The social gospel?

[VictoryinJesus]

I saw that movie, Russell Crowe, right? Horrible movie! And at the end the nephilim are redeemed and turned into angels, horrible theology! not that a being might be restored, but that they portray this directly against the Bible.

Much love!

That’s the one.

 

[Ritajanice]

I did suggest the same to him. I have no control over either of you. Its a suggestion that I think would help everyone.

I dont control anyone. People will do as they please. Its my wish that this arguing would stop. But it could easily be wiser for me to just to ignore it from this point having said what I wanted.

Indeed you don’t.

I think it maybe calming..

I mean we’ve all had our moments of losing the plot so to speak, I know you have and if I remember right the member you had the spat with.... was banned for a month.

I remember that thread well...so imo, it’s good to remind each of ourselves of the plank in our own eye...before commenting on the speck in another’s eye..

 

[Wynona]

Indeed you don’t.

I think it’s maybe calming..

I mean we’ve all had our moments of losing the plot so to speak, I know you have and if I remember right the member you had the spat with.... was banned for a month.

I remember that thread well...so imo, it’s good to remind each of the plank in our own eye...before commenting on the speck in another’s eye..

You are indeed right. I hope you know I love you, Sis.

May God bless every area of your life mightily in Jesus' name.

 

[marks]

That post was beautiful @marks!

I heard a few days ago that those who have recovered from cPTSD are going to be the ones that the world is seeking for in these times. I do believe that, going by the amount of growth in emotional intelligence I have seen develop in myself just in a few weeks.

Most of my life I didn't remember much from my childhood, mostly there were snapshot memories without context, some seemed just odd, some were of the bad times, not much made a lot of sense. A couple of years ago, over the course of a weekend, access to my emotional memory was restored. All these memories came flooding in, and contexualized all these things I could never understand. This opened the door for me to see some of that growth of emotional intelligence, or EQ.

It's amazing when these comes come, and we can experience that surge in growth! Exciting and encouraging!

I have been on the healing journey for 21 years now after an abusive marriage from which I had to flee for my life. I became a psychologist lol

But this last journey of a month or two is bringing out all of the effects of my childhood that I had not idea about.

My younger sister got here Masters degree in Attachment Disorder. We don't have to guess why!

For me, learning about myself, and why I do the things I do, what drives me . . . actually, it was learning about Repetition Compulsion . . . that these inner forces pushing me so hard were nothing more than brain formation deficits and neurotransmitter deficits, that is was just a biological recipe set so many years ago that was making my life impossible . . . when I learned about that, I entered a very deep depression that lasted at it's worst about 5 weeks.

In the midst of it I had to ask God the tough questions, why, why, and why? But He had moved my heart a couple of months before to read/listen to Ecclesiastes, over and over. I read it 2-3 times a day more on the weekends, and listened to it in my car, while I was at work, I took it in maybe 6,7,8 times a day for over a month.

When those questions came, the answers came straight from Ecclesiastes, and this was one of the things that carried me through. And there was also a time of equal length where God stilled my flesh. These things were powerful in me to get me through it.

I had my spiritual pathway well set before all of this though, taking me through parched deserts and hell often.

"I don't see the faith of Christ as something He withholds, rather, I understand that in becoming born again, we are united to God, that Jesus lives in us, actually sharing His life with us."

I did go though a time when He seemed to have deserted, though of course it was not so but produced fruit and I think Him for that time. We learn so much more from suffering than times of comfort. He truly brought me to the end of myself and I will never trust in my own understanding again.

When He works under the floorboards, is how I think of it. I feel like He's gone through all the aspects of my life, my marriage, my finances, my health, my mind, He's taken each apart in turn, I'm still being put back together. I'm with you. This has taught me to not rely upon or trust myself for anything!

I would like to think there are those who do not need to suffer to grow, but it certainly is effective!

These consolations are often withdrawn, and a state of desolation ensues, and then the passive purification of the senses begins.

How true this is and what a blessed thing to know it. Whenever I have a trial I only have to remember that God is never wrong, I have often been very wrong to keep me on the path.

One of my most dear promises from God:

Hebrews 12:10-11 KJV
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

I rely on Him to do what is required to get me where I need to be. I do my best to cooperate, but I know if I fail, He will not.

He has shown me recently that cPTSD is actual brain damage that can be healed sometimes very quickly and that has been a great encouragement to me and to you I hope. Thank you brother.

Yes, I've followed the research on this quite a bit, learning this has helped me a lot.

