Was Mary sinless?

[Truther]

Mary’s egg cell was used to create Jesus, making the son of man, his mother likewise had Adam’s fallen nature.
This means that Jesus could have sinned if he wanted to, but chose not to.
A sinner is not a sinner unless they sin.

 

[Truther]

Jesus was Mary’s biological son.

 

[Nephesh]

Now you are being a Catholic

If I were like you I'd say: "Now you are being a Protestant."

 

[Truther]

If I were like you I'd say: "Now you are being a Protestant."

Hahaha. Good one

 

[Nephesh]

Hahaha. Good one

And, hopefully I will never respond to you like that, just because you're not a Catholic.

 

[Truther]

But, I haven't and hopefully I will never respond to you like that, just because you're not a Catholic.

It was a joke

 

[Nephesh]

It was a joke

Oh I know, but there are people who say such things seriously, and I was just saying I don't want to speak like that to you, or anyone else.

 

[RedFan]

God as the Father not having a physical body doesn't change who Jesus is which is God, not only a human. Therefore, Mary more than just saw God, She contained God within Her body and spirit, gave birth to Him, kissed Him, hugged Him, fed Him, clothed Him, prayed for Him, witnessed His death, tended to His dead body, the list goes on.

Fair point, but with one rather obvious qualification: Whatever equal qualities of God He "emptied himself" of (Phil. 2:6-8) were not contained within her body and spirit, was not given birth to, did not get kissed or hugged or fed or clothed by her, etc.

 

[RedFan]

Oh I know, but there are people who say such things seriously, and I was just saying I don't want to speak like that to you, or anyone else.

I thought it was funny.

You revealed yourself as Catholic the moment you capitalized "Her" when referring to Mary. I don't think any Protestants do that.

 

[Truther]

Oh I know, but there are people who say such things seriously, and I was just saying I don't want to be one of them when speaking to you, or anyone else.

We all have to have a little fun while we’re conversing. Life’s full of stress and we’re just exchanging our opinions. It’s all good. Plus, on the Internet. People need to not take things a little too seriously when they feel like they are being insulted or something. I’m sure you agree.
I was in on some public debates with some friends that I’ve known for decades that change their belief system a little bit. When they would flip out in front of everybody and call people “heretics”, we would all look at them like… Really… Lol. Then they look at their self red faced as the group busts up laughing . It’s all good.

 

[Truther]

Fair point, but with one rather obvious qualification: Whatever equal qualities of God He "emptied himself" of (Phil. 2:6-8) were not contained within her body and spirit, was not given birth to, did not get kissed or hugged or fed or clothed by her, etc.

Philippians 2 has been greatly misunderstood. That was the sinless man Christ Jesus that humbled himself, not God Almighty.

 

[Truther]

There is no such thing as a humble God.

 

[Taken]

Still covering up what the reformers taught about Mary's sinlessness?? Still supporting a man made tradition that's less than 200 years old? I know the drill, "I don't follow the reformers, I follow the Bible!!" < the purest form of reformism.

You are not as clever as you think, with your making Statements, speaking FOR ME, then pretending you are “asking” a question…
LOL…old worn out deceptive trickery.

You are a reformer reforming the former reformists< theological chaos.

You are a Gaslighter!

Martin Luther invented "sola scriptura" but he also believed in Mary's perpetual virginity. So did Calvin. So did Zwingli.

Luther, Calvin, Zwingli…LOL
I don’t find their names in scripture.

I accept what has been consistently handed down for 2000 years.

Your having joined this Forum this year: Making declarations of your acceptance of Nameless Man-made teaching of 2,000 years ago … Making Accusations Against Forum members you do not know…
does not impress me.

You accept whatever you choose, including man made traditions from the 18th century.

True…I Do accept per my own Choice…

FYI… I Definitely Do Not accept the blathering of a Deceiver, False Accuser and Gaslighter!

Romans 3: (VUL)
23: omnes enim peccaverunt et egent gloriam Dei

 

[Taken]

Jude Thaddeus,

There you go, confusing them with historical facts and clear logic again.

Romans 3: (VUL)
23 omnes enim peccaverunt et egent gloriam Dei

 

[Nephesh]

We all have to have a little fun while we’re conversing. Life’s full of stress and we’re just exchanging our opinions. It’s all good. Plus, on the Internet. People need to not take things a little too seriously when they feel like they are being insulted or something. I’m sure you agree.
I was in on some public debates with some friends that I’ve known for decades that change their belief system a little bit. When they would flip out in front of everybody and call people “heretics”, we would all look at them like… Really… Lol. Then they look at their self red faced as the group busts up laughing . It’s all good.

