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Ritajanice

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Right. There are no more scriptures I can tell you that will change your mind. So here is my last resort: See If you don't think that you have sinned since you were born again and wish to wager on it, and follow up there. This is the second time I have asked.
I have also asked you and a few others to explain what it means to be “ BORN AGAIN “?

If you can’t, then how on earth can you rebuke not only the Living Holy Spirit, who is Gods Living witness, who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

Please explain what that means Tony?....you then go onto rebuke his written word?

I will not let you rebuke Gods word!!!
1 Corinthians 2:14
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
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The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

New Living Translation
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.

English Standard Version
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Berean Standard Bible
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Berean Literal Bible
But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because spiritually they are discerned.


Anyone can say the earth is flat and he is sinless. If someone really believes that, he should put money where his mouth is.
I NEVER said I was at one time without sin.we were all sinners and deserving of Gods wrath.

I am now Born Again...as you say, put your money where your mouth is and explain that it means?





I have posted scripture regarding a “ Born Again “ Tony....do you actually know what it means to be “ Born Again of imperishable seed?

There is NOWHERE in scripture that says a “ Born Again “ sins?

Show me it?

It’s not a case of putting my “ money where my mouth is”

You are arguing with Gods word and He won’t allow it.

We were all sinners before we became “ Born Again “ now that we are Born Again..

Gods witness the Living Holy Spirit says a Born Again doesn’t sin because the have been Born Of God’s seed.

Now, until you can actually understand that in your heart/ spirit, then your words are void and they are un- truths.

Those who say a Born Again sins , is because imo they have no understanding of what it means to be “ Born Of The Spirit...I’ve yet to see them or you explain what that actually means, that is why they continually rebuke Gods written word backed up by His Living word.

Therefore until you or them can do that, I will continually rebuke your post.

God is NOT a liar, one should know that if they have the witness, the Living Holy Spirit in their heart/ spirit, all this wind about the flesh .

We aren’t in the flesh we are in the Spirit?

This is where they lack spiritual knowledge, which is known in the heart/ spirit, we are spiritual children of God....we aren’t flesh children of God...

So, until anyone can understand that..they will keep repeating that same old lie of “ their” flesh.

1 John 3​

King James Version​

3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
 
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Yes, I know there are those who spin long and convoluted stories about not being subject to these factors after being 'born again'.
What does being “ Born Again “ mean then?

Surly you can back up your opinion, by using scripture that a Born Again, repeat I say that a Born Again sins?

How can you know any of what you post to be true, if you have no understanding in your heart/ spirit on what being Born Again of imperishable seed means?

I mean if you and others can back up your opinions using scripture, then I’m only to willing to listen.

First though...it would be great if you can explain what it means to be Born Again?...in our spirit?

If you can’t, then how on earth can you rebuke not only the witness of the Living Holy Spirit, who is Gods Living witness, who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

Plus you rebuke his written word?

I’m afraid it’s the flesh that rebukes Gods Living witness in our hearts/ spirit, there is no flesh in a Born Again, it’s the old mindset that we fight with..not the flesh.

Just as God say..the renewing of our minds....how can our minds be renewed if we are still in the flesh?

How can we renew our minds if we are still in the flesh?

How can we be conformed to this world any longer, if we are Born Of The Spirit.

You understand that is a “ Living spiritual rebirth “ do you not?

What is the seed we have been Born Again of....a Living seed or a dead seed?

Does that seed take root or does it wither and die?

Romans 12:2​

King James Version​

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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The 'born again' expression is given a spin it was never intended to have because it suits the pride of the flesh......evidenced by the 'how to' posts....in this case, 'born again'
Please explain what the “ Born Again” expression means.....makes no sense to me?

What in us has been “ Born Again “?

Romans 8:9

2 Corinthians 5:1
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
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For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

New Living Translation
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

English Standard Version
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Berean Standard Bible
Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

Berean Literal Bible
For we know that if the tent of our earthly house should be destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens


Audio Crossref Comment Greek
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New International Version
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

New Living Translation
But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)

English Standard Version
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Berean Standard Bible
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ

 

Ritajanice

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Study God's Word... the answer is in there waiting on you to learn the Truth
I don’t need to study God’s written word to know that I am Born Again?

To be Born Of The Spirit, is a Living spiritual rebirth?

Which means what exactly?

You need the Living Holy Spirit to back up your written word as of yet, I only see “ YOU” leading yourself through the written word....