Something else, though . . . the spirit does not live in, nor is dependant upon the brain. The soul lives there, but my spirit lives in Christ, and therefore is not bound by the damage done to the brain.

I liken my state to a man driving a wrecked car. It pulls to one side, badly. The brakes barely work. It's hard to control, and hard to arrive at my destination. But I'm getting better at handling it, the hard steering is building my muscles, and I've even been able to make a few repairs.

But my spirit . . . in my analogy . . . has wings, so the damage to the car doesn't matter. I just need to keep in my mind that God has given me wings to fly, even when the wrecked car is blasting it's horn, flashing it's light, bursting into flames . . . anyway, just an analogy.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Wow RJ now you are telling staff what to do.Unbelievable.

You also notice it appears she thinks the staff was just talking to One of us not both of us.. The bam shift continues.

Thats why I was praying some people would help her.. Unless more than one person shows someone they are in error. it usually becomes a he said she said.

we all are guilty. But one of us can not admit it

 

[Ritajanice]

You also notice it appears she thinks the staff was just talking to One of us not both of us.. The bam shift continues.

Thats why I was praying some people would help her.. Unless more than one person shows someone they are in error. it usually becomes a he said she said.

we all are guilty. But one of us can not admit it

As I said it’s you who needs helping.

You can’t even explain what it means to Born Of God’s seed.

Then has the audacity to rebuke his penned word...which obviously has the backing of Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit.

You don’t even know who he is...
Ye who lacks spiritual understanding and spiritual knowledge on such matters...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I love the chosen, While I know they have taken liberties, I think it shows the humanity of not only Jesus but the disciples.

Unlike Noah (I looked forward to that, then read reviews and passed). I have yet to see anything against the word of god.. I am waiting to watch the last season. My group wants to do it all at once this winter..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I rest my case.. nothing further needs said..

 

[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 2:10 Context​

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Most of my life I didn't remember much from my childhood, mostly there were snapshot memories without context, some seemed just odd, some were of the bad times, not much made a lot of sense. A couple of years ago, over the course of a weekend, access to my emotional memory was restored. All these memories came flooding in, and contexualized all these things I could never understand. This opened the door for me to see some of that growth of emotional intelligence, or EQ.

It's amazing when these comes come, and we can experience that surge in growth! Exciting and encouraging!


My younger sister got here Masters degree in Attachment Disorder. We don't have to guess why!

For me, learning about myself, and why I do the things I do, what drives me . . . actually, it was learning about Repetition Compulsion . . . that these inner forces pushing me so hard were nothing more than brain formation deficits and neurotransmitter deficits, that is was just a biological recipe set so many years ago that was making my life impossible . . . when I learned about that, I entered a very deep depression that lasted at it's worst about 5 weeks.

In the midst of it I had to ask God the tough questions, why, why, and why? But He had moved my heart a couple of months before to read/listen to Ecclesiastes, over and over. I read it 2-3 times a day more on the weekends, and listened to it in my car, while I was at work, I took it in maybe 6,7,8 times a day for over a month.

When those questions came, the answers came straight from Ecclesiastes, and this was one of the things that carried me through. And there was also a time of equal length where God stilled my flesh. These things were powerful in me to get me through it.

When He works under the floorboards, is how I think of it. I feel like He's gone through all the aspects of my life, my marriage, my finances, my health, my mind, He's taken each apart in turn, I'm still being put back together. I'm with you. This has taught me to not rely upon or trust myself for anything!

I would like to think there are those who do not need to suffer to grow, but it certainly is effective!

One of my most dear promises from God:

Hebrews 12:10-11 KJV
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

I rely on Him to do what is required to get me where I need to be. I do my best to cooperate, but I know if I fail, He will not.


Yes, I've followed the research on this quite a bit, learning this has helped me a lot.

Something else, though . . . the spirit does not live in, nor is dependant upon the brain. The soul lives there, but my spirit lives in Christ, and therefore is not bound by the damage done to the brain.

I liken my state to a man driving a wrecked car. It pulls to one side, badly. The brakes barely work. It's hard to control, and hard to arrive at my destination. But I'm getting better at handling it, the hard steering is building my muscles, and I've even been able to make a few repairs.

But my spirit . . . in my analogy . . . has wings, so the damage to the car doesn't matter. I just need to keep in my mind that God has given me wings to fly, even when the wrecked car is blasting it's horn, flashing it's light, bursting into flames . . . anyway, just an analogy.

Much love!

There are times I look at my childhood in sadness.

