Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

[DJT_47]

"It all happens at the same time." ???

But you just wrote:

"This is subsequent to your belief." ???

The model in Acts chapter 2 falls apart as we continue through the book of Acts. IMHO

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

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The baptized believers in Samaria had not received the Holy Spirit. Why?
At the house of Cornelius the gentiles received the Holy Spirit while Peter was still preaching.
Then they were baptized.

The Apostle Paul received the Holy Spirit when Ananias )not an Apostle) laid hands on him.
Then he was baptized. The disciples in Ephesus received the Holy Spirit when Paul laid hands on them.
This was after they were re-baptized in Jesus' name.

All this to say that these things are unpredictable. There is no formula.

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Two anomalies in the falling of the Holy Ghost
One in Acts 2 and the other in Acts 10. In both instances, it fell unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands and in both cases it did so first a reason, it the norm. In Acts 10, it fell on the Gentiles as a sign. They still were not saved, not part of the body of Christ, and still in sin. They had to still be baptized into Christ. What's your point?

 

[DJT_47]

Paul wrote Galatians 1:8

Paul said that if you preach any other Gospel, then His, then there is a problem bearing down on you from up above that does not go away.

I'll let you research that, and i'll let you discover why Paul said that """"the Gospel He preaches was given to Him by JESUS, and not by any man.""""" (like Peter).

And i'll let you discover why Paul said this Gospel is "MY Gospel"...."" 3x""" in the NT.

Now, you will need to get a NT...so, just keep that in mind... as your online sites and your denominations commentaries that are teaching "water cult" (Catholic = baptismal regeneration)....., are not going to show You ..""Paul's Gospel."""

You'll need an Actual NT..... @DJT_47

Is "his" gospel a different one and not the gospel of Christ? Is there more than one gospel message that conflicts with 'others' in the bible? Before you answer, let me answer for you: NO! There are not conflicting gospels.

 

[St. SteVen]

What's your point?

Just what I wrote.

All this to say that these things are unpredictable. There is no formula.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? ​

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[DJT_47]

Just what I wrote.

All this to say that these things are unpredictable. There is no formula.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the aul, an apostle, laid his hands on them to​

Just what I wrote.

All this to say that these things are unpredictable. There is no formula.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?​

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It required the laying on of the hands of an apostle, which is why Peter and John were sent. They laid their hands on them enabling the manifestation of the Spirit. Read Acts 8:16-18. This is the falling of the Holy Ghost, its manifistasltion, not the indwelling of the Holy Ghost which everyone receives as per Acts 2:38. Two different things: the gift of the Holy Ghost itself indwelling in you, and its manifistasltion in the form of various spiritual gifts, those listed in 1Cor 12:8-10

 

[Ritajanice]

Just what I wrote.

All this to say that these things are unpredictable. There is no formula.

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?​

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Amen!!....becoming Born Again is an act of God...as you well know.

Gods Living witness the Holy Spirit, makes our spirit Born Again, it’s “ Mind Blowing “ when we become Born Again by the “ Living “ Holy Spirit “....

I remember your testimony well.....something you will NEVER forget, because it came from God’s Living witness, His Holy Spirit.

Praise God!!....Brother!.x

 

[DJT_47]

Amen!!....becoming Born Again is an act of God...as you well know.

Gods Living witness the Holy Spirit, makes our spirit Born Again, it’s “ Mind Blowing “ when we become Born Again by the “ Living “ Holy Spirit “....

I remember your testimony well.....something you will NEVER forget, because it came from God’s Living witness, His Holy Spirit.

Praise God!!....Brother!.x

Yes, a act of God but one that requires our doing something first by being obedient.

1. Belief and faith
2. Confession with the
mouth per Rom 10:9 as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8
3. Repentance as did the Jews in Acts 2:38
4. Baptism (immersion in water) for the remission of sins, also per Acts 2:38.

And then does God do his part.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, a act of God but one that requires our doing something first by being obedient.

Now you tell me how you would know how to be obedient before you have received the Living spiritual birth?

Do you know what that is?

1. Belief and faith
2. Confession with the
mouth per Rom 10:9 as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8
3. Repentance as did the Jews in Acts 2:38
4. Baptism (immersion in water) for the remission of sins, also per Acts 2:38.

And then does God do his part.

Nonsense....becoming Born Again is all of God...

If you think you play a part in becoming Born Again, think on.

Another thing, you don’t need to read any Bible to become Born Of The Spirit..

God brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow just as his word says.

Water plays no part in repentance, we are under the NT...

We are Born Again, our spirit is “ Born Again “...the written word can’t make your spirit Born Again ,only the Living Holy Spirit can birth our spirit into His.

 

[DJT_47]

Now you tell me how you would know how to be obedient before you have received the Living spiritual birth?

Do you know what that is?

Nonsense....becoming Born Again is all of God...

If you think you play a part in becoming Born Again, think on.

Another thing, you don’t need to read any Bible to become Born Of The Spirit..

God brings us to repentance/ Godly sorrow just as his word says.

Unfortunately, what you've described is contrary to God's word which is our only guide, but, believe what you like and trust in your own illogical logic.

Proverbs 14:12-16

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Ritajanice]

Unfortunately, what you've described is contrary to God's word which is our only guide, but, believe what you like and trust in your own illogical logic.

Afraid not....we are Born Again by the will of God...Biblical...everything I posted is biblical.

The Living Holy Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods child...I understand in the spirit, where does your understanding of the written word come from?

