag]

Again with the blasphemous abuse of the word tyranny!

I’ve read that all monarchies are truly oligarchs precisely because of the need to delegate authority for effective government. But to deny it is right for YHWH to have all power over his own Creation is nonsensical.

Think of it in terms of Jesus. Did he have free will to go to the cross? He said he did. If God saw all this already and knew how it was going to happen because it was already set in time. Then Jesus did not have free will. That makes it somewhat a tyranny government and then your Bible has to fall apart because God did not need Jesus because any puppet would have worked.

 

[Peterlag]

This is nonsensical.

1st, it’s a stunning g lack of humility to assert you are in real control.

The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.
Proverbs 16:9

2nd, to the extent any of us have apparent control, it does not change the fact that God already knows how things will play out, including for you.

Jesus would have accomplished nothing had he not been in complete control.

 

[Peterlag]

Seeing things that have not happened for temporal beings is an implication for one whose existence is outside time. You just don’t want to accept it for some reason.

I was taught the same as you. It started with the ice cream cone and how God sees everything all at once. And then I read this book...

 

[Peterlag]

1st, what you’re saying is untrue on 2 counts. The OP is not parsing Seers from prophets. And all prophets see into the future. The terms are synonymous.



2nd, parsing seers from prophets has nothing to do with your railing against Gods absolute rule in his own kingdom.

Prophets in the Old Testament were the same as Prophets in the New Testament. They just sometimes called them a different name in the Old. Both spoke what God told them. You are stuck on that they must have seen into the future if God told them something that was going to happen later. And I have no idea why you think like that. My boss told me last Wednesday that starting next week I would be working in another building. I knew that a week before I had to report to that other building and my boss never saw into the future. He was simply telling me what he had been told by his boss because they are planning to knock down the older building. God has plans and He knows how to carry them out and so He can tell you what is going to happen because He knows what He's planning on doing.

 

[Hillsage]

The Spirit doesn't witness with any taint that might exist.

I totally agree, but the holy spirit in me or the Holy Spirit upon me isn't my concern. I just don't believe I am infallible to missing what the holy spirit from God in me, or the Holy Spirit of God upon me is saying.

Luke 10:21
At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.

Would God leave the simple with a Scripture that is impossible for the simple to understand with His help ?

I told you earlier, if scripture was ever infallible, it was so only with the original autograph.

Understanding is via the Spirit of God to the heart of man. Intellect is in most cases a barrier to simple understanding.

I have met few that are both highly intelectual, humble and simple in faith.

I guess I"m just glad that God's standard for using us isn't as high as yours. ;)

 

[Cassandra]

Psalms 147:5........ does not say God is omniscient.
Hebrews 4:12-13 does not say God is omniscient.
1 John 3:20........... does not say God is omniscient.

You guys read stuff that's not there. Like for example this 1 John 3:20 that says God knows all things. It does not say He knows all things before they happen. I said to my boss yesterday that he knows everything about this job. That did not mean my boss knows everything that will ever happen about the job.

Sorry, If i get put in moderator time out, it is worth it.

I think this is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this forum.
As for not knowing things before they happen, what kind of God do you serve?

In the beginning God created TIME, SPACE and MATTER.

Gen 1:1 right off the bat! In the beginning (time), God created the Heavens(space) and the earth(matter)
God created time. He is outside of it.
The boss analogy is goofy. Your boss is mortal, like us. Since we are not omniscient, we have to learn stuff. God doesn't have to learn anything.

 

[Peterlag]

Sorry, If i get put in moderator time out, it is worth it.

I think this is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this forum.
As for not knowing things before they happen, what kind of God do you serve?

In the beginning God created TIME, SPACE and MATTER.

Gen 1:1 right off the bat! In the beginning (time), God created the Heavens(space) and the earth(matter)
God created time. He is outside of it.
The boss analogy is goofy. Your boss is mortal, like us. Since we are not omniscient, we have to learn stuff. God doesn't have to learn anything.

Dear Moderator,
Please do not put Cassandra in time out because I'm a big boy and have my big boy pants on and can handle all the love I get from good folks like Cassandra.

Now back to you... we both agree that God is outside of time. Where we differ is that you believe God sees time before time happens. Adam had free will to mess it up. Jesus also had to have free will to get it fixed. If it was already set in time... then Jesus was just a puppet. And therefore your Bible means nothing.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I was taught the same as you. It started with the ice cream cone and how God sees everything all at once. And then I read this book...

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My well worn leather bound NASB containing the Scriptures that God has preserved for us - purchased 1974. His Scripture is the measure by which we , with His help, judge all other writing. We commune with Him as we read. God help us all.

 

[Peterlag]

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My well worn leather bound NASB containing the Scriptures that God has preserved for us - purchased 1974. His Scripture is the measure by which we , with His help, judge all other writing. We commune with Him as we read. God help us all.

I can't read my KJV anymore since I have most of it memorized. Thus, I can only skim it at best. It's okay to read other books.

 

[Behold]

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My well worn leather bound NASB containing the Scriptures that God has preserved for us - purchased 1974. His Scripture is the measure by which we , with His help, judge all other writing. We commune with Him as we read. God help us all.

