Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Wrangler]

That’s why we have God’s word….to reveal the big picture…..most people have no clue as to what it is, but it’s all there in the Bible

Not really. And it’s not that complicated. Love God. Love Others.

No one needs to or can study the Bible for 50 years BEFORE living those 50 years with a functional and defensible world view, a moral code.

Some are intellectual, like us, getting into all the weeds, but most are not. And that’s OK.

Even Christ said there are more important parts of the law. Matthew 23:23. Knowledge is not required for salvation - not comprehensive, encyclopedic knowledge, anyway.

 

[Wrangler]

We need both.

No! We don’t need both! We are NOT saved by a book!

Most Christians who ever lived did not read the Bible.

 

[Grailhunter]

still it means the same thing . You are way overthinking things my friend .
marriage ceremony , wedding ceremony , are we really gonna strive over words that MEAN the same thing .
Ponder on that for a bit . In the meanwhile this lamb gonna remind all and continue to remind all , and continually
by grace remind all to be in that bible daily , be in prayer , for we have amongst us many deceivers .
Do be encouraged my friend .

Greetings friend....
But you are not thinking enough. This is very simple.
In Old Testament men took wives and that was how it was done, simple as that.
No ceremony required.

And Wedding Ceremonies being made a requirement by the Protestants in the 16th century is just history.

The fact that the phrase wedding ceremony does not occur in the scriptures is a simple fact.

Then a ceremony without a name….Old or New Testament does not occur. Nor does the requirement of any ceremony occur in the Old or New Testament.

The truth can be shocking….no apologies….the Apostles ran into this all the time. Today Christianity is a norm but back then Christianity was shocking.

 

[amigo de christo]

Greetings friend....
But you are not thinking enough. This is very simple.
In Old Testament men took wives and that was how it was done, simple as that.
No ceremony required.

And Wedding Ceremonies being made a requirement by the Protestants in the 16th century is just history.

The fact that the phrase wedding ceremony does not occur in the scriptures is a simple fact.

Then a ceremony without a name….Old or New Testament does not occur. Nor does the requirement of any ceremony occur in the Old or New Testament.

The truth can be shocking….no apologies….the Apostles ran into this all the time. Today Christianity is a norm but back then Christianity was shocking.

wedding or marriage cermonies were made mention of , and if they were in error
WHY DID JESUS TURN the water into wine at such a ceremony .

 

[amigo de christo]

Greetings friend....
But you are not thinking enough. This is very simple.
In Old Testament men took wives and that was how it was done, simple as that.
No ceremony required.

And Wedding Ceremonies being made a requirement by the Protestants in the 16th century is just history.

The fact that the phrase wedding ceremony does not occur in the scriptures is a simple fact.

Then a ceremony without a name….Old or New Testament does not occur. Nor does the requirement of any ceremony occur in the Old or New Testament.

The truth can be shocking….no apologies….the Apostles ran into this all the time. Today Christianity is a norm but back then Christianity was shocking.

todays christainity has far bigger problems . Its heeding the religious tolerance act of pope franics
the abraham peace accords of pope francis . Before anyone tries to correct me on that
and say something like , HEY AMIGO ya big dumb jack , IT was TRUMP pushing this in
LET ME REMIND US , ITS THE WORDS OF POPE FRANCIS HIMSELF , the agenda of the one world religoin
WE GETTING DUPED my dear friend.
SOON we will hear the call , the call that makes a this huge apology and sayeth
we were wrong about some things , lets just all come together and try and find common ground and just get along .
YOU will begin to see even on the conservative side
peoples , leaders rising up to try and tone down the division and rather try and get us to just find common ground .
WAIT FOR IT , THE FALSE SOLUTION IS EVERYWHERE NOW .
SOON and very sooon it will be men like me who did not conform
that will be seen as THE OLD , the hater , the wrong mind . YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE .
What is and what is coming cannot be stopped . IT WILL BE ENDED ONLY on the DAY OF JESUS CHRIST
when HE COMETH for the lambs and to lay down the wrath of GOD against those who loved A LIE .

 

[Grailhunter]

just as i said , i would NOT tell him to put away the other two . I too am GLAD it has mostly stopped .
as far as being a form of female slavery . GOD allowed it . its not a form of female slavery
WELL , well in the old testatment form of it . BUT OH YES , the forms i see of it
that exists in some religoins has made cattle out of the women .
David had quite a few wives now didnt he . YOU really think he made slaves of them . I TROW NOT .
but i do agree with you that what i see and hear of today , its made women into cattle .

Yea I said a form of female slavery….they were owned and would be killed if they ran off.

It is no secret that women were handled as property in the Old Testament and part of the New Testament until around the Middle Ages. Wives were bought from their fathers and fathers could sell their daughters as sex slaves….concubines.