I left hime and legalistic system and felt I was free. And left and did some bad things,, and took my freedoms for granted.

I pray and so wish I actually was taught more grace and taught the love of God. And less hellfire and brimstone

 

[marks]

There are times I look at my childhood in sadness.

I left hime and legalistic system and felt I was free. And left and did some bad things,, and took my freedoms for granted.

I pray and so wish I actually was taught more grace and taught the love of God. And less hellfire and brimstone

Yep! It's the kindness of God that draws us to repentance.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

To me the matter is of the heart. If someone is vicariously enjoying the violence, that is for God to say, and for the person to know about them self, but it's not for others to judge, in my estimation.

If a person acknowledges such, that's another matter.

Romans 1:32 KJV
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It's not a good thing.

We only have a certain few recorded conversations Jesus had with unbelievers, and with those who were seeking. It seems to me He very quickly turned these conversations to spiritual matters. Paul of course used boxing as an analogy for having spiritual discipline so there is a natural seque to spiritual things in this particular situation.

Much love!

Hi Marks,
I agree with you 110%. I tend to always say something to initiate a spiritual conversation. I think I assumed that Heptibah took issue with even speaking with a boxer. I may have been mistaken on that as I am not a follower of this thread. Perhaps, I spoke out of turn. I'm not sure but if I did and he did not mean that then I apologize.

 

[marks]

I tend to always say something to initiate a spiritual conversation.

I like to do that also. In my work I often have occasion to speak with delivery drivers, and sale reps from vendors. It's always a joy to be able to turn a conversation to spiritual things. I've discovered many people I come across are Christians, and I've had occasion to share with many who are not.

And I'd like to see more of that in my life!!

Much love!

 

[PS95]

I like to do that also. In my work I often have occasion to speak with delivery drivers, and sale reps from vendors. It's always a joy to be able to turn a conversation to spiritual things. I've discovered many people I come across are Christians, and I've had occasion to share with many who are not.

And I'd like to see more of that in my life!!

Much love!

I agree!

 

[marks]

I pray and so wish I actually was taught more grace and taught the love of God.

When I was first born again I sat under Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, who, while teaching all the way through the Bible, did not short change grace and love. Then when I was in my 40's I spent 12 years with a pastor, his name also was Mark, he was the most loving man I've known, and he taught me about love in his teaching and his life. I am very blessed in this way!

Much love!

 

[marks]

I love the chosen, While I know they have taken liberties, I think it shows the humanity of not only Jesus but the disciples.

Unlike Noah (I looked forward to that, then read reviews and passed). I have yet to see anything against the word of god.. I am waiting to watch the last season. My group wants to do it all at once this winter..

Wasn't there a guy who Jesus wouldn't heal? I've only watched the first 20 minute pilot, and a couple of snippets from a couple of episodes. I've read synopses for a few of the shows, that's it.

Jesus refusing to heal someone is a much different Jesus than is written in the Gospels. Jesus healed and cast out demons from all who came to Him. This is emphasized several times.

Part of the culture of the day would be the fact that in 3 short years Jesus single-handedly removed a great deal even maybe nearly all of disease and defects and delivering many many demon possessed.

Anyone of the day would be forced to look around and know absolutely that something fantastic was occurring.

If they've invented a character who has come to Jesus whom Jesus refused to heal, just that is a deal breaker for me. But I understand there is more to it, like Peter's history of tax problems, I have no idea what else. Oh, the miracle of the wine in Cana, that's one of the clips I saw. They invented their own story, and pass it off as what happened.

Did you know that medical science, "they" say that video memory is stored in the brain in the exact same way as visual memory? That's why, "they" say, porn causes men to objectify women, because they are affected by what they see, as the brain blends it together. And violent movies desensitize to violence, for the same reason, it normalizes violence in the mind, blending these memories with our memories of the day.

Naturally you will remember that this was a movie, when you think about that, just the same, the brain is storing and cross referencing and accessing these memories in the very same way as personal visual memory.

Much love!

 

[Hepzibah]

Most of my life I didn't remember much from my childhood, mostly there were snapshot memories without context, some seemed just odd, some were of the bad times, not much made a lot of sense. A couple of years ago, over the course of a weekend, access to my emotional memory was restored. All these memories came flooding in, and contexualized all these things I could never understand. This opened the door for me to see some of that growth of emotional intelligence, or EQ.

It's amazing when these comes come, and we can experience that surge in growth! Exciting and encouraging!


