the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

[Isreal]

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Why does Mattias 28 seem to contradict these statements?

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

 

[Axehead]

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why does Mattias 28 seem to contradict these statements?

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

He is not contradicting but rather delivering the fuller revelation (prophecies fulfilled) now that He has died for the WHOLE WORLD. Here are some verses that may help you ties things together.

If you also consider Luke 13:34 "[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [/background]doth gather[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)] her brood under [/background]her[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)] wings, and ye would not!"[/background]

Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.



Isa_55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.

Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. (sea means multitude of peoples and we can see that in the remaining part of the verse where it is explained).

Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

One set of instructions was given before Jesus death , and one after he rose from the dead..

My best guess is that probably the first one (only to Israel) was so that the gentiles could not be blamed for the crucifixion (only the Jews).

 

[7angels]

according to the word Jesus came to bring the nation of isreal back into right standing with himself. the jews were supposed to be the ones that were to carry God's word to the ends of the earth. only isreal rejected God and so God made another way to be able to reach the lost.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Why does Mattias 28 seem to contradict these statements?

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

the top 3 verses from matthew were Jesus' mission while on earth and mathew 28 was the mission Jesus gave to his church.

God bless

 

[Rocky Wiley]

It is a before and after situation.

Jesus came unto his own (the Jews, and they were his focus before he was crucified) and his own received him not (his own had him crucified and now he would take a new bride of whosoever will).

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Observe as well that there are two different sets of instructions ..........

(Matthew 10) ... the disciples are instructed to ..... " [sup]7 [/sup] proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’"

(Matthew 28) ...... the disciples are instructed to ...... go and make disciples of all nations

 

[dragonfly]

Hi Arnie,

My best guess is that probably the first one (only to Israel) was so that the gentiles could not be blamed for the crucifixion (only the Jews).

On the contrary, the Gentiles were already implicated bigtime.... remember Adam?

In fact, although the apostles preached as though the Jews had put Jesus to death, listen to what Jesus said before His death:

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Mark 10:32 And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Jesus went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him, 33 [Saying], Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: 34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Luke 18:31 Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. 32 For he shall be delivered to the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 And they shall scourge, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.


Now look at John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw [it] bare record, and his record is true: and he knows that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.


Who are 'they'?

In this way, the Gentiles are amply implicated in Jesus death, and if they had not been, it would have been possible for the Jews to claim that He only died to save Jews. In fact, 'they shall look on him whom they pierced', Zech 12:10 could easily be a reference to Gentiles, not Jews.

The other fact is, that although 'the Jews' themselves did not kill Jesus, they had already taken culpability when they said:

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood [be] on us, and on our children.

But how short their memories considering the prophecy in Matthew 27:49 And one of them, [named] Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. 53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.

Compare with

Acts 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set [them] before the council: and the high priest asked them, 28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

(Too late, don't you think?)

29 Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him. 33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.

 

[veteran]

I hope some aren't getting into the dangerous territory of men's doctrines that say we all... are guilty of having Christ crucified, which is a flat lie.

Zech 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
(KJV)

That's about those in Jerusalem; the verses after that are specific to families of Judah even, i.e., those who refused Him.


The "house of Israel" after God split old Israel in Solomon's days into two separate kingdoms, only referred to the ten northern tribed kingdom then called "Israel". The "kingdom of Judah" and "house of Judah" is what the southern kingdom at Jerusalem/Judea was called after that point in history.

The only NT reference where the "house of Israel" is used to apply to the Jews also is in Acts 2:36, and Peter says "all the house of Israel", which is an expression for ALL Israelites according to birth, including Judah.

So when our Lord said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", He was primarily speaking about the ten tribes that were lost to the world. Yet the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) in his days knew where the majority of the ten tribes were scattered, since he mentioned they were still "beyond Euphrates" in his day, and were a great multitude, too many to be numbered.

So here's a little test. In what lands and with what majority of peoples was The Gospel of Jesus Christ first accepted? To say Jerusalem or Galilee, or any place in the holy lands would be error. That was the meaning that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, meaning where the ten tribes were scattered among the Gentiles, both they and the Gentiles there would receive The Gospel, which is what the Hosea prophecy is about. That's where His disciples went to preach to the nations, to Asia Minor and Europe. It would be others after them that would take The Gospel to nations outside that area like Asia and the Americas.

