Solar radiation as the source of what is current called "Global Warming".

[Raccoon1010]

I did some indeapth analysis of solar radiation and have studied physics for some time. I have a website I use to track solar radiation events (Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center). There are three main types of solar radiation. One is x-ray radiation which is high energy solar flare eruptions and the other is CME which stands for coronal mass ejection, the last is standard sunlight, which contains both visible and beyond visible light waves from the sun.

The current narrative from the world governments which may be driven by the UN is misleading at best and appears suspicious. First they say the emissions from cars is insulating the atmosphere causing the sunlight to be trapped and heating the earth's atmosphere. A simple doctors office or hospital visit with O2 checks on your oxygen blood saturation reveals that is not a problem at all. We all go to the doctors and they test how much oxygen is in your blood, recently and over the years I have been to the doctors office and always came back perfect. Which that deceptive narrative from the UN and world governments it would be different at the doctors office and a problem for oxygen levels in your blood. CO2 emission from animals on the planet and cars is heavier than oxygen in the air and would stay in the low atmosphere which you would be breathing. That would be damaging to human and animal life on the planet.

Back to the solar radiation. We know on a hot day that sunlight is warm. And that is heat energy and relates to the warmth of a surface, like the skin, that it impacts on earth. The other types of radiation carry tremendously more energy than visible sunlight. Such as x-ray, gamma ray and high energy protons. The energy of the high energy protons can exceed 100MeV as indicated by readouts at the space weather now website in the GOES proton flux (Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center). And that is a tremendous amount of energy from the proton radiation. Those various types of radiation have enough energy to impact atoms and molecules within the atmosphere causing what we see as aurora borealis shows in the sky at night. Those aurora borealis are visible at night and often can't be seen during sunlight.

All this means is that the atmosphere is absorbing more radiation energy from the sun than what is disclosed to the common person who might be tricked into believing in global warming associated with gas emissions. The solar storms are periodic and occur at various times and with all that energy absorbed by the atmosphere it would definitely have an effect on weather. And that is the probably source of what they are claiming is global warming, which would be atmospheric extremes in weather.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Some scientists may argue that the overall amount of higher than visible spectrum radiation from the sun might not be enough to effect weather and argue that it is a small drop in the bucket of water as far is the total amount of weather altering radiation. The high energy ration like x-rays, gamma rays and high energy protons is clearly enough to cause glowing of the atmosphere at night. And the glowing is just a tiny portion of the energy absorbed by those high energy emissions from the sun.

Any professional scientist arguing against solar radiation as the cause of the global warming weather problems makes me suspicious that they are hiding some agenda of their country for some mysterious reason. And that should be investigated.

 

[lforrest]

The concentration of O2 in the atmosphere compared to CO2 makes the difference negligible. Oxygen is 21% while CO2 is something like 0.04%. Granted CO2 has doubled since entering the industrial age it is still not much.

But consider all plant life grows using carbon from the air using that small concentration of CO2.

The TLV for CO2 is 5000ppm, this is considered safe to breath for a lifetime. Standard concentrations are 400ppm so it would need to be 12 times higher to really be noticable.

 

[Raccoon1010]

The concentration of O2 in the atmosphere compared to CO2 makes the difference negligible. Oxygen is 21% while CO2 is something like 0.04%. Granted CO2 has doubled since entering the industrial age it is still not much.

But consider all plant life grows using carbon from the air using that small concentration of CO2.

The TLV for CO2 is 5000ppm, this is considered safe to breath for a lifetime. Standard concentrations are 400ppm so it would need to be 12 times higher to really be noticable.

I wasn't so concerned about CO2 levels as my oxygen levels were perfect recently at the doctors office. The CO2 levels would be a complex calculation in an advanced simulation of a computer with software that probably would occupy an enormous facility and run by a large amount of people. And it would probably take that to investigate the effects on weather conditions.

The "green house gas effect" as it was described to me years ago on the internet was the idea that gases can form an insulator high in the atmosphere and trap the radiant heat from the sun rays under it. The idea I got was the normal breathable atmosphere sits low to the surface, while the insulating fossil fuel gases were high in the atmosphere creating an insulating shell for the normal atmosphere to conduct the global warming.

After learning of the heavier weight of CO2 as opposed to oxygen and nitrogen which make up the breathable atmosphere, it became clear that CO2 would sink to the bottom of the breathable layer near the surface and not even create the higher atmosphere insulating shell to trap the sun rays heat. I think they were promoting that the sun ray heat would build up between the insulating high atmosphere fossil fuel gases and the surface of the earth.

Normally at night after the sun goes down and even while the sun is warming the atmosphere and surface of the earth, there is natural loss of heat which is phonon waves and called radiation the escapes the atmosphere. There is a natural law discovered for heat conduction, it normally flows from hot regions to cold, and the space outside the earth is basically a zero temperature kelvin environment depending on conditions and proximity of radiating bodies of mass like the sun, moon and earth.

