About the "Holy Rosary" prayer

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There are many prayers in the scriptures. Did Jesus pray the same prayer day after day?

All you need is the love of God and the Holy Spirit will lead you, in your walk, in your thoughts, in your deeds and in your words. Jesus is to receive ALL the honor, glory and praise! He is a jealous God and will not tolerate you worshipping man, tradition, things, or even the works of people.

Yeah - Unless Jesus is a hypocrite He must have prayed pretty much that same prayer everyday!!

Mat 6:6-13 “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
“So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
‘Give us this day our daily bread.
‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

Now it seems that we should go in that inner room once a day, right? So if we are obedient to Jesus Christ, and He is still the same person today as then, then we will obey His instructions, and pray in a like manner as above as instructed, right?

So what about having beads and some other traditions?

Why would it be a problem if a tradition gets you to hook up with Jesus Christ personally?

I tell you that the traditions are not the problems, but living by them instead of every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is the problem! Or do we not know that He is always there with us to talk back and forth with - that talking back and forth is 'Prayer'!

Look - the Lord's prayer has some requests we need to remember ourselves! It is not that the Lord our God ever forgets what we need, but the Lord's prayer is to remind us what we need from Him and who He is, and that should be done daily least we forget to talk with Him on that important day called "Today"!

Now if you want to have some tradition that gets you talking back and forth with Him, why should He care. He cares that you and Him talk back and forth!! How else our you going to learn from Him, except by talking back and forth with Him.

So praying 'Thy Kingdom come', means asking for the King and those with Him to come into our lives, and we need that Today, right?

Paying give us our daily bread, means getting words from the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ, and those words are life to us, and thus our spiritually speaking our "daily bread", or have we not read that He is the bread that comes down out of heaven?

Not only that be we need His forgiveness, He deliverance from evil, everyday also - or do we not know that our battle with the dark forces of this world is on Today, and every Today!

Now we should know that, but we need to remember it everyday so that we start seeking Him and listening to Him. And having a tradition to help us remember is not a problem. Yet if you have replaced the tradition, no matter what it is, with actually seeking Him who comes with His Kingdom of God, then you have a huge problem whether you know it or not!!
 

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Do this.

1 Corinthians 11:1

You will actually be an imitator of Him when you do and say only what He tells you!! And that means listening to Him Today!

Yet Jesus, in doing and saying only what the Father told Him appeared as a rabbi holding to many of the traditions of that time, so what about you? What do you really hear from Him?
 

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Yeah - Unless Jesus is a hypocrite He must have prayed pretty much that same prayer everyday!!

Mat 6:6-13 “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
“So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
“Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
‘Give us this day our daily bread.
‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

Now it seems that we should go in that inner room once a day, right? So if we are obedient to Jesus Christ, and He is still the same person today as then, then we will obey His instructions, and pray in a like manner as above as instructed, right?

So what about having beads and some other traditions?

Why would it be a problem if a tradition gets you to hook up with Jesus Christ personally?

I tell you that the traditions are not the problems, but living by them instead of every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is the problem! Or do we not know that He is always there with us to talk back and forth with - that talking back and forth is 'Prayer'!

Look - the Lord's prayer has some requests we need to remember ourselves! It is not that the Lord our God ever forgets what we need, but the Lord's prayer is to remind us what we need from Him and who He is, and that should be done daily least we forget to talk with Him on that important day called "Today"!

Now if you want to have some tradition that gets you talking back and forth with Him, why should He care. He cares that you and Him talk back and forth!! How else our you going to learn from Him, except by talking back and forth with Him.

So praying 'Thy Kingdom come', means asking for the King and those with Him to come into our lives, and we need that Today, right?

Paying give us our daily bread, means getting words from the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ, and those words are life to us, and thus our spiritually speaking our "daily bread", or have we not read that He is the bread that comes down out of heaven?

Not only that be we need His forgiveness, He deliverance from evil, everyday also - or do we not know that our battle with the dark forces of this world is on Today, and every Today!