I'm fine with jokes. I made a joke as well. I just wanted to add in all seriousness that I'm not a Catholic, or a person, who wants to ever speak to you in an insulting way just because you're not a Catholic. I see you as my brother not a "Protestant." I have the will to love you to the extreme by dying for you if it meant saving your life. I've read caustic comments from Catholics and non-Catholics, going so far as to "condemn" people to hell for believing this or that, and rejoice at the thought, simply because of what the other person claims to be in name. It's straight up uncharitable which flies in the face of what it means to be Christian. In this day and age, it's far easier to be careless about being cogniscant of what we say and how we say it, as well as misinterpret another's words, especially on the internet. A person can't always know just how they affected another for good or bad, and we should try to always aim for good with whomever we're engaging with.

 

[Augustin56]

Romans 3: (VUL)
23 omnes enim peccaverunt et egent gloriam Dei

Context, dear Taken, context. Most non-Catholics misinterpret Scripture because they unwittingly take things out of context.

Romans 3:23 is not to be taken in an absolute (NO exceptions) sense. All one need do is provide one exception to prove that. Yet, we can provide millions of exceptions. Besides Jesus and Mary, babies before the age of reason, who are incapable of committing sin are all exceptions. And not all babies get to grow up.

 

[Truther]

I'm fine with jokes. I made a joke as well. I just wanted to add in all seriousness that I'm not a Catholic, or a person, who wants to ever speak to you in an insulting way just because you're not a Catholic. I see you as my brother not a "Protestant." I have the will to love you to the extreme by dying for you if it meant saving your life. I've read caustic comments from Catholics and non-Catholics, going so far as to "condemn" people to hell for believing this or that, and rejoice at the thought, simply because of what the other person claims to be in name. It's straight up uncharitable which flies in the face of what it means to be Christian. In this day and age, it's far easier to be careless about being cogniscant of what we say and how we say it, as well as misinterpret another's words, especially on the internet. A person can't always know just how they affected another for good or bad, and we should try to always aim for good with whomever we're engaging with.

That’s so true. In most cases, I try to use short posts and not get emotional when called stuff. When I first started posting on other forums years ago I let certain guys get under my skin. Now, It’s water off a ducks back. It’s valuable because I teach at the church on how to witness and teach Bible studies. Gotta deal with controversy in that lifestyle.

 

[Jude Thaddeus]

You are not as clever as you think, with your making Statements, speaking FOR ME, then pretending you are “asking” a question…
LOL…old worn out deceptive trickery.

Proving you are (theologically) anti-Protestant is not deceptive trickery.

Luther, Calvin, Zwingli…LOL
I don’t find their names in scripture.

A stupid statement. Cars are not in scripture so by your reasoning, Christians shouldn't drive cars.

Your having joined this Forum this year: Making declarations of your acceptance of Nameless Man-made teaching of 2,000 years ago … Making Accusations Against Forum members you do not know…
does not impress me.

Your opposition to the founders of Protestantism doesn't impress Protestants.

True…I Do accept per my own Choice…

That's not in Scripture.

FYI… I Definitely Do Not accept the blathering of a Deceiver, False Accuser and Gaslighter!

Your only reply to the content of my posts is emotional reaction and insults. No discussion or intelligent comment.

 

[Nephesh]

When I first started posting on other forums years ago I let certain guys get under my skin.

Me too!

When I first started posting on other forums years ago I let certain guys get under my skin. Now, It’s water off a ducks back. It’s valuable because I teach at the church on how to witness and teach Bible studies. Gotta deal with controversy in that lifestyle.

God placed you in a position of great responsibility and influence on souls. A wise quote by Saint Francis of Assisi is, "Preach the Gospel at all times; when necessary use words." You not only can teach the Gospels in word and deed, but can remind your students that when they meet someone who they can't find commonality with on any or all beliefs, they do share the commonality of having a soul, a sign of God's Paternity, the spiritual blood that makes them both His children, and one another brothers and sisters in God. Therefore, God loves them both, as they are to love Him, and each other, without judgment. To persevere in love by being obedient to His Law unto death leads to eternal life with our Father in Heaven.

God be with you as a spiritual leader.

 

[Truther]

Me too!



You're in a position of great responsibility and influence on souls. A wise quote by Saint Francis of Assisi is, "Preach the Gospel at all times; when necessary use words." You not only teach the Gospels in word and deed, but can remind your students that when they meet someone who they can't find commonality with on any or all beliefs, they do share the commonality of having a soul, a sign of God's Paternity, the spiritual blood that makes them both His children, and one another brothers and sisters in God. Therefore, God loves them both, as they are to love Him, and each other, without judgment. To persevere in love by being obedient to His Law unto death leads to eternal life with our Father in Heaven.

God be with you as a spiritual leader.

Thank you