Hi, everybody

[Pancho Frijoles]

Brother @amigo de christo is right. We must believe in Jesus Christ to be saved. Jesus is the only way to be saved and have eternal life. We cannot guarantee tomorrow, or even the next minute. There are two possible ways of leaving this world. Dying or the Lord’s return. The Lord could return any moment. Read the Bible and learn it well for yourself.

I believe in Jesus Christ, my brother.
And the only way to prove it, is through my behavior in this forum. If I act with prudence and meekness, according to the character of Jesus, then you will know I believe in Him. If I don't, my words will have been just empty words.
"You will know them by their fruits"

May God continue filling your life with blessings and love.

 

[amigo de christo]

I believe in Jesus Christ, my brother.
And the only way to prove it, is through my behavior in this forum. If I act with prudence and meekness, according to the character of Jesus, then you will know I believe in Him. If I don't, my words will have been just empty words.
"You will know them by their fruits"

May God continue filling your life with blessings and love.

rather odd a post ago you claimed you never once claimed to believe .
The bahis DONT believe IN JESUS CHRIST , at best they beleive only in another jesus .
You probably believe that all religoins somehow know GOD or CHRIST
if they just loved one another . IF SO you are believing a lie .
FOR had one truly LOVED another , THEY WOULD NOT HAVE allowed sin upon them .
THEY would have corrected . UNBELIEF IN JESUS THE CHRIST IS THE ULTIMATE SIN OF ALL SINS .
and yet muslims and other religoins DO NOT BELEIVE JESUS IS THE VERY CHRIST
NOT THE SON OF GOD . the muslims follow at most another jesus . and it cannot save them .
HE who denies That JESUS IS THE CHRIST , is a liar , is an anti christ .
DO you even believe that .
Cornelious BELIEVED THE GOSPEL when he heard it . THESE other religoins DENY JESUS as the CHRIST .
HE who is of GOD hears us and HE who is not of GOD does not . CORNELIOUS DID
and this is HOW GOD HIMSELF has chosen TO SAVE THE WORLD .
I seem to notice something amongst all religoins and sadly even amongst a lot of christendom .
THEY all seem to merging into a lie . a false love , a false hope , a false salvation
that will at most preach only partial truths about doing some good
AND YET DENEIES THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS GOOD and WHO DID COME TO SAVE MAN . JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear @amigo de christo and @Marvelloustime

You can ask me directly anything at any time about my beliefs in the Interfaith Dialogue section of the forum.
Here I can only provide short, summarized answers. This thread is for introduction of me as an individual.
I have been transparent from the very start that I am not a Christian. My religion is the Baha'i Faith.
Therefore, it is natural and expected that some of my views will be different from your views. ;)

I'm visiting this forum to learn, challenge, debate respectfully at the appropriate threads, and make new friends if possible.... everything according to the rules of this forum. I'm interested in the unity of Christians, because the world needs it.

I do not claim to speak in the name of God or on behalf of the Baha'i Faith.
I just share my own understandings.

May God continue to bless you all.

you came upon the CHRISTAIN section . and we have every right to defend and to contend for the true faith .
every right to point to JESUS THE CHRIST and the absolute and dire need to believe on him .
IF i walked into an arena of atheists , you can bet they gonna stand and defend their beleifs .
SO WILL WE . i worry for you big time . I do desire the absolute best and only good for you .
Would you allow a peodophile to teach and seduce children . I BET NOT .
SO how on earth can you expect me to allow your misguided concept to remain uncorrected .
I do what i do for the sake of others . AND I also desire only GOOD FOR YOU .
YOU need to turn from that religoin . IT cannot and will not save you .
YOU might think you have love , charity . BUT NEVER FORGET
that charity , if i even i gave all my goods to the poor and didnt have IT , IT PROFITS ME NOTHING .
CHARITY actually REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH . NOT IN lies and false hope .
You are on a very dangerous path . and as with any , if i see one in danger
i am gonna do all i can to help that person . Now i wish others would do the same for you .

 

[amigo de christo]

It is reassuring to read that you don't want my destruction. Thanks for that.
Well, I don't want my destruction either.
But more importantly, Almighty God does not want my destruction!
So, I don't skate in fear, but in joy and serenity.