Now, when you can actually explain what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed, you may then be able to build your case....until then, you sound as though you are still in ignorance and have zero knowledge of the Living Holy Spirit?

Even as a Born Again I too was in ignorance regarding sin, only the witness of God the Holy Spirit can witness that to our heart/ spirit......which is in His timing, if you hold onto ego/ pride as I once did, don’t expect to hear anything from God’s Living witness the Holy Spirit......He hates PRIDE!!!!..


what does it actually means to be Born Again, by the Living Spirit Of God?



What seed were you Born Again of?

The written word? Or by Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit?

We are spiritual children of God...we aren’t Of this world?

The seed that liveth and abideth forever......where does that seed liveth and abideth forever?
 
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Standing on the word of God, isn’t a popularity contest, it’s called being obedient to not only the written word of God, also listening to Gods witness of his truth.

The Living Holy Spirit?

Where does he witness Gods truth in us?

Whatever the witness places on my heart/ spirit to speak out, it will be done, regardless of unpopularity on the forum because it upsets their truth.......I only want to be popular with the Lord as he leads me into His truth..not man made truth.... ...that there is my opinion/ testimony/belief.

I ain’t no wallflower any more, I have been..

I hope this doesn’t lead to my banning from this forum, if that’s the case then so be it....God is in control make no mistake about that.

I would sooner die rather than let some trample and stomp out Gods word....
 
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Please explain what the “ Born Again” expression means.....makes no sense to me?

What in us has been “ Born Again “?

Romans 8:9

2 Corinthians 5:1
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

New Living Translation
For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

English Standard Version
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Berean Standard Bible
Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is dismantled, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

Berean Literal Bible
For we know that if the tent of our earthly house should be destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens


Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

New Living Translation
But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)

English Standard Version
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Berean Standard Bible
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ
The term or expression 'born again' means having a new mindset. For me that means being inline /compatible with the mind of God.
What does that look like?....it looks like Jesus of Nazareth. How is that ultimately manifest? I find it embodied in the few final words Jesus uttered, 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do'
Those who are born again will have the same attitude.
 

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The term or expression 'born again' means having a new mindset. For me that means being inline /compatible with the mind of God.
What does that look like?....it looks like Jesus of Nazareth. How is that ultimately manifest? I find it embodied in the few final words Jesus uttered, 'Father forgive them, they know not what they do'
Those who are born again will have the same attitude.
Being Born Again is the Living spiritual rebirth

You can’t renew your mind not until we have been Born Again.

How can we renew our mind without His Living Spirit.

How can you know about Jesus without the Living witness indwelling one’s heart/ spirit daily, where does our spiritual knowledge come from ...it can only come from the Living witness in us, who witnesses Gods truth to our heart/ spirit......there is NO truth in me, my truth comes from Gods Living witness who made me Born Again in my spirit.

He uses me all according to his purpose and plan, I can either obey or not...guess what “ I’m obeying “...there I have voiced my opinion/ testimony and belief just like you just did.


What do you think Born Of The Spirit means..you believe having a new mindset...I don’t, shall we leave it there?

Different levels of understanding...and I’m not saying I’m ahead of you, before anyone jumps on me.
It seems to me some are still holding onto their ego/ pride..if we do that....the witness will remain silent, talking from my own experience.....I hate not hearing from the Living Holy Spirit.....therefore renewing one’s mind in that area...” drop the pride and ego”.put on the mind of Christ.
 
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Being Born Again is the Living spiritual rebirth

You can’t renew your mind not until we have been Born Again.

How can we renew our mind without His Living Spirit.

What do you think Born Of The Spirit means..you believe having a new mindset...I don’t, shall we leave it there?

Different levels of understanding...and I’m not saying I’m ahead of you, before anyone jumps on me.
Bouncing the term around as if it is open to a 'method' holds no appeal to me and therefore not debatable.

Born again is an action of God. Do we suppose Paul was born again? ....on the Damascus Road? Did he negotiate with God or jump through certain theological or behavioural hoops for it to be effective? Did he have a 'how to' manual to consult or someone to advise him?

If we think and talk in the above terms you can be assured that any born again talk aint the genuine article.
 

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Bouncing the term around as if it is open to a 'method' holds no appeal to me and therefore not debatable.

Born again is an action of God. Do we suppose Paul was born again? ....on the Damascus Road? Did he negotiate with God or jump through certain theological or behavioural hoops for it to be effective? Did he have a 'how to' manual to consult or someone to advise him?
Paul was led by God....Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

We have the Living witness who indwells our heart/ spirit...were in the spirit were not in the flesh?