Now we should know that, but we need to remember it everyday so that we start seeking Him and listening to Him. And having a tradition to help us remember is not a problem. Yet if you have replaced the tradition, no matter what it is, with actually seeking Him who comes with His Kingdom of God, then you have a huge problem whether you know it or not!!
Are the beads used with the same thoughts of a rabbit's foot. People hang them in their cars and place a bedpost thinking that the beads will protect them.

What to repeat the same prayer okay, but praying there is no reason to pray to Mary, light candles, create statues and pictures to kneel at them and make a shrine.

The only name we pray in is the name of God Jesus/Yeshua.
 

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Out of praise and worship and honor, I study to see how Jesus showed us and what He spoke to us so that I will model my life after His. I fail miserably everyday and pray and hope that I will be transformed and learn and correct my short fallings. I thank Him for His grace and mercy and for the Jesus did at the cross because He is the reason I am saved.

Yes, Jesus is your Salvation.

Paul is your NT teacher.

Jesus said that "Paul is a chosen vessel.<<<<<<< unto me"..

See that word "vessel"... ?????????????

Notice that Jesus says this is PAUL, = specifically...

A Vessel is a device that takes in and gives out.....

So, before Jesus ascended back to GLORY.. (Glory is Heaven)...Jesus told the 11....>"there are many things i would tell you, but you are not able to receive them now".

When did Jesus reveal them?

A.) "Paul is a chosen VESSEL, unto ME"...

This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.

This is why PETER, .. who had Paul's letters, said..>"these are SCRIPTURE"... as if He was reading the TORAH..
 

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About the "holy rosary" prayer

This so called "prayer" is not found in scripture anywhere as Jesus did not teach this, not dud He teach this thru the Apostles... so it is not biblical and the Lord does not hear prayers of idolatry

"Praying" to mary or asking mary to pray for you is idolatry and as such this is sinful behavior.
 
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Paul is your NT teacher.

Actually, Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our Teacher.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
 
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Actually, Jesus said the Holy Spirit is our Teacher.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

"God gave"... "Teachers, Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, and Evangelists", for the "perfecting of the Saints".

"SAINTS" are the "born again"... who are "Heirs of God".. and "Joint Heirs with Jesus".

Also.......= Jesus, personally chose PAUL to be "THE Apostle to the Gentiles", in the "time of the Gentiles".

Right now, the "body of Christ" is in the "Time of the Gentiles"....

Paul said...>"Be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ"......... and to "follow", .. Paul means...>"study my Doctrine and imitate my Christianity".
 

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Are the beads used with the same thoughts of a rabbit's foot. People hang them in their cars and place a bedpost thinking that the beads will protect them.

What to repeat the same prayer okay, but praying there is no reason to pray to Mary, light candles, create statues and pictures to kneel at them and make a shrine.

The only name we pray in is the name of God Jesus/Yeshua.

Is that not a question for the Lord, or have you put His foot in your mouth?

If a person is reminded to come to the Lord and talk to Him because they saw beads hanging, then they came to the Lord and heard what He said.

But even if a person dresses himself up in the image of the Most High but does not come to the Lord and talk to Him despite their appearance then they did not come and hear the Word of God.

So it was written:

Zechariah 2:3 While the angel who was speaking to me was leaving, another angel came to meet him 4 and said to him: “Run, tell that young man, ‘Jerusalem will be a city without walls because of the great number of people and animals in it. 5 And I myself will be a wall of fire around it,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will be its glory within.’
 

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Is that not a question for the Lord, or have you put His foot in your mouth?

If a person is reminded to come to the Lord and talk to Him because they saw beads hanging, then they came to the Lord and heard what He said.

But even if a person dresses himself up in the image of the Most High but does not come to the Lord and talk to Him despite their appearance then they did not come and hear the Word of God.

So it was written:

Zechariah 2:3 While the angel who was speaking to me was leaving, another angel came to meet him 4 and said to him: “Run, tell that young man, ‘Jerusalem will be a city without walls because of the great number of people and animals in it. 5 And I myself will be a wall of fire around it,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will be its glory within.’
I don't know if you understood what I said.

