The social gospel?

[Ritajanice]

You could be a spirit child Rita.....Who am I to tell you you're not?

I think you need to read your own accusations to other members on this thread..my friend.

 

[Ritajanice]

We have persons that believe they never sin...

NO..we have Gods word that says a “ Born Again “ doesn’t sin?

 

[GodsGrace]

Did you read my post?

Yes.
I don't care for what you wrote.

I don't like to judge persons as to whether or not they're saved.
I like to converse about scripture --- not whether or not someone is going to heaven or hell.

Again. ONLY GOD KNOWS THAT.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think you need to read your own accusations to other members on this thread..my friend.

Rita....
SHOW ME where I ever stated that someone is NOT BORN AGAIN......

 

[Episkopos]

Right.
You believe in sinless perfection.
OK.
I don't agree but I'm not going to argue this.
The important thing is that you believe.

Believe what?

We have persons that believe they never sin...

That is by an imagination...one that thinks that grace is about an amnesty from prosecution for sins. Of course that is false.

We have persons that won't plainly state that it's necessary to obey God...

The same imaginers think that they don't have to obey God.

Makes me want to become a Catholic again.

Maybe better than being a reformist. But why not seek God for yourself? Outside man-made religious institutions? Do you think God respects what men create in His name?

 

[GodsGrace]

NO..we have Gods word that says a “ Born Again “ doesn’t sin?

Uhm.
I'm not discussing theology here with you.

What I'm saying is that
YOU CANNOT STATE WHO IS SAVED AND WHO IS NOT.

THAT'S FOR GOD TO KNOW,,,,NOT YOU.

Now, if you want to discuss theology,,,,I'll be more than happy.

 

[GodsGrace]

Believe what?


That is by an imagination...one that thinks that grace is about an amnesty from prosecution for sins. Of course that is false.


The same imaginers think that they don't have to obey God.

Maybe better than being a reformist. But why not seek God for yourself? Outside man-made religious institutions? Do you think God respects what men create in His name?

How do you know anything about me E?
You sound like you believe in sinless perfection, which is not taught in the NT.

Now, if you think I'm going to spend post after post trying to figure out what you believe....
you're mistaken.

You can believe what you will.
It's just that I'm willing to discuss some theology because it's important....
not willing to discuss someone's personal belief about something or other.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I voiced what I believe.

He does the same...telling me and others that I too aren’t Born Again and don’t know what it means?

Do you have the gift of discernment?

Do you know what spirit talk is..or only intellectual talk?

Intellectual talk is dead boring?

Crave to understand God’s Spirit talk and understanding...is what I do!

We are spirit children remember?

No we just say you do not have the complete picture. You leave parts out

As far as who is saved only God knows this.

 

[Ritajanice]

Uhm.
I'm not discussing theology here with you.

What I'm saying is that
YOU CANNOT STATE WHO IS SAVED AND WHO IS NOT.

THAT'S FOR GOD TO KNOW,,,,NOT YOU.

Now, if you want to discuss theology,,,,I'll be more than happy.

If you want to, discuss what it means to be Born Again...that isn’t theology..it’s a Living spirit birth...very happy to discuss that with you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you believe in sinless perfection?

He believes this is when we reach that heavenly place and are saved. Listen to him carefully

 

[Ritajanice]

No we just say you do not have the complete picture. You leave parts out

As far as who is saved only God knows this.

God leaves nothing out...you added to his word...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no sin in a Born Again spirit...they have been Born Of God’s seed.

Again that can only come by divine/ revelation/ visitation.

The Spirit cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner.

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves

Why will people not listen to John. Do they think he was flawed?

 

[Ritajanice]

Uhm.
I'm not discussing theology here with you.

What I'm saying is that
YOU CANNOT STATE WHO IS SAVED AND WHO IS NOT.

THAT'S FOR GOD TO KNOW,,,,NOT YOU.

Now, if you want to discuss theology,,,,I'll be more than happy.

We can state who we think are Born Again my friend.

We can’t tell someone they aren’t a Christian.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are the one who is confused..you added to that scripture what “ you” believe it means to be Born Again.

See here you go agai. In your total lack of discernment

I did not add to what it means I showed when we become born again

You should really slow down when reading what people say

You can’t even explain what it means to be Born Of God’s Seed...you said it was the cross.

Actually I have done it many times iver

We who are dead in trespasses and sin have been made alive (born again or a second time) in Christ by grace we have been saved, which we know happens through (not by) faith. For he was raised on that pole that whoever believes will never die

That is what and when born again

We are made Alive in our spirit by Gods Spirit...which you can’t even explain.

I do not deny this.

Those who believe are already Born Again..you teach man made doctrine...not to this lady you won’t.

No this is false. They are still dead in sin

You must receive divine revelation to know that you are Born Again..reading it into being doesn’t cut it.

Lol ok whatever

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right.
You believe in sinless perfection.
OK.
I don't agree but I'm not going to argue this.
The important thing is that you believe.

We have persons that believe they never sin...
We have persons that won't plainly state that it's necessary to obey God...

Makes me want to become a Catholic again.

This just confuses me

Gid said those born again will
Obey. You act out your faith

How can this be translated to necessary?

That makes it of works not grace

 

[GodsGrace]

If you want to, discuss what it means to be Born Again...that isn’t theology..it’s a Living spirit birth...very happy to discuss that with you?

Being born again is not theology?
What is it?
It's soteriology.....a sub category of Theology.
Theology is the study of God.

Here's what it means to be born again:

A PERSON COMES TO BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS.
Romans 1:18-20
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

A PERSON DECIDES TO BELIEVE
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

A PERSON IS SAVED BY HIS FAITH
Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.


That's about it.
God made it easy.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We can state who we think are Born Again my friend.

We can’t tell someone they aren’t a Christian.

What’s the difference?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Being born again is not theology?
What is it?
It's soteriology.....a sub category of Theology.
Theology is the study of God.

Here's what it means to be born again:

A PERSON COMES TO BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS.
Romans 1:18-20
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

A PERSON DECIDES TO BELIEVE
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

A PERSON IS SAVED BY HIS FAITH
Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.


That's about it.
God made it easy.

Simple yet precise

 

[Ritajanice]

If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves

Why will people not listen to John. Do they think he was flawed?

You still haven’t explained how we

See here you go agai. In your total lack of discernment

I did not add to what it means I showed when we become born again

You should really slow down when reading what people say

Actually I have done it many times iver

We who are dead in trespasses and sin have been made alive (born again or a second time) in Christ by grace we have been saved, which we know happens through (not by) faith. For he was raised on that pole that whoever believes will never die

No..that is not how we are Born Again..you twist Gods word to say what you want it to say.

That is what and when born again

I do not deny this.

No this is false. They are still dead in sin

Lol ok whatever

Nonsense...you have no idea what it means to be Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

What’s the difference?

Christian is not Born Again.

I was a Christian i was baptised a Christian/ christened.....does that make my spirit Born Again? I was not Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Born Again by Living divine revelation..not by reading the Bible.