I feel infinitely and undeservedly blessed by my Creator. I have felt this since I was a little child.
Whatever the destiny God has for me after I die, I will thank Him for it eternally.

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There is no doubt you are a nice kind guy , but so was i and yet i too was lost .
I was , heck buddists are , some mulisms are nice , some jews , some atheist even
BUT IT alone is not going to save them . ONLY JESUS THE CHRIST can
and if they fail to believe on HIM believe me they will perish in their sins .
THERE is truly only one life saving and life changing gospel that can SAVE . JESUS THE CHRIST
for if a man beleives not on him they will perish . JESUS HIMSELF says this .
ITS time to preach the message OF the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to teach ALL
things HE did teach . i know many within christendom also might claim to believe
and yet they follow another jesus themselves . Get back into the bible
and learn the gospels for you , the letters of the apostels for you . Learn it well .

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Dear brother @amigo de christo


Following the good advice from @Wrangler, I am clicking on the "Ignore" functionality. So, I will not be able to read your messages anymore.
Please don't take any offence on this.
I do it because

• I have got your warning messages, I appreciate your interest in my soul, but I am not willing to reply to your posts
• You have not opened a thread in the InterFaith Dialogue Forum for a serious debate or inquiry

So this is just a technical tool that will help me to remain focused on those posts I want to reply to.
You will always be my brother and I will pray for you today to receive from God physical health, wisdom, and more importantly, the peace that comes from Him.
Please pray for me as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear brother @amigo de christo


Following the good advice from @Wrangler, I am clicking on the "Ignore" functionality. So, I will not be able to read your messages anymore.
Please don't take any offence on this.
I do it because

• I have got your warning messages, I appreciate your interest in my soul, but I am not willing to reply to your posts
• You have not opened a thread in the InterFaith Dialogue Forum for a serious debate or inquiry

So this is just a technical tool that will help me to remain focused on those posts I want to reply to.
You will always be my brother and I will pray for you today to receive from God physical health, wisdom, and more importantly, the peace that comes from Him.
Please pray for me as well.

wrangler cannot help you my friend . but thank you for letting me know what i suspected all along
about wrangler who has always come against me for preaching that other religoins do not know or serve the same GOD
as do we . Wrangler as have many other christains come against the very preaching of the dire need to beleive on JESUS
the CHRIST and rather they do as do the other religoins too and now just try and get along and find common ground .
Now even if you dont read this , at least a few others will . By grace i was right about wrangler . I still desire only good for him
too . but i tried to warn even our own christain realm that it is being taken for a ride in the wrong direction .
THEY cannot help you my friend they will only try and find common ground with you .

 

[Marvelloustime]

wrangler cannot help you my friend . but thank you for letting me know what i suspected all along
about wrangler who has always come against me for preaching that other religoins do not know or serve the same GOD
as do we . Wrangler as have many other christains come against the very preaching of the dire need to beleive on JESUS
the CHRIST and rather they do as do the other religoins too and now just try and get along and find common ground .
Now even if you dont read this , at least a few others will . By grace i was right about wrangler . I still desire only good for him
too . but i tried to warn even our own christain realm that it is being taken for a ride in the wrong direction .
THEY cannot help you my friend they will only try and find common ground with you .

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The same inspired author of the passage that @Marvelloustime has kindly quoted, elaborates in the same chapter:

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

The purpose of the Son of God is to destroy evil and transform our lives to become righteous, as He is righteous.
So, again, and in harmony with Jesus' advice "You will know them by their fruits", John states in the same chapter:

"In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother." (v. 10)

Who, then, can claim to believe in Jesus? The Catholic? The Evangelical? The Quaker? The Mormon? The Unitarian?
He who practices righteousness and loves his brother.
This is the distinctive feature of a follower of Jesus. I repeat: the distinctive feature, established by Jesus Himself and by no other.
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:35)

 

[Wrangler]

wrangler who has always come against me for preaching that other religoins do not know or serve the same GOD
as do we .

Not wanting to turn this Introduction thread into a debate thread. Yet, I want to set the record straight. It is your ungracious proselytizing I oppose.