I know people (like my family members) who think putting a rosary in a car means the car is protected. It is not a reminder to pray, as they don't even pray. they think putting a rosary in or about places is what is protecting them.

I wear a cross on a necklace, not because the jewelry has special power but as a sign to others who I belong to. My life is not changed whether or not I am wearing it. I am in God's hand always.
 

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Every time we open the NT, we are hearing from Jesus., if we do what it says to do.

1 Corinthians 11:1

2 Timothy 2:15

Silly, did you not read:

Zech 5: 1-3 I looked again, and there before me was a flying scroll.

2 He asked me, “What do you see?”

I answered, “I see a flying scroll, twenty cubits long and ten cubits wide.[a]”

3 And he said to me, “This is the curse that is going out over the whole land


Or perhaps you could have read:

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.


The very fact that you think reading the Scriptures is hearing from Him, the anointed Son of God, via the Holy Spirit just proves you don't hear from Him, nor have received the promise by faith in Jesus Christ!!! So you are still under sin and not the Lord our God.

Hear, O Israel is not the same and read your Bible!! Never-the-less, read you Bible because it is written:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Therefore Scripture is given to you to reprove you!!

Have you not read:

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

The the word of faith we are preaching is not found in a book with ink on pages, nor even found on your computer! So they are not read, but heard. Anyone who indeed knows the Lord our God knows He is always with them so it is that His sheep hear His voice, and it is a voice picked up from the Holy Spirit to our spirit. So we find that the word of God we preach is near us at all times! It is found coming our out own mouths, and found in our heart if we seek it! But the unbeliever does not understand, nor do they personally know the Lord God of all things personally, like those who wrote the Scriptures to tell others about Him.

It is so sad to me. They have never ever heard in them His voice calling their name personally and saying, "I love you."!

The first time I heard Him tell me, "Karl, I love you.", it brought such tears to my eyes that I could hardly see the stop sign I was coming up on. And if a person was to ever hear Him like that; how could they ever go back to saying such a silly thing as "Every time we open the NT, we are hearing from Jesus".

They just can't understand that what they wrote is simply proof positive they don't know the Lord!! He is a person who never leaves you, like He said, because His Holy Spirit dwells in you. He is a friend you talk back and forth with, and He tells you things like, "Karl, I will always call you my friend." And He is a teacher who because He created all things talks to you about all things, including your Bible, both the "NT", and the Old Testament too! Or do you not know that He had them both written?

If you spend over twenty years talking with Him some everyday called Today, it is not hard to spot a hypocrite. Do you not know that He brings you up with teachings about them?


Mt 6:5 “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.

So it is not about where they pray or how they pray but rather if they are really seeking Him or just pretending to!!
 

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Rom 10:8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

That is a specific word....."the word of Faith".

Whereas the NT also says to = "study to show yourself approved unto God".

Study what?

The Bible., and specifically .. .Paul's epistles, His Doctrine.
 

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I don't know if you understood what I said.

I know people (like my family members) who think putting a rosary in a car means the car is protected. It is not a reminder to pray, as they don't even pray. they think putting a rosary in or about places is what is protecting them.

I wear a cross on a necklace, not because the jewelry has special power but as a sign to others who I belong to. My life is not changed whether or not I am wearing it. I am in God's hand always.

No, I understood what you were trying to say. There are indeed people who don't seek Him but give the appearance of seeking Him. Yet you don't know if it a person with a candle, some beads, a prayer shawl, or a bowed head.

And do you not know that the whole world is kept together by His hands?

Therefore seek the face of God, and do not lean on your own understanding!

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.

And understand this: a persons ears are not on their face but on the sides of their head. So seeking the face of God is not trying to get Him to listen to you, but is getting you to hear from Him!! He once told me:

"When you seek the face of God what do you find? My eyes to watch over you? My nose to pick up the fragrance of your prayers? My mouth that I might speak to you? But know this: My ears are on the side of my head."