I was expecting an NIV from you... @Carl Emerson
Glad to see any other version... was posted.
Nice leather on that one.

Here is what im using .
Totally unimpressive... (sorry about that).
Only the middle one is "gen. leather".

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[Carl Emerson]

I totally agree, but the holy spirit in me or the Holy Spirit upon me isn't my concern. I just don't believe I am infallible to missing what the holy spirit from God in me, or the Holy Spirit of God upon me is saying.



I told you earlier, if scripture was ever infallible, it was so only with the original autograph.


I guess I"m just glad that God's standard for using us isn't as high as yours. ;)

Yes - while we must always be humble about what we think we know, we should also be confident to offer it in His service - apart from Jesus, when was any sacrifice ever perfect?

This is a beautiful truth - that He takes the imperfect and accomplishes His perfect purpose - this applies to us and also the Scripture.

One of my favourite sayings is "No one fails who does their best for God"

In reality I am most comfortable working with the broken - I don't hold others to any standard - "from now on we regard no man according to the flesh." It is hard to get to know the 'real me' from a forum - we are overdue for another video call :)

 

[Behold]

This is a beautiful truth - that He takes the imperfect and accomplishes His perfect purpose - this applies to us and also the Scripture.

God is able to work through the willing vessel., which is the secondary purpose of our Salvation.
The first is to prove His love and reclaim us as His own (born again) Spiritual family.

And, another good quote is... "we take care of the works and we leave the results to God".

What i notice with new converts, who are "on fire" and are obsessing on the word (Bible) and wanting to "win souls"..
Many times they are worried about the soul winning.....feeling a total lack of confidence,.... regarding being able to "get anyone saved".
So, once they fully understand that only God saves, as : only "Jesus Saves"... (we can't do that)..... so, , they are freed from that useless worry, and can now just allow the love of God to shine forth The Cross to everyone who needs Jesus, and that is everyone.

One of the members here, teaches, and taught today that "the Cross is about Torture"... which can be found on his "spiritual warfare" thread.
= Yikes...
The Truth is.. the Cross is where God's love is poured out as the blood and death of Jesus, for us all.
The Cross is God's love.. because SACRIFICE is the greatest form of Love of all, and Jesus is the greatest sacrifice of All, as this is God's "only Begotten Son"... and He died for ALL of us.

 

[Wrangler]

How easily you twist things and proper scripture to match your lack of understanding...we are done since you wont listen.

Agreed.

Your responses are more like a troll - I have persevered patiently with you but our understandings are sadly light years apart.

I see little reason to continue - may the eyes of your heart be opened to Him, His Love and Majesty.

Agreed.

I don't know what a troll is.

Agh huh.

Jesus would have accomplished nothing had he not been in complete control.

Sigh. You know this is untrue! Did God the Father submit to Jesus’ will? Did Jesus ask for the bitter cup to be taken from him and his request denied?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Dear Moderator,
Please do not put Cassandra in time out because I'm a big boy and have my big boy pants on and can handle all the love I get from good folks like Cassandra.

Now back to you... we both agree that God is outside of time. Where we differ is that you believe God sees time before time happens. Adam had free will to mess it up. Jesus also had to have free will to get it fixed. If it was already set in time... then Jesus was just a puppet. And therefore your Bible means nothing.

Every prophecy that comes from God testifies to His Foreknowledge.

Heb 4:12-13 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Rev 1:1-3 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, (2) who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. (3) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

 

[Peterlag]

Every prophecy that comes from God testifies to His Foreknowledge.

Heb 4:12-13 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

Rev 1:1-3 This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, (2) who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. (3) Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

I believe what you call prophecy is God telling us what He plans on doing and what He already knows how others will respond. You believe there's a way to see into the future to see things that have not happened yet.

 

[Peterlag]

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agh huh.

Sigh. You know this is untrue! Did God the Father submit to Jesus’ will? Did Jesus ask for the bitter cup to be taken from him and his request denied?

John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

 

[Wrangler]

John 10:18
No man taketh it from me

God is not a man and this post does not answer my questions. We’re done.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Wanting to be a seer is fraught with dangers and what I posted was not being mean to you. I prefer the Gifting that the Lord has given me, where I operate quietly often not openly for others to see. My experience has been over many years stretching back over 50 years.

My relationship with Jesus is private but powerful on one side, and very open on the other side. In 2000 Jesus spoke to me in the desert and said, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." When I got to the church in California I was traveling to, I asked Jack Hayford to anoint me for that office, and he and his son-in-law did. I guess as a teacher Jesus wanted me to experience all the gifts of the Spirit, because I've experienced all but two of the gifts in the Bible. I've never experienced a message to be given in tongues, though I do have my private prayer language, nor have I interpreted a message in tongues. It was because of His generosity with me that I asked for this one too. And immediately I had it. Your relationship with God is yours and I don't covet it. So stop judging me because of my own unique relationship with him. If you are a seer, then yes, please tell me what you've experienced so I can understand what I see. I sure can't ask a medium what the different colors of the "auras" mean as they have the counterfeit. I don't think Satan knows what they mean to tell them.