For the laws of Thermodynamics that describe how heat energy called phonon wave radiation conducts see the following description: Laws of thermodynamics - Wikipedia

 

[Pathfinder7]

For the laws of Thermodynamics that describe how heat energy called phonon wave radiation conducts see the following description: Laws of thermodynamics - Wikipedia

I remember.. studying 'Laws of Thermodynamics'..
- many years ago (in college/physics course)
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'The Second Law of Thermodynamics' is interesting..
- It is based on "universal empirical observation concerning
heat and energy intercoversions".

 

[Raccoon1010]

I remember.. studying 'Laws of Thermodynamics'..
- many years ago (in college/physics course)
---
'The Second Law of Thermodynamics' is interesting..
- It is based on "universal empirical observation concerning
heat and energy intercoversions".

Fun topics for me, I do love physics and the study of nature. There is also biologic nature like DNA lifeforms of Jesus' creations. But my favorite study is basic physics. :)

 

[lforrest]

I wasn't so concerned about CO2 levels as my oxygen levels were perfect recently at the doctors office. The CO2 levels would be a complex calculation in an advanced simulation of a computer with software that probably would occupy an enormous facility and run by a large amount of people. And it would probably take that to investigate the effects on weather conditions.

The "green house gas effect" as it was described to me years ago on the internet was the idea that gases can form an insulator high in the atmosphere and trap the radiant heat from the sun rays under it. The idea I got was the normal breathable atmosphere sits low to the surface, while the insulating fossil fuel gases were high in the atmosphere creating an insulating shell for the normal atmosphere to conduct the global warming.

After learning of the heavier weight of CO2 as opposed to oxygen and nitrogen which make up the breathable atmosphere, it became clear that CO2 would sink to the bottom of the breathable layer near the surface and not even create the higher atmosphere insulating shell to trap the sun rays heat. I think they were promoting that the sun ray heat would build up between the insulating high atmosphere fossil fuel gases and the surface of the earth.

Normally at night after the sun goes down and even while the sun is warming the atmosphere and surface of the earth, there is natural loss of heat which is phonon waves and called radiation the escapes the atmosphere. There is a natural law discovered for heat conduction, it normally flows from hot regions to cold, and the space outside the earth is basically a zero temperature kelvin environment depending on conditions and proximity of radiating bodies of mass like the sun, moon and earth.

For the laws of Thermodynamics that describe how heat energy called phonon wave radiation conducts see the following description: Laws of thermodynamics - Wikipedia

So blackbody radiation is the only cooling effect in what is otherwise a closed system. This would be light in the IR spectrum at around 10um

And sunlight as it makes its way to earth and whatever is reflected back into space is reduced resulting in more net heating of the air. And this would be light all over the spectrum.

I'm more familiar with solids, but does absorbtivity also apply to gasses? So if it is 0 the light goes through and 1 it gets absorbed, and then there are different absorbtivity coefficients for different gasses at various wavelengths of light.

Google Image Result for https://www.ces.fau.edu/ces/nasa/images/Energy/GHGAbsoprtionSpectrum.jpg

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But this picture shows the absorptivity of CO2 is much less than oxygen in general. Also note that O2 absorbs a lot of UV radiation, and also some IR in the 10 um range which is blackbody radiation at room temperature. Then compare that to CO2, it doesn't absorb much. So I'm confused how CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas but oxygen isn't.

 

[lforrest]

I guess the factors of the emission spectrum for the sun and the emission spectrum for the earth need to be factored in. It can be demonstrated that cities are usually much warmer than the countryside.

My gut tells me O2 is more significant and increases in total oxygen would likely result in more absorption of light from the sun In the lower wavelengths, which contains more energy.

 

[Raccoon1010]

So blackbody radiation is the only cooling effect in what is otherwise a closed system. This would be light in the IR spectrum at around 10um

And sunlight as it makes its way to earth and whatever is reflected back into space is reduced resulting in more net heating of the air. And this would be light all over the spectrum.

I'm more familiar with solids, but does absorbtivity also apply to gasses? So if it is 0 the light goes through and 1 it gets absorbed, and then there are different absorbtivity coefficients for different gasses at various wavelengths of light.

Google Image Result for https://www.ces.fau.edu/ces/nasa/images/Energy/GHGAbsoprtionSpectrum.jpg

images.app.goo.gl

But this picture shows the absorptivity of CO2 is much less than oxygen in general. Also note that O2 absorbs a lot of UV radiation, and also some IR in the 10 um range which is blackbody radiation at room temperature. Then compare that to CO2, it doesn't absorb much. So I'm confused how CO2 is considered a greenhouse gas but oxygen isn't.