So are you making judgements about others without actually listening to Him?
Did you not read that all those who seek find?
Did He not even go over this teaching with you already - that if they light a candle and sincerely seek Him they will find Him. If they pickup some beads and earnestly seek Him and what He has to say to them, they will find Him. If they just sat down and with all their heart they seek Him, even if they are in the midst of a pagan nation and they desire with all their heart to get to know the God over all things, they will find Him. Of did you not read that from every tribe and every nation?

So while the Bible is correct, and the Jewish and Christian religions have the correct message, it still has to do with seeking Him, as the message explains. Yet to the Israelites Moses said:

Deut 8:20 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
 

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That is a specific word....."the word of Faith".

Whereas the NT also says to = "study to show yourself approved unto God".

Study what?

The Bible., and specifically .. .Paul's epistles, His Doctrine.

The Word of God is a specific person in who we must have faith!! How do you not know this?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Jn 1:1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Is it possible you do not know this and understand this because you don't hear what comes from His mouth?

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

I am telling you plainly, for your sake, that He is there to be heard from by anyone, but you have to honestly repent or your ways, your thinking, and your pride, so that you seek His words, His thinking, and His reproof!! And He is indeed there to be found by anyone really seeking Him by faith! And reading you Bible does not take faith! The Pharisees read the Scriptures but did not have faith to believe in Him!

Rev 3: 19- 22 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.
‘He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

How long will you deny He is with you to be heard from? God is spirit, so you hear Him with your spiritual ears not you fleshy ears or by reading with your fleshy eyes!!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So His words are not ink on pages as you think them to be. His words are spirit coming through His Holy Spirit to your spirit, if you carte to believe!
 

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I don't know if you understood what I said.

I know people (like my family members) who think putting a rosary in a car means the car is protected. It is not a reminder to pray, as they don't even pray. they think putting a rosary in or about places is what is protecting them.
I know, I see rosaries hanging from the rear view mirror all the time. It is not there for protection, that's superstition. People do that to be identified as Catholic, the same as Protestants who apply a fish symbol bumper sticker on their car; it identifies the owner as Christian.
I wear a cross on a necklace, not because the jewelry has special power but as a sign to others who I belong to. My life is not changed whether or not I am wearing it. I am in God's hand always.
:goodj:
 

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I know, I see rosaries hanging from the rear view mirror all the time. It is not there for protection, that's superstition. People do that to be identified as Catholic, the same as Protestants who apply a fish symbol bumper sticker on their car; it identifies the owner as Christian.

:goodj:
No, I understood what you were trying to say. There are indeed people who don't seek Him but give the appearance of seeking Him. Yet you don't know if it a person with a candle, some beads, a prayer shawl, or a bowed head.

And do you not know that the whole world is kept together by His hands?

Therefore seek the face of God, and do not lean on your own understanding!

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.

And understand this: a persons ears are not on their face but on the sides of their head. So seeking the face of God is not trying to get Him to listen to you, but is getting you to hear from Him!! He once told me:

"When you seek the face of God what do you find? My eyes to watch over you? My nose to pick up the fragrance of your prayers? My mouth that I might speak to you? But know this: My ears are on the side of my head."

So are you making judgements about others without actually listening to Him?
Did you not read that all those who seek find?
Did He not even go over this teaching with you already - that if they light a candle and sincerely seek Him they will find Him. If they pickup some beads and earnestly seek Him and what He has to say to them, they will find Him. If they just sat down and with all their heart they seek Him, even if they are in the midst of a pagan nation and they desire with all their heart to get to know the God over all things, they will find Him. Of did you not read that from every tribe and every nation?

So while the Bible is correct, and the Jewish and Christian religions have the correct message, it still has to do with seeking Him, as the message explains. Yet to the Israelites Moses said:

Deut 8:20 “Like the nations that the LORD makes to perish before you, so you shall perish; because you would not listen to the voice of the LORD your God.
Karl, I am speaking against false teachings. You are assuming I don't know God or seek Him and don't know the scriptures.

I listen to The Holy Spirit who has reveals to me Truth. Not speaking against false teaching only brings destruction. People in ignorance and lost people will follow false teachings and then you end up with total chaos. Look at the gender ideology, abortion stance, those protesting against Israel....
 

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Jesus is the "Word".

