A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[MonoBiblical]

I am not sure. Here is where it is in the https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

I think the problem may have been name calling and poorly treating others.

The JWs are failing very badly in the United States. A bunch of liberal Unitarian tools who don't know anything and are encouraged to be ignorant. Who would want to join that?

 

[Runningman]

go to newadvent.org write down your basic beliefs and try to find them there. The early Church Fathers were taught by the Apostles. If you can not find what you believe there, then you do not hold to Historiacl Christianity and thus you are lost in your sins --- likely because you have a false Jesus.

I found my basic beliefs on newadvent.org. Now what? Am I a Christian now or no?

 

[MonoBiblical]

I found my basic beliefs on newadvent.org. Now what? Am I a Christian now or no?

Are you Eastern Orthodox or Catholic?

 

[Runningman]

The JWs are failing very badly in the United States. A bunch of liberal Unitarian tools who don't know anything and are encouraged to be ignorant. Who would want to join that?

According to an article written back in March, Trinitarians are jumping ship in droves.

The Trinitarian Exodus

Masses of Christians are renouncing the Trinity doctrine.

medium.com

 

[Runningman]

Are you Eastern Orthodox or Catholic?

Unitarian.

 

[MonoBiblical]

According to an article written back in March, Trinitarians are jumping ship in droves.

The Trinitarian Exodus

I wish it were Creationist heavy Unitarianism, but there is much oneness and Ehrman sympathizing.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Unitarian.

I am a Unitarian with a post-millennial twist.

 

[Runningman]

I am a Unitarian with a post-millennial twist.

For me I could go either way with post-mill or historic pre-mill.

 

[MonoBiblical]

For me I could go either way with post-mill or historic pre-mill.

Can you believe the second coming of Christ already happened?

 

[Runningman]

Can you believe the second coming of Christ already happened?

I haven't dismissed preterism either. It has some good points, but also some problems. I would say it could at least be partially true. What do you think?

 

[MonoBiblical]

I haven't dismissed preterism either. It has some good points, but also some problems. I would say it could at least be partially true. What do you think?

The biggest problem is explaining how last punishment of mankind is done without the return of Jesus. I think he will be there, but punishment will be sudden. Gog and Magog?

 

[Runningman]

The biggest problem is explaining how last punishment of mankind is done without the return of Jesus. I think he will be there, but punishment will be sudden. Gog and Magog?

Gog and Magog doesn't seem to have happened. A lot of things don't seem to have happened, yet some things are said that suggest otherwise. Like Revelation 1:1 gives a sense of immanency about the things he talks about. It would follow that there should be an expectation of this happening within a timely manner, not 2,000 or more years later.

 

[Jack]

Preterism would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so sad.

Soon to come:

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

 

[RedFan]

According to an article written back in March, Trinitarians are jumping ship in droves.

The Trinitarian Exodus

Masses of Christians are renouncing the Trinity doctrine.

medium.com

Just read the article. I see that Titus Matthewson has one follower. Is that you?

 

[Runningman]

Just read the article. I see that Titus Matthewson has one follower. Is that you?

No it's not me. I might add, the author of that article promotes an idea that I don't agree with. The author actually believes Jesus is God, but not in the Trinitarian sense. He is most likely Oneness, but doesn't come right out and say it. His point is that church numbers are decreasing, i.e., people are leaving Trinitarianism and going to something else whether it be a different theology or committing apostasy all together.

 

[Jack]

No it's not me. I might add, the author of that article promotes an idea that I don't agree with. The author actually believes Jesus is God, but not in the Trinitarian sense. He is most likely Oneness, but doesn't come right out and say it. His point is that church numbers are decreasing, i.e., people are leaving Trinitarianism and going to something else whether it be a different theology or committing apostasy all together.

Please explain. Jesus is God or He isn't. The Bible says He is!

 

[Runningman]

Please explain. Jesus is God or He isn't. The Bible says He is!

Well, it's just as I said. Trinitarians don't hold a monopoly on their belief in the deity of Jesus. There is Oneness theology, there is Binitarianism, there is Modalism, there is Social Trinitarianism, and there are probably miscellaneous flavors of all of those and other theologies/schools of thought about Jesus' perceived deity.

The Bible also doesn't really say Jesus is God. There are the Jews (Jesus included) who don't believe that and they predate the Trinitarians by millenia. There were Jewish converts, the Ebionites, and Arians who were also non-Trinitarians in the early church.

 

[Jack]

Well, it's just as I said. Trinitarians don't hold a monopoly on their belief in the deity of Jesus. There is Oneness theology, there is Binitarianism, there is Modalism, there is Social Trinitarianism, and there are probably miscellaneous flavors of all of those and other theologies/schools of thought about Jesus' perceived deity.

The Bible also doesn't really say Jesus is God. There are the Jews (Jesus included) who don't believe that and they predate the Trinitarians by millenia. There were Jewish converts, the Ebionites, and Arians who were also non-Trinitarians in the early church.

IOW, you've never read the Bible.

Gen 1 God said "Let US make man in OUR image"...

Father and Son!

Which also proves that Col 1 is correct, By Jesus ALL THINGS were created!

And Thomas was correct calling Jesus , "My Lord and my God"!

And Isaiah was correct calling Jesus "Mighty God"!

 

[Wrangler]

Please explain. Jesus is God or He isn't. The Bible says He is!

We are not supposed to talk about this Jack. No verse says what you claim. You have to read it into the unitarian text of the Jewish monotheists.

 

[Wrangler]

Gen 1 God said "Let US make man in OUR image"...

Father and Son!

Under no definition does us/our refer to father and son. Regarding math, 2 does not equal 3.