Our spirit is Alive and Active in Christ...

Romans 8:10​


“And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”

How does one become in the righteousness of Christ?

How do we become right with God?

Just by reading the written word?
If we think and talk in the above terms you can be assured that any born again talk aint the genuine article.
This is your opinion, no spiritual words in this post..

We don’t live in Paul’s time...which does not relate to being Born Of The Spirit In this day and age.

Our spirit is Born Again....the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

Your can only discuss being Born Again in the spirit, that’s where we communicate with God, via His Spirit, we are his spiritual children.

We aren’t of the world anymore ,we are in Gods Spiritual Kingdom, with spiritual eyes to see and spiritual ears to hear?

Who develops our spiritual eyes and ears in us to see and hear?...do you think it’s yourself?

I learn from God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit, which backs up His written word.....you need the Living witness to deliver Gods truth to our spirit/ heart....other than that, you are just leading yourself through the written word of God..without the witness The Living Holy Spirit.

By the way I don’t bounce Gods word around.

Where did I say being Born Again is a method?

Gods witness His Holy Spirit witnesses perfectly to our spirit how we are Born Of The Spirit, then the Living Holy Spirit that makes our spirit Born Again, backs up Gods written word.

There is no life in us without God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit, he witnesses Gods truth to our heart/ spirit 24/7.

Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.


In our hearts/ spirit!..that’s where the Living seed is planted...where it will continue to grow/ mature and flourish....

All Glory to God and his Almighty powerful witness...the “ Living “Holy Spirit.

Thank you Lord for that heart revelation!!!.....
 
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truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:5-6)

I think we are not getting the right meaning of this text by Jesus. First of all, I believe that Nicodemus was a secret follower of Christ. Maybe a very new one who had not sorted out his life yet re his job.

So if he was already 'born again' according to the common conception of it, why did Jesus say what He said? Because He followed it with some vital information.

He grouped together the physical births and the spiritual births. Nicodemus pointed out that one grouping made no sense ie the physical, so it follows that the other sense stood that is, the spiritual sense. Born a second time. A conversion and then a Spirit baptism. It makes no sense to me otherwise. Water is usually meant to be the waters at birth. I don't think so. Water was the means to the baptism of John given to conversions.

Please do not try to convince me, I already agreed with you for about 40 years of my walk but no longer do.
 

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"For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." Proverbs 24:16

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:1

Weather this is a metaphor that "God remembers our sin no more" or actual of His part I do not know, but these verses were put there for a reason.
JMHO
Amen!
 
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Hebrews 8:


i.e., by the indwelling Paraclete


Does God actually forget?

No, MacLaren explained:


Similarly, Barns:


An attribute of God is omniscience. The language of Heb 8:12 is metaphorical and anthropomorphic. God will not remember our sins to condemn us to hell. However, Christ will judge our good deeds and bad deeds and reward us accordingly.
i hope by Maclaren you dont mean BRIAN Maclaren . that man is decieving folks big time . he and his emergent camp
have led many to destruction . I say that in case you meant BRIAN MacLaren .
 
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Hey there Q.T.

"As people we are infected with the virus that compels us to look out for number 1."

Yes I agree. And there is none IMO I cannot imagine a "sinless" human being, homo-sapien, earthey carnal (once) beings can ever be without at least sinful thoughts at some time or another. That is one of the first things Jesus changed, that in me He has given me a "them first "desire" not just attitude but, the desire itself. Is it there every single time, unfortunately not yet. All the same He gave me that one, wasn't me, that's for sure!

"....and feelings? Jesus confirms this."
Good to know we do not live by our very fickle "feelings". If I do, I'm all over the map.
God has emotions and feelings as well yet, He expresses His in a HOLY way, us...not so much.

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no man or woman will ever be without sinless thoughts . the question is
The reminder is , TRUE lambs DONT have to be obediant unto those thoughts .
But yes there is evil within all of our flesh and the sin that sins brings those evil thoughts into our minds .
BUT GREATER IS HE WHO IS WITHIN THE LAMBS than the flesh . We aint gotta DO IT .
In fact IF we have the SPIRIT , you know darn well when those evil thoughts and etc arise
they are NO GOOD , contrary to GOD and we dont want them . BRING every thought captive to THE OBEIDANCE of CHRIST .
if a lust pops into our mind , DONT HEED IT , HEED rather the SPIRIT that would warn us against it .
IF we heed the SPIRIT we would not Act upon the thought . but if we enteratin the thought WE DO act upon it .
Correct you are though sister . EVIL is present with us in the flesh . that be a fact .
and it be a contrary MONSTER that we ought NOT TO HEED . and if one do err , REPENT .
GOD is merciful . but if one tries rather to justify it and their evil , WELL that my dear WONT BODE WELL FOR THEM .
 