My younger sister got here Masters degree in Attachment Disorder. We don't have to guess why!

For me, learning about myself, and why I do the things I do, what drives me . . . actually, it was learning about Repetition Compulsion . . . that these inner forces pushing me so hard were nothing more than brain formation deficits and neurotransmitter deficits, that is was just a biological recipe set so many years ago that was making my life impossible . . . when I learned about that, I entered a very deep depression that lasted at it's worst about 5 weeks.

In the midst of it I had to ask God the tough questions, why, why, and why? But He had moved my heart a couple of months before to read/listen to Ecclesiastes, over and over. I read it 2-3 times a day more on the weekends, and listened to it in my car, while I was at work, I took it in maybe 6,7,8 times a day for over a month.

When those questions came, the answers came straight from Ecclesiastes, and this was one of the things that carried me through. And there was also a time of equal length where God stilled my flesh. These things were powerful in me to get me through it.

When He works under the floorboards, is how I think of it. I feel like He's gone through all the aspects of my life, my marriage, my finances, my health, my mind, He's taken each apart in turn, I'm still being put back together. I'm with you. This has taught me to not rely upon or trust myself for anything!

I would like to think there are those who do not need to suffer to grow, but it certainly is effective!

One of my most dear promises from God:

Hebrews 12:10-11 KJV
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

I rely on Him to do what is required to get me where I need to be. I do my best to cooperate, but I know if I fail, He will not.


Yes, I've followed the research on this quite a bit, learning this has helped me a lot.

Something else, though . . . the spirit does not live in, nor is dependant upon the brain. The soul lives there, but my spirit lives in Christ, and therefore is not bound by the damage done to the brain.

I liken my state to a man driving a wrecked car. It pulls to one side, badly. The brakes barely work. It's hard to control, and hard to arrive at my destination. But I'm getting better at handling it, the hard steering is building my muscles, and I've even been able to make a few repairs.

But my spirit . . . in my analogy . . . has wings, so the damage to the car doesn't matter. I just need to keep in my mind that God has given me wings to fly, even when the wrecked car is blasting it's horn, flashing it's light, bursting into flames . . . anyway, just an analogy.

Much love!

"Most of my life I didn't remember much from my childhood, mostly there were snapshot memories without context, some seemed just odd, some were of the bad times, not much made a lot of sense. A couple of years ago, over the course of a weekend, access to my emotional memory was restored. All these memories came flooding in, and contexualized all these things I could never understand. This opened the door for me to see some of that growth of emotional intelligence, or EQ."

I am the same - snapshot memories maybe one or two events a year, sometimes none. That is great that you had your emotional memory restored! I would love to have that especially during a period in hospital when I was an infant and feel something bad happened there. I have not been thinking about the emotional memory bit but that is so important, is it not. Working out the family dynamics has helped me get the jigsaw together.

"It's amazing when these comes come, and we can experience that surge in growth! Exciting and encouraging!"

It sure is! The first few weeks when I had all of this come out, I was a different person every day almost but it has settled down now and I guess I am in for the long slog. Two sources of therapy lined up now though. I am so grateful for the immense amount of information for free on youtube from these psychologists and coaches.

"My younger sister got here Masters degree in Attachment Disorder. We don't have to guess why!"

Yes quite! I did mine in the university of internet forums.

"In the midst of it I had to ask God the tough questions, why, why, and why?"

Yes I went through that for a long time. Why did He not give me needed information that would have prevented some terrible decisions or warned me of things that could have prevented me losing my health? Especially when I was doing everything to help myself with clean diet, no alcohol, nutritional study, even studying metabolic pathways to repair the damage done by mercury. Now I have no questions, and trust Him 100% but have been face down in the dust a few times to get here.

" The soul lives there, but my spirit lives in Christ, and therefore is not bound by the damage done to the brain."

Yes I am amazed by this and the way I can read theology and feed my spirit with scripture without tiring. Everything else takes a huge effort.

Great verses you quoted. I was introduced to the 'deeper life' by finding Oswald Chambers and went on from there, seeking the crucified life. It was easy in a way because I had nothing else in this life to distract me from the search.

Great analogy of a wrecked car and a spirit with wings! Thank you marks!

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.