If I were to meet @Pancho Frijoles in person, say as my new neighbor, I would not approach him they way you did electronically. I'd wave and smile in acknowledgment at his existence in my area. Greet him with a warm handshake saying, "Welcome to the neighborhood." And tell him the name of my wife, the dogs, cat and my name, Mr. Wrangler.

Then, I'd let him know that I am a practical friend. I'd ask if he needs help with anything, moving in related. I'd offer assistance with getting services like utilities and internet. Offer to take him for a joy ride to get a lay of the land. Later in the week, I'd bring over a dish he might enjoy while unpacking all his belongings. Then I'd ask about common interests. I read and am a great conversationalist on a wide variety of topics. Very active with pickleball, tennis, hiking, backpacking, taking my dogs for walks, bike riding, swimming, going to the gym, bonfires and spending time with family and friends. Perhaps we can build a relationship along these common interests.

Along the way, I'd learn his wife's name. His adult daughter's names. What type of work he does. What kind of man he is. What type of sense of humor he has. After some time, sharing some meals together, sitting by my campfire, I might pull out a cigar with a glass of wine. Here is where I like to solve all the world's problems. Politics. Economics. Life. And yes, even touch on religion.

Who knows. Maybe he won't put me on ignore the first chance he gets and he might consider what I have to say. Maybe. It's a stretch better than beating him over the head repeatedly with my hardcover book collection! Like a broken record, just self-righteously pontificate the superiority of my choice in denominational doctrine until he surrenders to my relentless assaults. Your approach makes a respect filled approach that much harder as your approach reinforces why some people are turned off by Christians. Please. Take this into consideration brother.


“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Wrangler]

wrangler who has always come against me for preaching

Preaching?! Is that what you call what you do around here?

In short, you do not get it. You have the right to speak but others have the right not to listen. If you want others to listen, it is not a matter of volume or large fonts. You have to get them to consent to hear what you have to say.

If you figure this out, we'll be OK.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Dear @Wrangler and friends

I understand the overenthusiasm of our friends as result of one frequent misunderstanding: that holding the right set of beliefs is above everything else... that it is the cornerstone of the Gospel and the key for salvation from hell.
So, in their minds, "preaching" becomes "preaching the true doctrines about Christ " more than "preaching Christ".

In their minds, "sin" is not about adultery, murder, indifference to the poor. "Sin" is about rejecting the right doctrines and accepting the wrong doctrines. This misunderstanding leads them to the extreme of saying, like amigo de christo said, that "the biggest sin of all is not believing in Christ", despite the fact that Christ Himself taught that the biggest sin of all is denying the action of the Holy Spirit in healing the soul of a person and attribute that action to Satan (Mark 3:22-35). This is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Whoever denies the action of the Holy Spirit on a Mormon, a Unitarian or a Jehovah Witness to heal their lives, and declares that it is not God by Satan who leads this action, is committing the sin against the Holy Spirit.
Again, I am not talking here about the validity of Mormon's, Unitarian's, or JW's doctrinal claims. I am talking about the grace of God acting on them to transform their lives.

I invite you all to reflect on Paul's words on the relative importance of love when compared to theological knowledge:

And though I have the gift of prophecy,
and understand all mysteries and all knowledge,
and though I have all faith,
so that I could remove mountains,
but have not love,
I am nothing.

 

[Cassandra]

Dear brother @amigo de christo


Following the good advice from @Wrangler, I am clicking on the "Ignore" functionality. So, I will not be able to read your messages anymore.
Please don't take any offence on this.
I do it because

• I have got your warning messages, I appreciate your interest in my soul, but I am not willing to reply to your posts
• You have not opened a thread in the InterFaith Dialogue Forum for a serious debate or inquiry

So this is just a technical tool that will help me to remain focused on those posts I want to reply to.
You will always be my brother and I will pray for you today to receive from God physical health, wisdom, and more importantly, the peace that comes from Him.
Please pray for me as well.

You have got to be one of the nicest folks I've ever encountered on this forum. I mean that.

 

[Phoneman777]

1. First, because God is Allah (Allah means simply God, or more specifically, The God in Arabic).

Correct, my Creator challenged the "god" of the Islam, the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith, etc., all of which are Satan.

1. Second, because nobody within the audience of Isaiah knew God as Allah.

My Creator's "audience" to whom His challenge was issued are those who claim to be divine: Allah, Buddha, the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith, etc. - not humans.

