Why do some people not like the idea of OSAS?

[Raccoon1010]

The matter really is simple...

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Our 1st belief on Jesus Christ and our baptism is about "the remission of sins that are past"! That means sins we committed PRIOR to believing on Jesus Christ.

What about future sins we as believers may commit?


That... is the subject which Apostle John covers in 1 John 1. We are to repent... of FUTURE SINS we may discover that we do, and ask Jesus forgiveness. That is about keeping our WALK with Jesus by doing that. And John even says there, if we say we have no sin, we make Jesus a liar.

What then does OSAS teach instead?

In the extreme view of OSAS, it falsely teaches that the believer cannot sin anymore, ever. In other words, just go ahead and live your life, because all... future sin we may commit has already been forgiven by Lord Jesus's Blood shed upon His cross. WHAT?!? Wait a minute... didn't Apostle Paul reveal in that Romans 3 Scripture above that our first belief on Jesus only covers our sins that happened in the past up to the point of our first belief? YEAH! Paul did say that!

WHY... in the world then, would some preacher instead push the LIE that we as believers on Jesus Christ can never commit a sin again? Apostle Paul even said one that is dead is freed from sin (Romans 6:7). Why would Paul say that? It's simply because while we are in this flesh, we will always... fall short of the glory of God! We will still slip up at times, mainly because our fleshy desires and wants causes it. And if you don't think Apostle Paul knew this, then you should study Romans 7.

Satan wants us to think we don't need to watch and check ourselves for future sin. "Don't worry about it", is his motto. Thus the OSAS doctrine really is a doctrine of the devil, even though there's many illiterate country preachers out there that teach it, not understanding the lie they are pushing from the devil.

Phil 2:12
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
KJV

Was Apostle Paul giving that warning working out our salvation "with fear and trembling" because we as believers on Jesus Christ cannot sin anymore?

If you care about your soul brethren, you'll listen to God's Word instead of those deceived preachers.

Do I care about my soul? No, and no one should be so caring about their own salvation to forsake the sinners in helping them. And being around sinners can cause is to have temptations. Some people are so careful with their salvation that they come across as self righteous. I am thankful Jesus gave the talk on the parable of the tax collector and sinner. And the thief on the cross saved among others. Kinda puts a hole in some peoples doctrines. I think the point is that we should not be judging sinners as we don't walk in their shoes. And that God will choose whom he saves. Man shouldn't be concerned with that.

I know people that have not been poor and are privileged in life with riches. I know people that have not had illness and are privileged in life with health. People that are successful sometime don't understand why people that are unsuccessful are living like them. And they can be rude and arrogant.

We can't earn our way into heaven.

 

[Davy]

I don’t think Gods word says, those who don’t talk in tongues, aren’t Born Again, I thought tongues was a gift I don’t believe it’s a requirement do you?

A thorough study in 1 Corinthians by Paul shows not all speak the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost. His idea was how The Holy Spirit divides the gifts to each according to His will.
I believe many of the disciples in Paul's day had all the gifts Paul mentions, but not so much for today.

On this subject, for our times, one of the most important things we are to understand, is what Jesus showed in His Olive discourse, like Mark 13 about those who will delivered up to give a Testimony at the end, with The Holy Spirit speaking through those delivered up. He said to not think beforehand what we will say in that hour, but speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to speak, that is, for those of us delivered up at the end for the time of "great tribulation".

That will be about the true 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost, and that event is what was actually prophesied at the end of Joel 2 which is for the time just prior to the coming of the "day of the Lord" (i.e., the day of Jesus' future return). In Acts 2, Peter quoted from Joel 2, and when he said, "this is that", he was pointing to Acts 2 being an 'example' of the event at the end that Joel 2 was covering, which is the manifesting of the 'cloven tongue' to all nations, as a Testimony at the end of this world.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don’t think Gods word says, those who don’t talk in tongues, aren’t Born Again, I thought tongues was a gift I don’t believe it’s a requirement do you?

Agree.
The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is a subsequent experience to a renewed relationship with God.
Believers are filled with the indwelling Spirit upon renewing their relationship with God.

And there are more than one kind of tongues. Not just the Gift of Tongues. (#3 below)

Five Different Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (worship/edification)
2) Intercessory prayer language (praying for others in the Spirit)
3) A prophetic message for a congregation (the Gift of tongues)
4) Singing in the Spirit (worship/edification)
5) Evangelistic language (like at Pentecost)

There may be more.
We can't limit the Holy Spirit.

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[Ritajanice]

Agree.
The Baptism with the Holy Spirit is a subsequent experience to a renewed relationship with God.
Believers are filled with the indwelling Spirit upon renewing their relationship with God.