And what David and Solomon did was wrong. There is a Mosaic Law against kings having a lot wives. And one of the reasons they did was to make treaties with Pagan nations which was also wrong there is also a Mosaic Law against making treaties or peace with Pagan nations….the were suppose kill all Pagans.

 

[amigo de christo]

No! We don’t need both! We are NOT saved by a book!

Most Christians who ever lived did not read the Bible.

Those who loved a lie are gonna pay a heavy price in the lake of fire .
I marvel that so very many within even christendom have been turned against those who
remind us to Stay in the bible and against even the truth in that bible .
Many are gonna wail on the day of the LORD . many .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yea I said a form of female slavery….they were owned and would be killed if they ran off.

It is no secret that women were handled as property in the Old Testament and part of the New Testament until around the Middle Ages. Wives were bought from their fathers and fathers could sell their daughters as sex slaves….concubines.

And what David and Solomon did was wrong. There is a Mosaic Law against kings having a lot wives. And one of the reasons they did was to make treaties with Pagan nations which was also wrong there is also a Mosaic Law against making treaties or peace with Pagan nations….the were suppose kill all Pagans.

rather odd this idea is , this belief is .
HOW were women viewed as property when even paul said THE MAN has not power over his own body BUT THE WIFE .
and etc . SOMEONE is being sold a bill of rotted goods .
and it aint me either .
Let the husband give benevolence unto the wife and the wife unto the husband .
SOUNDS TO ME like we bess get in our bibles again . and real fast .
NOW I know the mindset existed in some within christendom that wives were seen as property
BUT IT WAS NOT SO with paul and the early church . BIBLE TIME FOLKS . this lamb by grace
has been in them pages since day one that i was called . hours daily and still LOVE IT TODAY .
That was almost eighteen years ago . I SEE WHY GOD PUT ME INTO THAT BOOK TOO .
so i can only do all i can by grace to get others to get BACK IN IT and to stay in it and read it daily .

 

[Wrangler]

I marvel that so very many within even christendom have been turned against those who
remind us to Stay in the bible and against even the truth in that bible .

No one is doing the that. Point is, reading the Bible and understand proper doctrines fully are not a requirement for salvation.

Many things are good. Not all things are required for salvation.

 

[Grailhunter]

todays christainity has far bigger problems . Its heeding the religious tolerance act of pope franics
the abraham peace accords of pope francis . Before anyone tries to correct me on that
and say something like , HEY AMIGO ya big dumb jack , IT was TRUMP pushing this in
LET ME REMIND US , ITS THE WORDS OF POPE FRANCIS HIMSELF , the agenda of the one world religoin
WE GETTING DUPED my dear friend.
SOON we will hear the call , the call that makes a this huge apology and sayeth
we were wrong about some things , lets just all come together and try and find common ground and just get along .
YOU will begin to see even on the conservative side
peoples , leaders rising up to try and tone down the division and rather try and get us to just find common ground .
WAIT FOR IT , THE FALSE SOLUTION IS EVERYWHERE NOW .
SOON and very sooon it will be men like me who did not conform
that will be seen as THE OLD , the hater , the wrong mind . YOU JUST WAIT AND SEE .
What is and what is coming cannot be stopped . IT WILL BE ENDED ONLY on the DAY OF JESUS CHRIST
when HE COMETH for the lambs and to lay down the wrath of GOD against those who loved A LIE .

I want to understand you but you have been doing this for years, you seem to be talking in circles. Break it down to exactly what you are trying to say by topic. And don’t worry about Pope Francis most Christians do not care what he says….heck most Catholics do not care what he says.

The point(s) you are making maybe misunderstood, so lets make it clear.

 

[amigo de christo]

No one is doing the that. Point is, reading the Bible and understand proper doctrines fully are not a requirement for salvation.

Many things are good. Not all things are required for salvation.

many follow the concept of slavation and not Salvation . to learn what that means
OPEN the bible for you . i have seen things you have said that are totally contrary
to EVEN THE VERY GOSPEL OF JESUS ITSELF . and you think its not a salvational issue . IT IS .
THERE IS NONE WHO IS GOOD WRANGLER . the muslims and all other religoins are SERVING satan wrangler
JUST LIKE I once did , and even when i too could lip HIS VERY NAME .
WE better GET IN THE BIBLE wrangler . i just wonder what it is that is in that bible
that bothers you so much that you had rather heed the voices of the ever changing flow of men
rather THAN THAT BOOK . that i cannot answer for you .

 

[amigo de christo]

I want to understand you but you have been doing this for years, you seem to be talking in circles. Break it down to exactly what you are trying to say by topic. And don’t worry about Pope Francis most Christians do not care what he says….heck most Catholics do not care what he says.

