It still says, "What if". It does not say that God does those things.What if does not carry the meaning of~"if he decided to do so, yet this is not what God decided" is what you desires others to believe what if is saying. Not even close!
Contents is king, it will drive the true understanding of what is being said by the writer.
Very clear the true meaning is: What if God according to his own counsel of his most holy will has purposed to do things in the way he has done them by creating and allowing sin to enter~What if God has chosen this manner what is that to you oh vain man doesn't the potter have power over the clay of the same lump to do as he wills?
Here the purpose of God, in enduring the wicked in this world, is expressly stated to arise from His willingness to show His wrath against sin. We see, then, that the entrance of sin into the world was necessary to manifest the Divine character in His justice and hatred of sin. Had sin never entered into the creation of God, His character would never have been fully developed. Let wicked men ( Robert Pate ) hear what God says in this place. Vain men flatter themselves that in some way, through mercy, or because great severity, they suppose, would not be just, they will finally escape. But God here declares by the Apostle, that He has endured sin in the world for the very purpose of glorifying Himself in its punishment. How, then, shall they escape? Especially so those wicked men who purposely corrupt God's testimony because they just do not like the manner in which God has chosen to show his wisdom, power and glory in doing all things according to his own will. Much different than the god that wicked men have created in their own heart of how God should do this, that or the other.
And to make His power known~The entrance of sin was also an occasion of manifesting God’s power and wisdom in overruling it for His glory. 21st verse asserts the right of God to act in the manner supposed; this verse shows that His doing so was to manifest His wrath against sin, and His power to make even sin to glorify His name. Sin is in its own nature to God’s dishonor. He has overruled it so that He has turned it to His glory. This is the most wonderful display of power.
Endured with much long-suffering~ How often do men wonder that God endures so much sin as appears in the world. Why does not God immediately cut off transgressors? Why does He not make an end of them at once? The answer is, He endures them for His own glory, and in their condemnation He will be glorified. To short-sighted mortals, it would appear preferable if God would cut off in childhood all whom He foresaw should continue in wickedness. But God endures them to old age, and to the utmost bounds of wickedness, for the glory of His own name.
Vessels of wrath~ vessels ‘full of the fury of the Lord,’ Isaiah 51:20. Here Paul calls the wicked vessels, in allusion to the figure which he had just before used.
Fitted to destruction~They are vessels, indeed, but they are vessels of wrath, and by their sins they are fitted for destruction; and it is in the counsel of Jehovah that this shall be so.
CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
No its the bible.
no that is Gods Word. We die because we are born of perishable seed. We live forever now because we are born again of imperishable seed. That is the bible as written.
Well as I told that liar behold, I have eternal salvation apart from any works. This " I never sin anymore" is a lie and serves you ill.
You even admit you fall into old thinking buyt have to redefine it so you do not say you sin.
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
I accept it (for it is not written imperishable) as the word is defined.
Transliteration
aphthartos (Key)
Pronunciation
af'-thar-tos
Part of Speech
adjective
Root Word (Etymology)
From ἄλφα (G1) (as a negative particle) and a derivative of φθείρω (G5351)
Greek Inflections of ἄφθαρτος [?]
mGNT
8x in 4 unique form(s) TR
7x in 4 unique form(s) LXX
0x in 0 unique form(s)
ἄφθαρτοι — 1x
ἄφθαρτον — 2x
ἀφθάρτου — 2x
ἀφθάρτῳ — 2x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry
TDNT Reference: 9:93,1259
Trench's Synonyms: lxviii. ἄφθαρτος, ἀμάραντος, ἀμαράντινος.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 7x
The KJV translates Strong's G862 in the following manner: incorruptible (4x), uncorruptible (1x), immortal (1x), not corruptible (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable
- of things
- immortal
- of the risen dead
- Has nothing to do with sinning or not.
No it’s not....
Listen, if you think I am going to argue with you over sin, you are very much mistaken.
You have argued your head off for pages and pages with Behold....I don’t agree with you...
I said NO such thing, I don’t sin because I’m Born Again of “ imperishable seed”....you seriously aren’t understanding that , that is Gods “ Living “ word delivered straight to the heart.....
You don’t understand the word of God is Alive...you incessantly argue over this and have done so for a long time...I’m not interested in your “ false” interpretation of Gods word.
I don’t sin because I have been Born Again of imperishable seed....Gods word to his Born Again children...I also said as a unbeliever I was a sinner...I am NOT as a Born Again....the other scripture that talks about sin is irrelevant to a Born Again.....we are Born Again of imperishable seed, therefore NO longer sin...God cannot and does not In dwell a sinner.
Your words are a lie from the enemy ...I rebuke them in Jesus Name.
His seed remaineth in us, which means what?..how would you know his seed remaineth in us?