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Anyone can say the earth is flat and he is sinless.

Unbelievers have their sin, and Jesus says that if they die, never born again, they will "die in their Sins"

Whereas..

The born again, are "made righteous", and "God hath made JESUS to be sin for us"..

How?

"Jesus is the ONE TIME......ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN">..

So, when you find a person on a forum who is telling the BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS that they have their Sin ,then this person is rejecting the Cross of Christ... = They are publicly denying that Jesus is the "Sin Bearer" and the "ONE TIME, =Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"

Reader..

Welcome To : Salvation

Jesus has your sin, and YOU have been given "the GIFT of Righteousness" and are "made free from sin"...
 

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Unbelievers have their sin, and Jesus says that if they die, never born again, they will "die in their Sins"

Whereas..

The born again, are "made righteous", and "God hath made JESUS to be sin for us"..

How?

"Jesus is the ONE TIME......ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN">..

So, when you find a person on a forum who is telling the BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS that they have their Sin ,then this person is rejecting the Cross of Christ... = They are publicly denying that Jesus is the "Sin Bearer" and the "ONE TIME, =Eternal Sacrifice for Sin"

Reader..

Welcome To : Salvation

Jesus has your sin, and YOU have been given "the GIFT of Righteousness" and are "made free from sin"...
i sure hope ol tony didnt mean BRIAN MacLaren . that be a wolf in sheeps attire
and though he can smile big and appear very friendly and encourages hugs , My goodness that be a wolf in wool .
i know well about that man . He has come within the emergent realm to decieve .
 

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Hebrews 8:


i.e., by the indwelling Paraclete


Does God actually forget?

No, MacLaren explained:


Similarly, Barns:


An attribute of God is omniscience. The language of Heb 8:12 is metaphorical and anthropomorphic. God will not remember our sins to condemn us to hell. However, Christ will judge our good deeds and bad deeds and reward us accordingly.
Personally I think He remembers our sins no more so completely, so wholeheartedly is the removal of “the workers of iniquity” …the putting off of the old man with his dead works, where He says “I never knew you who works iniquity”: as a woman remembers her travail and anguish no more —for the joy —-as He despised the shame but endured, for the joy set before Him…

…for the joy. John 16:21-22 KJV
A woman when she is in travail has sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembers no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. [22] And you now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man takes from you.

A Fruit of the Spirit of God is long-suffering, yet a fruit is also Joy…i personally love “I never knew you who works iniquity” because that’s what we are told to put off, to cast away that old where if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature. The old creature never having known God, nor was the old creature known of God. Isn’t that what is says rather to be “known of God”
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage?

It’s hard for people to forget the old you. How often do we spend a lifetime trying to atone for our past and our mistakes. As if the way we were still defines us …what if Paul was always defined by Saul’s actions in God remembering his consenting to stephens death and those laying their coats at Saul’s feet. What if all that is remembered is is Saul’s taking the body which he persecuted to be imprisoned. To me God never knew Saul who worked iniquity(how he wasted and destroyed the body of Christ) …. but God knows Paul; a vessel of mercy. How completely Saul— I knew not as a worker of iniquity…even Paul’s “Lord, who are you?” “I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute.”
 

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Personally I think He remembers our sins no more so completely, so wholeheartedly is the removal of “the workers of iniquity”

God laid the sin of us all on the Body of Jesus, who "bore all our sin" to the GRAVE.

Jesus's body that was slain for our sin, died, and our sin went into the Grave with the Body of Jesus..

When Jesus rose from the Dead, our sin didnt.

We , the born again, do not have sin.....we have "The Gift of Righteousness".. we have "the imputed righteousness of Christ".

Before we were born again, we were sinners, "In our SIN">..... and now that we are born again, we are a "new Creation"......"made RIGHTEOUS". = "'made free from sin".
 

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All of our sins were forgiven when we became Born Again of imperishable seed.

The cross ,death and resurrection of Jesus was needed in order that we can become Born Again.

The cross does not make one’s spirit Born Again, only Gods witness His Living Holy Spirit can do that supernatural act....

Because of the cross, that’s how our spirit can be Born Again...looking to a cross saves no one.