And there are more than one kind of tongues. Not just the Gift of Tongues. (#3 below)

Five Different Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (worship/edification)
2) Intercessory prayer language (praying for others in the Spirit)
3) A prophetic message for a congregation (the Gift of tongues)
4) Singing in the Spirit (worship/edification)
5) Evangelistic language (like at Pentecost)

There may be more.
We can't limit the Holy Spirit.

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I dance in the Spirit....he takes me over...is that biblical?

I do all of this..I’m oblivious to others who think I’ve lost the plot...

In the Bible, Psalms 149:3 says, “Let them praise his name with dancing…Praise him with tambourine and dance…”3In 2 Samuel 6:14–22, David dances before the Lord with all his might, providing us with a wonderful example of what it truly means to surrender to God in worship

 

[Davy]

Do I care about my soul? No, and no one should be so caring about their own salvation to forsake the sinners in helping them. And being around sinners can cause is to have temptations. Some people are so careful with their salvation that they come across as self righteous. I am thankful Jesus gave the talk on the parable of the tax collector and sinner. And the thief on the cross saved among others. Kinda puts a hole in some peoples doctrines. I think the point is that we should not be judging sinners as we don't walk in their shoes. And that God will choose whom he saves. Man shouldn't be concerned with that.

I know people that have not been poor and are privileged in life with riches. I know people that have not had illness and are privileged in life with health. People that are successful sometime don't understand why people that are unsuccessful are living like them. And they can be rude and arrogant.

We can't earn our way into heaven.

Repenting of sin we may commit after we have believed, has nothing to do with 'works' salvation ideas.

But nice try, with your trying to bring that falseness in like an attempted wedge against the 1 John 1 Scripture.

Nor does it have anything to do with being around sinners just because of temptations, which is yet another attempt to change the subject!

Just admit it, you don't want... to follow what the Scripture actually says. You'd rather think you're covered by your preacher's doctrines.

 

[St. SteVen]

I dance in the Spirit....he takes me over...is that biblical?

Yes. King David was criticized for that. (by his wife) - LOL

Or...

Psalm 149:3 NIV
Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with timbrel and harp.

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[Ritajanice]

Yes. King David was criticized for that. (by his wife) - LOL

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Oh really...I worship in a hall, which is in the middle of a council estate...when we dance and bang our tambourines...quite a few children come to the windows and watch...God Bless them.

 

[Ritajanice]

We can't earn our way into heaven.

Amen!!..Brother.

 

[Davy]

Amen!!..Brother.

So repenting to Christ is taboo in your camp, I see.

What about Communion with Christ? Should we just throw that away too, along with repentance of future sins we may slip up and commit??

1 Cor 11:24-31
24 And when He had given thanks, he brake it, and said, "Take, eat: this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."

25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till He come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
KJV


The devils are coming out of the woodwork brethren in Christ!!! Watch out! They don't like any... idea of REPENTANCE TO CHRIST, OR COMMUNION WITH CHRIST.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

not all speak the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost.

Actually... not all speak in tongues in a public setting participating in tongues and interpretation.

God desires ALL to allow the Holy Ghost to pray thru them in their private prayer closet with the Lord.

It's good to talk with the Lord thru encrypted communication

Praying in your regular speaking language is like a quarterback calling the play in the huddle looking up shouting to the defense what play they are about to run so the opposition knows what you are doing so they can oppose you.

In other private prayer with the Lord should be encrypted so satan doesn't know what you and the Lord are talking about.

Those not doing this experience a much high level of opposition from the devil because they keep speaking out what their concerns and desires are to the Lord in their known language giving 'ol slewfoot access to your private information greatly increasing his ability to successfully attack

That is tipping off the enemy in spiritual warfare and is pretty slow...

 

[Davy]

Actually... not all speak in tongues in a public setting participating in tongues and interpretation.

God desires ALL to allow the Holy Ghost to pray thru them in their private prayer closet with the Lord.

It's good to talk with the Lord thru encrypted communication

Praying in your regular speaking language is like a quarterback calling the play in the huddle looking up shouting to the defense what play they are about to run so the opposition knows what you are doing so they can oppose you.

In other private prayer with the Lord should be encrypted so satan doesn't know what you and the Lord are talking about.

Those not doing this experience a much high level of opposition from the devil because they keep speaking out what their concerns and desires are to the Lord in their known language giving 'ol slewfoot access to your private information greatly increasing his ability to successfully attack

That is tipping off the enemy in spiritual warfare and is pretty slow...

Sorry, I don't interpret what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 12 thru 14 as you do. I don't belong to a charismatic church.

I do recognize the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost though. And Acts 2 shows me 'how' to recognize it. Everyone present when they hear it, hears their own dialects of the languages of their birth when it is spoken. That is the Biblical evidence. So your being enthralled with your claim that you speak the true 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost does not impress me. If what you speak manifests like the true cloven tongue did on Pentecost, then that's the true cloven tongue. Otherwise... hmm.......... .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I don't belong to a charismatic church.