The Bible is the "word".

The BIBLE says, that "God exalts His "word"....above His NAME".

Really - the Bible is the word?

The Greek word for the Scriptures is Graphe and it is not translated "word" in your Bible!

Now if someone says a word, that of course can be considered their "word". However the Bible has words from Satan, and so taking the view as 'Behold' does in the above quote now creates Satan with saying words from God!!

And of course, we read all sorts of other people saying and writing things in the Bible.

And what I find even more interesting is the Jesus Christ Himself, who is the Word of God by name (see Rev 19:13) calls the writings of Moses (those first five books of your Bible) the writings of Moses!! And then Jesus Christ, the Word of God, goes on to make a clear distinction between Moses's writings and His words!!!

Jn 5:46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

So clearly 'Behold' is wrong according to the very writings 'Behold' calls the "word".

Now I would think that since he puts such high regard on the Scriptures, he would have read some of this and understood - except for one thing. The Bible explains that understanding comes from His mouth not His book!!

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

So obviously he is not getting understanding from the Lord's mouth but from his leaning on his own understanding.

From His mouth to me, our Lord Jesus Christ once to me personally:

"Understanding is understanding that I Am Understanding; understand?"

And we need to know Him not only as our Teacher, who personally teaches us things, but also as our friend, or did you not even read:

Prov 7:4 Say to wisdom, “You are my sister,” And call understanding your intimate friend;

If indeed Jesus Christ, as understanding, was your friend you would understand what I am writing, simply because you and He would talk back and forth. Then you might even be able to, and would testify to what you hear. But it is written, and so it is:

Jn 3:11 “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

But I have explained the need for actually knowing Jesus Christ personally, meaning that you and Him need to talk, and you still do not have that testimony coming from in you.

Have you not read:

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.

or

Is 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD,
You rulers of Sodom;
Give ear to the instruction of our God,
You people of Gomorrah.

or

Is 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

If you would just seek Him and His words personally spoken to you through His Holy Spirit to your spirit you would have understanding (Him) in your life. You would then reason together (talk back and forth) with Him. You would then know that His voice is not the writings, but that He sends His Holy Spirit with His words personally for you. So you would find the word of God we are preaching in your heart, or in your mouth if you don't pay enough attention to what His Holy Spirit says to your spirit so that His words in you heart are not found until they come out your mouth.

That is why it is written:

Rom 10: 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

Yet I think even I have explain all this to you before, using the Scriptures to reprove you accordingly, but you do not accept our (those like me who are trying to get people hooked up with our Lord Jesus Christ personally) testimony!!! Just like it is written and explained above on this post.

I was just wondering if you are ever going to seek Jesus Christ and His words that come to us via His Holy Spirit or not? Have you not even read:

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

and

Jn 6:64 “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.

Frankly, if a person starts lifting up the Bible as Him, our Saviour, they are betraying Him, The Lord, who speaks, just like Isaiah explained. And Isaiah used a combination of his words and words that he got and testified to from the Lord, or do you still not understand? Let me break down just that one verse for you:

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth;
For the LORD speaks,
“Sons I have reared and brought up,
But they have revolted against Me.

The first part of that verse 'Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the LORD speaks' is Isaiah's personal testimony that the Lord speaks. Isaiah testifies to that because Isaiah personally heard from the Lord.

And then Isaiah, gives and example of what he personally is specifically hearing in the second part of the same verse:

“Sons I have reared and brought up, But they have revolted against Me." - and that is what Isaiah personally heard and is giving as a testimony as to what he heard.

But from 'Behold we read things like:

Every time we open the NT, we are hearing from Jesus.

Reading what someone else heard and wrote down is not you personally hearing from Jesus!!!!!!!!!

That doesn't mean that He won't personally talk to you about the New Testament! But if He talks to you about it He then sound like a teacher in a class room who has you read a chapter in the textbook and goes over it in class!! A teacher does not just get up and read the chapter he asks you to read, and so neither does the Teacher just start reading the "NT", or any other part of the Bible to you, because He asks you to read and then reasons with you about it!