God could not have challenged Brahman for two reasons:

1. First, Because God is Brahman. God is the Supreme, Ultimate Reality (Acts 17:28), and Brahman is the Supreme, Ultimate Reality in Hinduism.

This statement is the height of asininity. Where in the religion of Brahma is it taught that he has a Son Who came and died for the sins of the world?

Nowhere - only in the religion of my Creator.

1. Second, because nobody within the audience of Isaiah knew God by the name of Brahman.

Again, my Creator's audience to whom He issued the challenge was not a human audience - it was the audience of demons masquerading as "creators" like the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith, Zeus, Apollo, Isis, Anubis, Baal, etc.

God could not have challenged the Creator I worship as Baha'i, for two reasons

1. First, because I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The God that sent Jesus. The God that Jesus prayed to.

No, the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith makes no claim to having a Son named Jesus Christ as described in the Holy Bible sent by Him to the world to save us from our sins.

Your "creator" stands exposed as Satan because he has failed to step up to the Creator's challenge.

1. Second, because nobody within the audience of Isaiah knew about the Baha'i Faith.

Again, my Creator's audience to whom He issued the challenge are the "gods" who claim to be divine, but stand exposed as demonic frauds for failing to step up to His challenge.

This is the last time I answer to one of your posts in regard to my Faith in this thread.
If you are interested in exploring what I believe, or debating something within the rules of the Forum, please open a thread in the Interfaith Dialogue section. I will be glad to hold a respectful dialogue with you there.

I am tagging @Angelina in case she has any advice or recommendation to me, to you or to our readers on how to proceed.

Are we not exploring the differences of our faiths? The fact that no other "creator" has stepped up to the Isaiah 41 challenge of the Bible's Creator?

Feel free to tag anyone you want - maybe they can help you explain why it is that for over 2700 years, the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith has stood by silent, soundly insulted and profoundly impotent by failing to step up to the simple, straight forward challenge to declare future events as done by my Creator over and over and over in His book, the only "most holy book": the Bible - not the Baha'i Faith "most holy book" the Kitáb-i-Aqdas.

 

[Phoneman777]

Think: Would a Jew rabbi accept “evidence” about Christ taken from quotes from the New Testament, which he rejects in advance?

No, but what my Creator predicted about the coming of the Messiah Jesus Christ in Daniel 9 had such power to convince 1st century Jews that Jesus was the Messiah that Jewish rabbis placed a CURSE on anyone who would attempt to find the timing of the Messiah's arrival in Daniel.

I keep telling you, friend, that the Spirit of Prophecy is power, is evidence, brings conviction, and the enemies of the Creator either ignore it as do you or falsely represent it.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Are we not exploring the differences of our faiths?

No, we are not.

To explore the differences of our faiths, I would need to see in your posts, as a minimal requirement, a spirit of respect.
I will not be able to read your posts, my brother, as I will be using the "Ignore" function.

Remember: this is just a tool I have to focus on the posts I am willing to reply. I pray to God to pour his blessings on you and your family.

 

[Phoneman777]

No, we are not.

To explore the differences of our faiths, I would need to see in your posts, as a minimal requirement, a spirit of respect.
I will not be able to read your posts, my brother, as I will be using the "Ignore" function.

Remember: this is just a tool I have to focus on the posts I am willing to reply. I pray to God to pour his blessings on you and your family.

Do what you must, but my hands are clean of your blood on Judgment Day, friend. I'm a "watchman' whose job it is to "sound the alarm".

I've shown you the reason the "creator" of the Baha'i Faith is Satan is because he cannot step up to the challenge of the True Creator Redeemer God, and you've been warned of the consequences of failing to turn from your false faith to faith in Jesus. Please, please listen to my words and reconsider your course and "turn ye, turn ye, for why will you die?"

 

[Wynona]

I'm new here.
I look forward to participating and contributing to discussions in a spirit of brotherhood.
I'm 57, Mexican and father of two beautiful grown-up daughters.
My religion is the Baha'i Faith, so I will restrict my participation to the threads where non-Christians can contribute, as per the rules of the forum

Warm regards to you all, brothers and sisters.

Did I say welcome? Welcome!