The gifts of the spirit have not ceased... it has to do with the truthfulness of God's Word.

So, you can reject the gift of the Spirit if you'd like... satan would really appreciate it if you did!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I do recognize the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost though. And Acts 2 shows me 'how' to recognize it. Everyone present when they hear it, hears their own dialects of the languages of their birth when it is spoken.

God's Word says there are diverse (different types) of tongues... Act 2 was a demonstration of just one type.

So your being enthralled with your claim that you speak the true 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost does not impress me.

That's a good thing because I don't care if you or anyone else is "impressed"

Those with a limited view of what's going on are end up being assets used by the enemy whether they realize it or not.

 

[Ritajanice]

So repenting to Christ is taboo in your camp, I see.

What about Communion with Christ? Should we just throw that away too, along with repentance of future sins we may slip up and commit??

1 Cor 11:24-31
24 And when He had given thanks, he brake it, and said, "Take, eat: this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."

25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till He come.

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
KJV


The devils are coming out of the woodwork brethren in Christ!!! Watch out! They don't like any... idea of REPENTANCE TO CHRIST, OR COMMUNION WITH CHRIST.

I ain’t going down this road again...A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed...I know what that means, many don’t!...therefore I stand on God’s word as a Born Again and there ain’t no budging me...never in a million years.

My sin is on Jesus he bore all of my sins, took them all upon himself...past, present and future .....the slate has been wiped clean and I am right before Almighty God.

The blood shed the death and resurrection of Jesus is what reconciles us back to God...we must be Born Again then all sins are forgiven...Born of the Spirit....the old nature lives no more, we have a new nature that new nature is in Christ..
We are Born Again in our spirit not our intellect.

A Born Again abideth in Him because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that abideth and liveth forever.

That means the Holy Spirit liveth and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit.

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

1 John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

[Davy]

God's Word says there are diverse (different types) of tongues... Act 2 was a demonstration of just one type.

When Apostle Paul defined the idea of tongues he was pointing to in 1 Cor.12:10, he was pointing to known languages of the world with the Greek word 'glossa'. That is how the KJV translators understood Paul too, for they added that word "divers", which means various.

1 Cor 12:10
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

So no, Pentecost was an example of the one tongue that all peoples once spoke, prior to the tower of Babel event when God confused the one tongue. And per Acts 2, it manifested as known languages of the world that each person present heard in the very dialects of their birth. That means if you were British, that's the dialect of the English language you heard.

That's a good thing because I don't care if you or anyone else is "impressed" View attachment 40447

Those with a limited view of what's going on are end up being assets used by the enemy whether they realize it or not.

I'm not impressed with those who like to claim they speak it like it's some 'trophy' to be viewed by those who do not speak a gibberish tongue, which isn't evidence of the true cloven tongue anyway.

 

[Davy]

I ain’t going down this road again...A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed...I know what that means, many don’t!...therefore I stand on God’s word as a Born Again and there ain’t no budging me...never in a million years.

My sin is on Jesus he bore all of my sins, took them all upon himself...past, present and future .....the slate has been wiped clean and I am right before Almighty God.

The blood shed the death and resurrection of Jesus is what reconciles us back to God...we must be Born Again then all sins are forgiven...Born of the Spirit....the old nature lives no more, we have a new nature that new nature is in Christ..
We are Born Again in our spirit not our intellect.

The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone​

“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6

So I guess Communion with Christ is out too by those on man's OSAS. OK. Believe what you want.

 

[Ritajanice]

So I guess Communion with Christ is out too by those on man's OSAS. OK. Believe what you want.

Our communion with God consists in his communication of himself to us, with our return to him of that which he requires and accepts, flowing from that union which in Jesus Christ we have with him.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There's no doubt... OSAS doctrine is a trick of the devil, a snare of the wicked one.

Actually he wants you to think your future sin is not paid for on the cross. He can keep you focused on self not others.

And he has talked you out of believing in the true gospel which saves

 

[Davy]

Apostle John speaking to the Church...

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV


The LIARS on the devil's false OSAS doctrine TRY to claim Apostle John was speaking the above to the NON-BELIEVER! And even John included all that to himself too with "we"!

Can you fathom the OSAS LIARS about that?!? Saying John wasn't speaking to Christians just so they can keep their FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE FROM THE DEVIL!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

he was pointing to known languages of the world

You should have done more reading of God's Word...

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh NOT unto men, but unto God: for NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

I'm not impressed with those who like to claim they speak it like it's some 'trophy' to be viewed by those who do not speak a gibberish tongue, which isn't evidence of the true cloven tongue anyway.

What you think or don't think has no bearing on me one way or the other.

I've run in to lots of cherry pickers over the years who believe based on bits and pieces of God's Word... rather than accepting the whole counsel of God.

They even have a Bible for folks like this now!