The birth of a child of God​

Let me share a few more verses about this wonderful event — the birth of a child of God. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation…” (II Corinthians 5:17). That “new creation” is the impartation of spirit, the imperishable seed from the Father. “We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us” (I Corinthians 2:12). What a tremendous verse! The spirit which every believer has received is the spirit which is from God. This spirit is God’s gift to us, since it is “by grace you have been saved, through faith — not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).
“And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us” (Romans 5:5). Do you have that Holy Spirit? Yes, every child of God has been given the gift, the seed. And since you are a “partaker of the divine nature” (II Peter 1:4), then God can only give you that which He is — holy, eternal, perfect, powerful, unchangeable spirit. What a spiritual “gift package” the Father has given to us!
“Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’ So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir” (Galatians 4:6-7). Praise God; that thrills me. The Christ-life contains the family image and the right to the family wealth. Only the children share the family fortune (at least, in God’s kingdom). Now we are to take our position as sons and daughters. “How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!” (I John 3:1). Some people are still shocked when I declare that I am a son of God with power. But anything less is a denial of God’s provision through the death of Christ. I am no longer a servant, but a son.
“And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us… We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit” (I John 3:24; 4:13). Again and again, in the epistles addressed to the churches and in other epistles, the truth is boldly proclaimed, plainly stated, and never doubted, that every believer has been given God’s gift of spirit. “For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body — whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free — and we were all given the one Spirit to drink” (I Corinthians 12:13). We are one body, and our oneness comes from the fact that all believers were given the one spirit to drink, and thus have received, the one gift of spirit.
Perhaps you feel I am labouring this point, but I would remind you that countless Christians have been taught otherwise, unfortunately lessening the power and effectiveness of the new birth. Some teach that conversion is simply the moment when you make Jesus the Lord of your life, and that you need a second crisis experience to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, as they term it. On the other hand, some teach that every person has this “spark of divinity” in them and the new birth is simply the moment when you become aware of this. I believe both viewpoints are a “put down” of the work of Christ, and the very common former teaching forces believers into a works-conscious religion that inhibits the God-given potential for the more abundant life. I trust I have opened your mind to the possibility of what I find is a simpler, God-glorifying understanding of the new birth or conversion.
The basic truth that you should seriously consider is that the seed, the spirit in you, is perfect, permanent, and with potential. It is God’s gift that enables everyone who believes to become a child of God. “The gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

The experience known as the new birth has to be something more than just a ticket to the sky. Certainly one of the great aspects of becoming a child of God is the assurance that you will live eternally with the Father. But what about the life here on earth in the now? Has God simply put His seed in us, the Christ-life, and then left us to scrape through as best we can? Surely the Christ-life must include something in addition to the “ticket”.
Perhaps some of the greatness of the new birth can be seen in this statement in Ephesians 1:3, “Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.” Then are you blessed? Yes! And to what degree are you blessed? With “every spiritual blessing”. Do you need any more than this?
I admit that this is one of my favorite verses in the New Testament and I have been known to teach on it at length. I certainly do not believe in basing a doctrine on one verse, but this verse does stand out above many others on this subject. You are blessed with every spiritual blessing. If we can believe God’s Word in Romans 10:9-10, then why not believe His Word in Ephesians 1:3? When some well-meaning Christian tells me I need to receive “the gift of the Holy Spirit” or “the baptism of the Holy Spirit” or “the double portion” or “the second blessing”, I simply tell them I already have it! Either I am “blessed… with all spiritual blessing” or I am not blessed. And if I have it all, according to God’s Word, why should I waste my time and the Lord’s time asking for something I already have? It seems far simpler and more satisfying to believe what God has said.
So I boldly declare: “I am blessed with heaven’s best.” The careful reader will observe that there is no modifier of the word “every” (“all” KJV) in this verse, and it can then be considered as “all without exception”. There are no spiritual blessings that are now available that I do not have. I have “the gift of righteousness” (Romans 5 :17), I have “peace with God” (Romans 5:1), I have “the love of God” (Romans 5:5), I have “abundant provision of grace” (Romans 5:17), I have “the gift of… eternal life” (Romans 6:23), I have the “glorious freedom of the children of God” (Romans 8:21).

 

[Ritajanice]

Bible Verses about Self Centeredness​

• 2 Timothy 3:1-5
  But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
  
• Romans 8:7
  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
  
• Ephesians 2:1-3
  And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

 

[faithfulness]

Just for clarity...thought you were talking about the KJV vs KGB...understand now 'state religion' [Anglicanism] vs 'state security' KGB.

I laughed really good when I initially read "In the case of the KJV [not to be confused with the KGB]" but afterwards thought no, you were juxtaposing states [religious/federal]. Did I get it right the first time?

Bless you on your birthday today :)