The point(s) you are making maybe misunderstood, so lets make it clear.

but i was on topic . what i told you paul himself wrote . the mindset that women were property
was NEVER IN THE TRUE CHURCH . look at what paul taught .
i think the problem is that people like the idea that somehow christanity changed and adapted
rather than the TRUTH .
I can expose much by simply reminding folks about what THE APOSTELS taught .
I JUST exposed what you said by reminding you of what PUAL said and wrote .
This mindset that women were property was never IN THE MINDS of the true church . look at what PAUL taught .
HE was one of the early ones . WE NEED to get ourselves back into the bible .
JUST the bible . now what i mean by JUST the bible is , STOP reading it through the lens of men
and their scholars and etc , JUST READ IT FOR YOURSELF . i have been , BY GRACE , BY GRACE , BY GRACE ,
for almost eighteen years . Now if you are wondering why i said BY GRACE three times
ITS CAUSE i give ME NO CREDIT . THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about me , CEPT THE HOLY SPIRIT
i have never once came to make desciples to of ME . ALWAYS and by grace
what HAVE I SAID TO ALL . GET IN THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES . EVEN TEST ME . BUT DONT TEST ME
against your thoughts and precepts of men . YOU GOTTA LEARN THAT BIBLE FOR YOU , TEST ME AGAINST THAT .

 

[Grailhunter]

rather odd this idea is , this belief is .
HOW were women viewed as property when even paul said THE MAN has not power over his own body BUT THE WIFE .
and etc . SOMEONE is being sold a bill of rotted goods .
and it aint me either .
Let the husband give benevolence unto the wife and the wife unto the husband .
SOUNDS TO ME like we bess get in our bibles again . and real fast .
NOW I know the mindset existed in some within christendom that wives were seen as property
BUT IT WAS NOT SO with paul and the early church . BIBLE TIME FOLKS . this lamb by grace
has been in them pages since day one that i was called . hours daily and still LOVE IT TODAY .
That was almost eighteen years ago . I SEE WHY GOD PUT ME INTO THAT BOOK TOO .
so i can only do all i can by grace to get others to get BACK IN IT and to stay in it and read it daily .

I know what the Paul said….Be nice to them and to God there is no difference between male and female….But he also said.. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 1st Corinthians 11:3

It was a different culture, they did not consider polygamy or concubinage to be mean.

The Jews practiced polygamy for a thousand years after the biblical era. Jewish-Christians practiced it until the end of the 1st century….did they stop on their own? There is little evidence that the Jewish-Christians survived past the 1st century.

But Christianity adopted the custom of fathers choosing their daughter's husband and money being exchanged. If I remember correctly Catholic Church officially stopped this around the 10th century but it continued on and still in some countries still today as traditions.

 

[amigo de christo]

I know what the Paul said….Be nice to them and to God there is no difference between male and female….But he also said.. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 1st Corinthians 11:3

It was a different culture, they did not consider polygamy or concubinage to be mean.

The Jews practiced polygamy for a thousand years after the biblical era. Jewish-Christians practiced it until the end of the 1st century….did they stop on their own? There is little evidence that the Jewish-Christians survived past the 1st century.

But Christianity adopted the custom of fathers choosing their daughter's husband and money being exchanged. If I remember correctly Catholic Church officially stopped this around the 10th century but it continued on and still in some countries still today as traditions.

BECAUSE THE MAN IS THE HEAD . if you want an apology from me for saying that , HOLD never once thy breath .
But before you condemn me to the pits of hell for saying it
I INVITE you to talk personally TO WOMEN whom have heard me as well as men .
PAUL wasnt wrong to say the man is the head .
and before you say some of the things he taught was due to the laws of the land
TRY READING the bible . both he and peter gave BIBLICAL EXAMPLES OF WHY THIS WAS SO .
some of you all act like you all know better than paul and the other apostels .
as for me , I AM JUST IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM . but then , we were warned
the time would come when they would not ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE . WELL ITS MASSIVE TODAY .

 

[Grailhunter]

but i was on topic . what i told you paul himself wrote . the mindset that women were property
was NEVER IN THE TRUE CHURCH

What are you calling the true church? The Jewish-Christians or the Gentile-Christians? There has never been one belief in Christianity. The Catholics tried that and it lead them down a dark path. At the time of the Ecumenical Councils in the 4th century Christian beliefs varied widely. That was the purpose of the councils to get the “churches” to agree on one faith.

 

[Grailhunter]

i think the problem is that people like the idea that somehow christanity changed and adapted
rather than the TRUTH .

Truth… Pontius Pilate asked Christ that same question. What is your truth? Christianity changed even in the Bible and it continued to change to require marriage ceremonies and get rid of polygamy and concubinage and father’s control of his daughters.

Tell me what you think the truth is?

 

[amigo de christo]

I know what the Paul said….Be nice to them and to God there is no difference between male and female….But he also said.. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 1st Corinthians 11:3

It was a different culture, they did not consider polygamy or concubinage to be mean.