Any material in any phase (solid, liquid or gas, and beyond which is plasma) can store an amount of thermal energy called the specific heat capacity of that material. And depending on the material characteristics it will achieve a certain temperature related to the thermal heat its stored and that varies depending on the material. It is important to note that light and heat which come in the form of radiation from the sun are connected very closely.

The article you posted might be seen as misleading regarding the real issue of a broad spectrum of visible and invisible light from the sun, which causes phonon production in the materials of the atmosphere, earth oceans and surface. I wouldn't myself fall short and assume that only visible light and UV effects the atmosphere. The sun is a hydrogen fission-fusion reaction that emits many light spectrum photons. There is gamma, x-ray as normal radiation components which is affected by solar flares when the intensity is much greater. There is also coronal mass ejections which include high energy protons. And many other photon energies I have not described. All of those have the potential to impact the material of the earth and be absorbed. Including the atmosphere, oceans and surface with penetration to some depth before the photon energy is absorbed by impacted molecules and atoms.

For the other readers in a brief description of what @lforrest and I are discussing. That might give some people some insight into how things happen related to global warming ideas:

There is a broad spectrum of energy radiated from the hydrogen based fusion reaction that is the sun as we know it. Some is visible and a tiny amount might be infra red that is commonly felt by humans as a heat sensation. All of that radiation is directed with a spherical inverse falloff from the sun source that strikes the earth from that distance and may be deflected into intensities that vary depending on location of the surface, which is somewhat controlled by the geomagnetic fields surrounding the earth. There is a nice readout from sensor satellites high in orbit above the earth here: Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center That might be fun to look at as it also attempts to predict aurora borealis that can be seen from locations on the earth during low light conditions like night time. If the energy of the radiation spectrum is high enough it can cause the electrons to get knocked out of the atmospheric gas molecules via the photoelectric effect and when the electrons settle back into their respective orbitals they give off a photon emission which causes the atmospheric gases to glow.

Some of the broad spectral radiation from the sun is reflect from the atmosphere which lights up the clouds and sky as blue. It appears to be a reflection area from the clouds and surface if viewed from outside the earth like locations we see in Space Station pictures. And people on the surface look up into the sky and see reflected light bouncing off the clouds from the surface. The idea is that the light bounces all around and reflects many times from atmosphere to surface like a trapped light radiation.

The concern regarding global warming is how much spectral energy is absorbed by the atmosphere. And penetration, deflection, reflections and absorbtion of the atmosphere and surface all depend on spectrum and type of radiation that the sun emits. There is many spectral energies like x-ray, gamma rays, high energy proton particles which are all invisible to the human eye, but transfer their energy into the earth's molecules.

The phonon or photon (phonon being used to describe thermal wave particles and photon being used for the photon particle itself which is any wave spectrum of what we call light). So there is light and heat which might eventually escape the earth thru the various laws of physics, one of which is the thermodynamic laws. And then radiate into space releasing some of the light and heat the earth has absorbed. Light and heat are both produced when solar radiation is absorbed by the planet and probably might be considered the same in many ways.

 

[lforrest]

Any material in any phase (solid, liquid or gas, and beyond which is plasma) can store an amount of thermal energy called the specific heat capacity of that material. And depending on the material characteristics it will achieve a certain temperature related to the thermal heat its stored and that varies depending on the material. It is important to note that light and heat which come in the form of radiation from the sun are connected very closely.

The article you posted might be seen as misleading regarding the real issue of a broad spectrum of visible and invisible light from the sun, which causes phonon production in the materials of the atmosphere, earth oceans and surface. I wouldn't myself fall short and assume that only visible light and UV effects the atmosphere. The sun is a hydrogen fission-fusion reaction that emits many light spectrum photons. There is gamma, x-ray as normal radiation components which is affected by solar flares when the intensity is much greater. There is also coronal mass ejections which include high energy protons. And many other photon energies I have not described. All of those have the potential to impact the material of the earth and be absorbed. Including the atmosphere, oceans and surface with penetration to some depth before the photon energy is absorbed by impacted molecules and atoms.

For the other readers in a brief description of what @lforrest and I are discussing. That might give some people some insight into how things happen related to global warming ideas:

There is a broad spectrum of energy radiated from the hydrogen based fusion reaction that is the sun as we know it. Some is visible and a tiny amount might be infra red that is commonly felt by humans as a heat sensation. All of that radiation is directed with a spherical inverse falloff from the sun source that strikes the earth from that distance and may be deflected into intensities that vary depending on location of the surface, which is somewhat controlled by the geomagnetic fields surrounding the earth. There is a nice readout from sensor satellites high in orbit above the earth here: Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center That might be fun to look at as it also attempts to predict aurora borealis that can be seen from locations on the earth during low light conditions like night time. If the energy of the radiation spectrum is high enough it can cause the electrons to get knocked out of the atmospheric gas molecules via the photoelectric effect and when the electrons settle back into their respective orbitals they give off a photon emission which causes the atmospheric gases to glow.