He tells you things like the following, which He personally told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

Therefore when and if you listen to Him personally, you then come to know Him as your Teacher, and realize that you are His, pupil, student, and disciple. And you know that He will talk to you about all things because all things came into existence through Him! Indeed, He will talk to you about His Kingdom. He will talk to you about those we battle with. He will point out those who are not attending His class but are trying to get to heaven by leaning on their own understanding of the Text Book (The Bible).

He once told me "Quad god, Quad god, Quad god!", then "Karl, they are making it Father, Son, Spirit, and Holy Bible! Thereby making and idol out of their Bible."

Another time He told me:

THE SCRIPTURES ARE RIGHT, BUT THEY ARE NOT RIGHTEOUS. THEY HAVE NO ABILITY TO ACT. THEY ARE NOT ALIVE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IS ALIVE AND ACTIVE.

If a person is saying that their reading the Scriptures (which are writings and not a person) is God talking to them, it is because they don't know Him, the Son of God who is the KING OF KINGS and whose name is called "The Word of God." Apparently that has not yet been revealed to them!

So we His sheep are asked to preach The Word, meaning He will and wants to talk to people. We are expected to help Him with His work, which is that all men might come to know Him. We are expected to be patient, because they are a stubborn people. So it is written:

2 Tim 4:1-4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

They desire to lean on their own understanding, so they don't desire to hear from The Living Word of God, Jesus Christ! So they get themselves teachers who say their reading the Bible is hearing from the Lord, so did they not read where Jesus rebuked the Jews, saying:

Jn 5:39 -42 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
“I do not receive glory from men;
but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves.

There is nothing new under the Sun. Still some are searching the Scriptures for eternal life, claiming that reading them is hearing from Him. That is wrong and that mistake is covered in the Bible (even the NT), but that did not stop them from making it!
 

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Karl, I am speaking against false teachings. You are assuming I don't know God or seek Him and don't know the scriptures.

I listen to The Holy Spirit who has reveals to me Truth. Not speaking against false teaching only brings destruction. People in ignorance and lost people will follow false teachings and then you end up with total chaos. Look at the gender ideology, abortion stance, those protesting against Israel....

Do you not see that you are pointing people to yourself as the teacher, and not Him??

And that shows that you are not hearing from Him on this issue before making your judgement.

If indeed, they are thinking that the running beads through their hands and saying a prayer like a tradition instead of as seeking Him then they do indeed have a problem. But just because they are running beads through their hands and say a prayer as a tradition does not mean they are not then seeking Him and His voice!!!

And the really weird part is you thinking that is you "assuming", they "don't know God or seek Him and don't know the scriptures"!!

And so you fulfilled what Jesus said about as you judge so shall you be judged!

I was not trying to say you never hear from Him, but that we don't want to just 'assume' that someone is not "seeking Him and don't know the scriptures", just because they have a little different traditions, practices, customs, and such!! I was telling you that to know if they are hearing from Him you yourself have to seek Him and hear from Him. And therefore is you are making that assumption, the very one you are judging others to be making, then you are not seeking Him and so I am pointing you to Him so that you might hear from Him first!!

Your judgement (not His) was apparent in your earlier post, and from talking to Him and being taught by Him, I have already been shown the mistake in that judgement myself, and that by Him personally. So I know that if you indeed do seek Him, and stop making those judgements about others first, you will find that we all need to seek Him before making that judgement which you first made.

Just so you know, the Catholic church is a Christian church. Indeed, a quick study of Christian history would make anyone aware that God used it to spread Christianity over the earth more than any other of flocks. That certainly does not mean they have everything right, they don't!! But neither do you or the Christian church you attend.

And also, so that you know, I have never attended a Catholic service in my life. Yet He had me open a Christian bookstore for Him and then talked to me a bit about the different Christian churches, which are His! Now truly, not every church that might seem to be are His, but generally speaking, those who are Christian churches are Christian churches! Still, they are all full of people, even if they are His people, and people make mistakes. That includes you and I. So are you going to judge them? What do we read about this?