The Jews practiced polygamy for a thousand years after the biblical era. Jewish-Christians practiced it until the end of the 1st century….did they stop on their own? There is little evidence that the Jewish-Christians survived past the 1st century.

But Christianity adopted the custom of fathers choosing their daughter's husband and money being exchanged. If I remember correctly Catholic Church officially stopped this around the 10th century but it continued on and still in some countries still today as traditions.

YOU read FOR YOU why both peter and paul said this . THEY GAVE SCRIPTURAL REASONS .
todays generation only tries to say OH THEY SAID THIS OR THAT DUE TO THE TIMES OR ETC THEY LIVED IN .
NO , try reading the bible , THEY GAVE BIBLICAL REASONS .
and before you cast me to the lake of fire , not that you would its sarchasm ,
HOW COME NOT ONE APOSTLE JESUS CHOSE was female . NOW dont try and tell me
the same line it was due to culture or etc .
JESUS DIDINT LIVE BY CULTURE ,BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD . WELL HE IS THE WORD OF GOD .
Women cannot lead nor urusrp authority over the man .
BUT again before you kick me to the dogs , again sarchrasm ,
THIS DONT MEAN men cannot hearken unto the voice of their wife , as GOD TOLD even abraham about ISHAMEL
Women as do men serve a great purpose in the church . THEY JUST CANNOT LEAD NOR URSURP authority over it .
NOW hear this too .
IF YOU THINK for even a second that i am of the mindset that what the husband says IS LAW AND THE WOMEN must obey .
THINK AGAIN .
ABIGIAL . remember abigail .
IN the bible , A BOOK I OFTEN MAKE MENTION OF , we see a wife
of a husband name nabal .
Nabal rejected the servants of david and would not give food .
The servants of david spoke to abigail and TOLD HER about her husband .
SHE KNEW HE DID NOT APPROVE , YET SHE GAVE THEM FOOD ANWAY .
SHE WAS BLESSED . YOU SEE if anything , AND BOY I DO MEAN ANYTHING
a man , a woman OR EVEN THE GOVT says , CONTRADICTS GOD , WE DONT HEED A FRIGGIN WORD OF IT .
SO MUCH FOR THE OBEY GOVTS CRAP i keep hearing from a lot of church leaders .
OH I OBEY THE GOVT . dont get me wrong . BUT WHEN AND IF THAT GOVT PASSES ANY LAW
and i do MEAN ANY LAW that contradicts GOD . BET YOU BOTTOM DOLLAR that i wont be heeding that law . CAUSE I WONT .

 

[Grailhunter]

HE was one of the early ones . WE NEED to get ourselves back into the bible .

Back to the Bible….
Does that mean don’t worry about wedding ceremonies and back to polygamy and concubinage and having slaves.

 

[Grailhunter]

BECAUSE THE MAN IS THE HEAD . if you want an apology from me for saying that , HOLD never once thy breath .
But before you condemn me to the pits of hell for saying it

Friend....I am not condemning you. Just trying to understand you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Truth… Pontius Pilate asked Christ that same question. What is your truth? Christianity changed even in the Bible and it continued to change to require marriage ceremonies and get rid of polygamy and concubinage and father’s control of his daughters.

Tell me what you think the truth is?

christainty did NOT change the bible . MEN DID .
see some of us actually do our own research .
OL amigo , the big dummby devil anti christ that most think me to be
actually does his own research . AND surprise , surprise , ME can actually read .
I DID me own research in a real library . I learned FOR ME , FOR ME
about even the enlish language itself .
I read way back to old saxon . learned how even our langauge stems from german
how that we and quite a few other languagues actually later got our alaphabet from THE LATIN ONE .
NOW WHY DID I DO THIS .
AND WHAT DID IT PROVE .
AT LEAST UP UNTIL the GENEVA and KJV the bible was accurate and accurately translated .
NOW as far as the newer translations , YEAH we do got us some problems .
I learned how english itself never had the J per say . and that the german langauge , WHICH I already knew
in high school and later in College ,the J sounds like a Y .
Now our langauge did stem from german too .
BUT THE POINT IS , ME DID MY OWN HOMEWORK . AND I DID THIS about other denominations too
LIKE THE RCC , LIKE MORMON , LIKE JW , LIKE adventist and etc . I READ THEIR OWN BOOKS .
AND FOUND THEM FALSE TOO . notice i said i read their OWN BOOKS , not what men said about them .
YOU SEE I DID MY HOMEWORK . I ALSO BY GRACE STAYED IN ONLY ONE BOOK .
YES I did read some other books like rick warrnens purpose driven lie . AND DO UNDERSTAND WHY i said LIE and not life .
NOW ITS TIME we bible up . and fast too .