Some of the broad spectral radiation from the sun is reflect from the atmosphere which lights up the clouds and sky as blue. It appears to be a reflection area from the clouds and surface if viewed from outside the earth like locations we see in Space Station pictures. And people on the surface look up into the sky and see reflected light bouncing off the clouds from the surface. The idea is that the light bounces all around and reflects many times from atmosphere to surface like a trapped light radiation.

The concern regarding global warming is how much spectral energy is absorbed by the atmosphere. And penetration, deflection, reflections and absorbtion of the atmosphere and surface all depend on spectrum and type of radiation that the sun emits. There is many spectral energies like x-ray, gamma rays, high energy proton particles which are all invisible to the human eye, but transfer their energy into the earth's molecules.

The phonon or photon (phonon being used to describe thermal wave particles and photon being used for the photon particle itself which is any wave spectrum of what we call light). So there is light and heat which might eventually escape the earth thru the various laws of physics, one of which is the thermodynamic laws. And then radiate into space releasing some of the light and heat the earth has absorbed. Light and heat are both produced when solar radiation is absorbed by the planet and probably might be considered the same in many ways.

So it sounds like it is more complicated than can be done empirically, and you would need a complex simulation.

Has there been an experiment performed using laser light reflected off of a mirror in space? You could see how much of each wavelength was absorbed by the atmosphere. Perhaps a profile for atmospheric absorption of light could be determined with greater accuracy based on the kinds of lasers used for the experiment.

 

[Raccoon1010]

So it sounds like it is more complicated than can be done empirically, and you would need a complex simulation.

Has there been an experiment performed using laser light reflected off of a mirror in space? You could see how much of each wavelength was absorbed by the atmosphere. Perhaps a profile for atmospheric absorption of light could be determined with greater accuracy based on the kinds of lasers used for the experiment.

Yes you definitely got what I thought was the idea of complex simulators that might be currently impossible to create.

With the idea of LASER light shot into space and reflected back, there are some areas of weapons development like Navy LASER's designed to take down missiles aimed at the vessels. There was an interesting article on the subject I found a while back about the problem of atmospheric distortions in the straight LASER path. There is a concept in physics that says the speed of light thru a medium varies, like gases, liquids and even solids for sound waves, and if there are variations in the speed light throughout an atmosphere it becomes difficult to hit the target because the laser path with bend along the way.

They also have anti satellite systems that penetrate from the ground into space to target satellites that pose a threat to our countries.

 

[lforrest]

Google says that Global O2 concentrations have been decreasing slowly due to combustion and deforestation. Changing by 0.1% in the last 100 years, so when we are considering the affect of global warming from CO2 it is offset by this decrease in oxygen.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Google says that Global O2 concentrations have been decreasing slowly due to combustion and deforestation. Changing by 0.1% in the last 100 years, so when we are considering the affect of global warming from CO2 it is offset by this decrease in oxygen.

Thank you for addressing that issue. CO2 concentration level in the atmosphere should stay near the surface of the planet, and it does get converted into oxygen thru Photosynthesis of plant life. Plant life comes in many forms thru forests, plankton and algae in water bodies. In fact I did a search some time ago to get an idea of what scientists believe is the percentage of which type of plant is used by the earth to convert CO2 to oxygen.

From United Nations:

"The ocean generates 50 percent of the oxygen we need, absorbs 25 percent of all carbon dioxide emissions and captures 90 percent of the excess heat generated by these emissions." percentage of CO2 to o2 from oceans - Google Search

From the NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration):

"The ocean absorbs about 30% of the carbon dioxide (CO2) that is released in the atmosphere." ... "It’s important to remember that although the ocean produces at least 50% of the oxygen on Earth, roughly the same amount is consumed by marine life."

Ocean acidification

How much oxygen comes from the ocean?

Well these are all interesting ideas from scientists. But I still have perfect O2 levels at the doctors office with blood O2 sensors. So if the O2 or CO2 levels are adjusting it doesn't really matter to human life anyways. Which also makes me consider marine life and animals are safe as well.

The NOAA did bring up an interesting point which is the PH of the oceans water. They did an interesting article in the first link above for the NOAA section. And that might lead problems for harvesting fish for human consumption and diet.

Funny thing is this: If global warming is true, then animal and human life may be harmed, but eventually the plant life would continue without us and re-establish normal oxygen levels.

 

[Wynona]

If it's solar radiation and not fossil fuels, maybe these global elites can stop making it harder for farmers to do their jobs.