Jn 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

So, are you really going to throw a stone (a law) at her His church, instead of first seeking him who alone is without sin? So I am point you to Him, not me, but Him, so that you might first seek Him.

I tell you truly, that He personally had me get a set of those beads to put in the Christian bookstore He had me open incase some Catholic Christian person came into the store and wanted them. And I can also tell you personally that I did get some (just a couple) very interesting Catholic Christians into my bookstore. Indeed, not too many miles away was a Charismatic Catholic bookstore, and someone came in from there one day and I had a great conversation with her. She heard from the Lord really well. In fact, if I was guessing and it is just a guess, I would think she heard from the Lord better than you do, based solely upon my conversation with her. From my conversation with her it seemed she both spoke in tongues and could hear from Him well enough to interpret tongues. That may not be true with those you specifically were talking about, but be careful about judging and make it about seek Him and His voice! And also pay close attention to what He actually says and ask Him questions after He speaks to get more understanding! He like honest questions because He likes us learning from Him personally!!
 

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Do you not see that you are pointing people to yourself as the teacher, and not Him??

And that shows that you are not hearing from Him on this issue before making your judgement.

If indeed, they are thinking that the running beads through their hands and saying a prayer like a tradition instead of as seeking Him then they do indeed have a problem. But just because they are running beads through their hands and say a prayer as a tradition does not mean they are not then seeking Him and His voice!!!

And the really weird part is you thinking that is you "assuming", they "don't know God or seek Him and don't know the scriptures"!!

And so you fulfilled what Jesus said about as you judge so shall you be judged!

I was not trying to say you never hear from Him, but that we don't want to just 'assume' that someone is not "seeking Him and don't know the scriptures", just because they have a little different traditions, practices, customs, and such!! I was telling you that to know if they are hearing from Him you yourself have to seek Him and hear from Him. And therefore is you are making that assumption, the very one you are judging others to be making, then you are not seeking Him and so I am pointing you to Him so that you might hear from Him first!!

Your judgement (not His) was apparent in your earlier post, and from talking to Him and being taught by Him, I have already been shown the mistake in that judgement myself, and that by Him personally. So I know that if you indeed do seek Him, and stop making those judgements about others first, you will find that we all need to seek Him before making that judgement which you first made.

Just so you know, the Catholic church is a Christian church. Indeed, a quick study of Christian history would make anyone aware that God used it to spread Christianity over the earth more than any other of flocks. That certainly does not mean they have everything right, they don't!! But neither do you or the Christian church you attend.

And also, so that you know, I have never attended a Catholic service in my life. Yet He had me open a Christian bookstore for Him and then talked to me a bit about the different Christian churches, which are His! Now truly, not every church that might seem to be are His, but generally speaking, those who are Christian churches are Christian churches! Still, they are all full of people, even if they are His people, and people make mistakes. That includes you and I. So are you going to judge them? What do we read about this?

Jn 8:7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

So, are you really going to throw a stone (a law) at her His church, instead of first seeking him who alone is without sin? So I am point you to Him, not me, but Him, so that you might first seek Him.

I tell you truly, that He personally had me get a set of those beads to put in the Christian bookstore He had me open incase some Catholic Christian person came into the store and wanted them. And I can also tell you personally that I did get some (just a couple) very interesting Catholic Christians into my bookstore. Indeed, not too many miles away was a Charismatic Catholic bookstore, and someone came in from there one day and I had a great conversation with her. She heard from the Lord really well. In fact, if I was guessing and it is just a guess, I would think she heard from the Lord better than you do, based solely upon my conversation with her. From my conversation with her it seemed she both spoke in tongues and could hear from Him well enough to interpret tongues. That may not be true with those you specifically were talking about, but be careful about judging and make it about seek Him and His voice! And also pay close attention to what He actually says and ask Him questions after He speaks to get more understanding! He like honest questions because He likes us learning from Him personally!!
I am not pointing anyone to me. Where do you even get this? You have so many words and honestly I am bored reading it and have no interest to even hear your thoughts. I know scripture and He has opened my heart, eyes and ears. HE has, He does, and He will!

Tolerance of false teachings will be punished.