We are Born Again of imperishable seed?

 

[DJT_47]

Afraid not....we are Born Again by the will of God...Biblical...everything I posted is biblical.

The Living Holy Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods child...I understand in the spirit, where does your understanding come from?

Goodbye. Believe whatever unscriptural nonsense you like.

 

[Ritajanice]

Goodbye. Believe whatever unscriptural nonsense you like

I have posted no unscriptural nonsense

Back it up then that I speak nonsense?


Do you understand whose seed we have been Born Again of?

Philippians 1:29 says it's been "granted" unto us to believe in Jesus Christ. And Acts 3 verse 16 says all faith in Christ is faith that has come from and through Christ. So, all faith in Christ originates in Christ Himself.

1 Peter 1​

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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[DJT_47]

I have posted no unscriptural nonsense

Back it up then that I speak nonsense?


Do you understand whose seed we have been Born Again of?

1 Peter 1​

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1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Taken from above verse 22

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

You think obedience is not required? Think again.

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Ritajanice]

Taken from above verse 22

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

You think obedience is not required? Think again.

1 Corinthians 12:3​

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3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I asked you a question, how would you know how to be obedient to God?

You posted the written word.

What about the Living word?

What does that mean?

Are you saying Gods witness the Living Holy Spirit is nonsense?

We must be Born Again, Gods word says we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.

You aren’t saved not until our spirit is Born Again, “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “....

What in us needs to be Born Again?

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Behold]

Is "his" gospel a different one and not the gospel of Christ?

By "gospel of Christ" you mean ?????...>..............."All that believe in Jesus, (Christ) shall be saved" ??

Or, as Jesus said..

"ALL that believe in ME, i give unto you, eternal Life, and you shall never perish".

Do you see any "repent and get wet", in that?

So, Paul's Gospel is.. "Believe <> Shall be saved".

He calls this...>"The Gospel of the GRACE of God"....

He calls this "the Preaching of The Cross"..

Another way He explains His Gospel is..... "The preaching of The Cross..... is the POWER OF GOD...... unto SALVATION, for everyone who BELIEVES"...

Here is how to understand that... "But as many as received Jesus, to them God gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:""""


See all those?

There is no water found........and that is because, the BELIEVING, .. The FAITH.... is what God accepts........to then Save you.. and after you are SAVED, you then get in the water.
Can be a month later.
Can be years later.
Or, if you die before you are water baptized, it does not affect your salvation, as water does not save you to begin with.....

 

[Ritajanice]

You think obedience is not required? Think again.

Who said obedience isn’t required?

How do we know how to become obedient to God?

Just by reading the written word?....seriously?

 

[DJT_47]

I asked you a question, how would you know how to be obedient to God?

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It's really simple. If you believe, you'll take action and follow through by doing something about it and doing what God, through his word, tells you go do. If he says be baptized, that's what you do. If he says confess your belief with your mouth as the Ethiopian eunuch did, then that's what you do. If he says repent, then that's what you do. Read the OT account of Naaman in 2 kings 5. He was told by Elisha to dip 7 times in the Jordan to cleanse his leopracy. He thought that was stupid, and questioned it. He finally agreed, was obedient, and did. His leopracy was cured! Why? Because of the water? No; it was because of obedience!

 

[DJT_47]

By "gospel of Christ" you mean ?????...>..............."All that believe in Jesus, (Christ) shall be saved" ??

Or, as Jesus said..

"ALL that believe in ME, i give unto you, eternal Life, and you shall never perish".

Do you see any "repent and get wet", in that?

So, Paul's Gospel is.. "Believe <> Shall be saved".

He calls this...>"The Gospel of the GRACE of God"....

He calls this "the Preaching of The Cross"..

Another way He explains His Gospel is..... "The preaching of The Cross..... is the POWER OF GOD...... unto SALVATION, for everyone who BELIEVES"...

Here is how to understand that... "But as many as received Jesus, to them God gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:""""


See all those?

There is no water found........and that is because, the BELIEVING, .. The FAITH.... is what God accepts........to then Save you.. and after you are SAVED, you then get in the water.
Can be a month later.
Can be years later.
Or, if you die before you are water baptized, it does not affect your salvation, as water does not save you to begin with.....

Believe what you like. But obedience is required. It's not the water it's obedience, which baptism is. Read my response to another party here just posted.

 

[Ritajanice]

It's really simple. If you believe, you'll take action and follow through by doing something about it and doing what God, through his word, tells you go do. If he says be baptized, that's what you do. If he says confess your belief with your mouth as the Ethiopian eunuch did, then that's what you do. If he says repent, then that's what you do. Read the OT account of Naaman in 2 kings 5. He was told by Elisha to dip 7 times in the Jordan to cleanse his leopracy. He thought that was stupid, and questioned it. He finally agreed, was obedient, and did. His leopracy was cured! Why? Because of the water? No; it was because of obedience!

None of this is scriptural.

Are you able to answer my questions..you said what I posted was unscriptural?

Show me where what I posted was unscriptural?

 

[Ritajanice]

Believe what you like. But obedience is required. It's not the water it's obedience, which baptism is. Read my response to another party here just posted.

This is not biblical and full of confusion.

For the 4 th time.how would you know how to be obedient to God?

We must be Born Of The Spirit.."what in us needs to be “ Born Again “?

 

[DJT_47]

None of this is scriptural.

Are you able to answer my questions..you said what I posted was unscriptural?

Show me where what I posted was unscriptural?

You make no sense. Goodbye