You still haven’t explained..you just copy and paste?
1 John 3:9
1 John 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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Jesus said in Mark 4:13-20 that the seed of God's Word can be choked out of one's like and they don't bare any fruit.
This is obviously due to the fact that man has free will and can turn away from God's Word.
You must believe Jesus was teaching wrongly here then, right?
And... after you got born again... you have never once sinned or made any mistakes whatsoever?
You are literally perfect now and it's not possible for you error in anyway?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I am a Born Again, I don’t continue to sin and never will, because I have been Born Again of imperishable seed..that liveth and abideth forever.
Unfortunately you don’t understand, and you are trying to figure everything out in your head imo..
Any scripture regarding sin.is irrelevant to a child of God..nowhere does scripture say that a “ Born Again “....I repeat a “ Born Again “ sins....show me “ Born Again “ sins and I’ll believe you....you can’t because it’s not there.
His seed remaineth in us..which means what?
1 John 3:9
1 John 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Wow!
So you are like on the same level as God in that it's not possible to ever sin again or even make any mistakes!
Have you alerted the new medias to this fantasy phenomenon of one thinking higher of themselves than they ought to???
It's hilarious that you think you are literally perfect
There's numerous warnings written by the Lord to Christians... telling us to not sin, so the Lord says it's possible.
There's warnings that say some will fall away from the faith so your position requires that portions of scripture you don't like must be ignored and explained away with some shuck and jive!
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No it doesn’t those are your words.
The word of God can never be choked out of a Born Again, because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which means what?
Mark 4:13-20
New International Version
13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word. 15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown.”
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Once again all your own wording which is full of confusion..that’s why I rebuke your posts every time....a sower of confusion.
I am Born Again of imperishable seed, therefore rebuke your false teachings to a Born Again.
You must be Born Again of imperishable seed.....only Born Again scripture apples to the children of God.
I will leave you with this scripture.
As you’re so up on scripture what is God saying here?
Let’s hear you explain this away?
Your knowledge of Born Again is very limited, imo...
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Using the NIV is fake bible.
Mark 4:13-20
And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You bear false witness to the word of God.regarding those who are Born Again of imperishable seed.....You sow confusion...and still no explanation of the scripture I posted.
I will always rebuke your posts regarding Born Again...you don’t understand those words.you bear false witness, to a Born Again.....and still i wait to be shown that a “ Born Again “ sins...I also wait for scripture that says a “ Born Again “ can have the word of God choked out of them?
We are Born Again of imperishable seed, that “ LIVETH AND ABIDETH FOREVER!”
Born Again of imperishable seed....a Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed....” that liveth and abideth forever.
You’re in utter confusion over the Living word of God, not a good place to be.
I’m 100% secure in the Living word of God..
Born from Above of imperishable seed that “ liveth and abideth forever.....praying that God removes the blinders from your eyes...and that he softens your heart to receive his “ Living word”...
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
1 Peter 1
King James Version
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
BarneyFife
Well-Known Member
Yes, but your still got a flesh and blood body. And right now I am not talking to your body, the one you have.
That body is corruptible and it is 'dead' because of sin as in 'dying you shall die', no one lives forever in the flesh and blood body.
It is not that you are 'sinning' but God judged Adam and Eve and told them they will die because of their sin. And before you were a Christian you were sinning in the body too.
Our spirit, God redeems that part of us and we get a new glorified perfect body in the resurrection.
The old body is not saved by God it is headed for destruction.
Romans 8:9-11
New King James Version
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Nonsensical..
I never said I was without sin..now I’m Born Again...I don’t continue to sin because I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
Sorry none of this makes sense, because it’s not biblical...a Born Again has been reconciled back to God by the death and resurrection of Jesus..our spirit has been brought Alive in Jesus.when God decided to regenerate us, via his Spirit.....my opinion.
A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed...that “ liveth and abideth forever.
| Berean Standard Bible | Par ▾ |
(Ezekiel 36:16–38; Galatians 5:16–26)
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin.c He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace,7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the fleshd cannot please God.
9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alivee because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the deadf will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Heirs with Christ
12Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation, but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Future Glory
(2 Corinthians 5:1–10)
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words. 27And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
God Works in All Things
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Robert~if you are willing to be ignorant, then, so be it. You are not alone!
Mockers have ever been among God's children mocking them of the truth and closing their eyes to truth that has been believed among the children of light and preached by them.
Rita, I must admit you are not making yourself clear. God's children sin, not occasionally, but every second we fall short of the glory of God which is seen and understood in two things~God's law and his Son who is the express image of the invisible God, who perfectly kept God's law in thoughts, word, and deeds, from conception until his death ~ never sinned in any points. Not so with even the best of saints. God's children we are evil in our old man which is still with all of us! Jesus understood the two natures in a child of God. Why do you not understand?
Now, that being said, if you are talking about our new man within each and every child of God, then I fully agree that the new man created after the image of Jesus Christ when one is born of God, does not sin, and cannot sin. Paul described the conflict within every child of God in details in Romans 7 and Galatians 5~but this thread is not about this subject, so I'm bringing this post to a end as quick as possible. I will only say this for now:
With my mind of the new man, I delight in the law of God, and confess it is holy, spiritual, and good~ Yet, I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; ( in the new man ) but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ( that is, in my old man ) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. ( that is, in my old man received from Adam, after his image after his fall ) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: ( which was created after the image of Jesus Christ that took place at regeneration ) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, ( every child of God has this constant war going on and will until the death of the body of sin in which we all live in ) and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind ( the new man with in us ) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
So, beware of saying we do not sin without explaining your statement.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
More like why aren’t you understanding, if you have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
No we don’t, when you actually know what Born Again of Imperishable seed means..then get back to me?
Do you actually understand that the Holy Spirit is Alive in your spirit?
If you still believe you sin..this is what God’s word says to you.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. New Living Translation Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. English Standard Version No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. Berean Standard Bible No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. Berean Literal Bible Anyone abiding in Him does not sin; anyone sinning has not seen Him, nor has he known Him. King James Bible Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. New King James Version Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. New American Standard Bible No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him |
A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
As I just said above..get back to me when you understand what “ imperishable seed means?
Nowhere in Gods word does it say a Born Again sins...it’s impossible because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
The Holy Spirit can not In dwell a sinner..we have a new heart and Spirit within....it’s the old mindset that needs renewing...and the old mindset doesn’t sin...
I stand on God’s word and will never deny Gods “ Living “ word..do you understand that Gods word is Alive in Spirit?
Or do you contain him in you own human understanding?
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I will let you respond, but I would warn you, it will do no good. She believes that, in addition to not sinning, she receives divine revelation direct from the Holy Spirit, so that whatever she thinks the meaning of any passage of scripture says, she must be right. She thinks that she and the apostles are on the same page in all of God's word.
You dance much better than teaching God's word. But, so did Michael Jackson.More like why aren’t you understanding, if you have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
No we don’t, when you actually know what Born Again of Imperishable seed means..then get back to me?
Do you actually understand that the Holy Spirit is Alive in your spirit?
If you still believe you sin..this is what God’s word says to you.
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
New Living Translation
Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
English Standard Version
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
Berean Standard Bible
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
Berean Literal Bible
Anyone abiding in Him does not sin; anyone sinning has not seen Him, nor has he known Him.
King James Bible
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
New King James Version
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
New American Standard Bible
No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him
A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
As I just said above..get back to me when you understand what “ imperishable seed means?
Nowhere in Gods word does it say a Born Again sins...it’s impossible because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
The Holy Spirit can not In dwell a sinner..we have a new heart and Spirit within....it’s the old mindset that needs renewing...and the old mindset doesn’t sin...
I stand on God’s word and will never deny Gods “ Living “ word..do you understand that Gods word is Alive in Spirit?
Or do you contain him in you own human understanding?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
A Born Again is in direct communication with God via his Holy Spirit.
Do you understand this scripture?....
You have even confessed yourself that you don’t know what Born Again means...so why on earth would anyone listen to you?
For the attention of @JBO ?
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Same John who wrote those in Christ do not sin also says thisMore like why aren’t you understanding, if you have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
No we don’t, when you actually know what Born Again of Imperishable seed means..then get back to me?
Do you actually understand that the Holy Spirit is Alive in your spirit?
If you still believe you sin..this is what God’s word says to you.
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
New Living Translation
Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
English Standard Version
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
Berean Standard Bible
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
Berean Literal Bible
Anyone abiding in Him does not sin; anyone sinning has not seen Him, nor has he known Him.
King James Bible
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
New King James Version
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
New American Standard Bible
No one who remains in Him sins continually; no one who sins continually has seen Him or knows Him
A Born Again does not continue to sin because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
As I just said above..get back to me when you understand what “ imperishable seed means?
Nowhere in Gods word does it say a Born Again sins...it’s impossible because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed?
The Holy Spirit can not In dwell a sinner..we have a new heart and Spirit within....it’s the old mindset that needs renewing...and the old mindset doesn’t sin...
I stand on God’s word and will never deny Gods “ Living “ word..do you understand that Gods word is Alive in Spirit?
Or do you contain him in you own human understanding?
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1 John 1
Fellowship with Him and One Another
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
I tried to say earlier people are still living in this body and the body is dead because of sin, and the body is going to corruption. What does not sin is that part of a person which is born again, as in their spirit....
We all still have a born again spirit which does not sin and a physical body which is dead because of sin.
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