 

[dragonfly]

Hi veteran,

God told Eve that her seed would bruise the serpent's head. If we're looking for responsibility for Christ's death, don't we have to accept that the whole human race was included all at once in one Man, when He died? Isa 53:10, John 19:11

I hope some aren't getting into the dangerous territory of men's doctrines that say we all... are guilty of having Christ crucified, which is a flat lie.

What did you mean by this, please?

 

[Isreal]

Zech 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
(KJV)

That's about those in Jerusalem; the verses after that are specific to families of Judah even, i.e., those who refused Him.

The Judeans there were under heavy influence from the ruling class Kenites/Canaanite phoneys Jews prettending to be Judeans.
I could see how they would resist the good news. Though Yeshua did bring some of them out.

So here's a little test. In what lands and with what majority of peoples was The Gospel of Jesus Christ first accepted? To say Jerusalem or Galilee, or any place in the holy lands would be error. That was the meaning that He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, meaning where the ten tribes were scattered among the Gentiles, both they and the Gentiles there would receive The Gospel, which is what the Hosea prophecy is about. That's where His disciples went to preach to the nations, to Asia Minor and Europe. It would be others after them that would take The Gospel to nations outside that area like Asia and the Americas.

1 Peter 1 pont to the exact location of these elect or chosen.

KJV does a poor job of pointing out this fact.

Murdock Aramaic translation and YLT does a much better job.

1Pe 1:1 Peter, a legate of *Yeshua the Messiah, to the elect and sojourners, who are dispersed in Pontus and in Galatia, and in Cappadocia, and in Asia, and in Bithynia,
*Yeshu/Yeshua was added by me because that is the exact name of HaMessiach in Aramaic translations which is what we are told his name would be in the OT.
I do believe the primacy is in Aramaic which the our Messiah and Apostles spoke. Yeshua means salvation in Hebrew and his name was given in Hebrew OT




Isaiah with proper Hebrew word usage.

In Isaiah 12:2,3.
Here SALVATION is mentioned three times. As they actually read in the original Hebrew with Yeshua(Jesus) as the embodiment and personification of the word SALVATION:

"Behold, might (or, God the mighty One) is my YESHUA ; I will trust and not be afraid:, for YHWH is my strength and my song; He also is become my YESHUA (Jesus).... And the WORD (Jesus incarnate) became flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 1: 14). ... Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of YESHUA (Salvation)Water is symbolic of the Holy Spirit and it brings Joy.

1 Chron. 16:23
Sing to YHWH, all the earth, Proclaim from day unto day His Yeshua(salvation)


Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name *Yeshua: for he shall save his people from their sins.
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* Only Aramaic NT scriptures called his name correctly according to the OT.

 

[veteran]

The Judeans there were under heavy influence from the ruling class Kenites/Canaanite phoneys Jews prettending to be Judeans.
I could see how they would resist the good news. Though Yeshua did bring some of them out.

Yep. That's pretty much on the right track. The Pharisee Nicodemos brought spices for our Lord's burial, and even defended His rights per the law. Gamaliel, a Pharisee and doctor of law, defended the rights of Christ's Apostles.

The chief priests specifically persuaded the deceived of the people to have our Lord Jesus crucified. I certainly can't see blaiming all the Jews with that. But those which our Lord Jesus pointed to in Scripture like Matthew 23, even calling those specific ones "vipers", that's a different story.

1 Peter 1 pont to the exact location of these elect or chosen.

KJV does a poor job of pointing out this fact.

Murdock Aramaic translation and YLT does a much better job.

1Pe 1:1 Peter, a legate of *Yeshua the Messiah, to the elect and sojourners, who are dispersed in Pontus and in Galatia, and in Cappadocia, and in Asia, and in Bithynia,

Yes, which "Asia" there is put for Asia Minor, like the area of Armenia, Turkey, etc., but not east Asia like the Far East.

I understand about Christ's Hebrew Name Yeshu'a, which means 'Yah is Salvation'.

 

[Joshua David]

I would say that these were two sets of instructions given within two different dispensations. The first set of instructions were given while they were under the dispensation of the Law. The second set of instructions were given under the Dispensation of Grace. During the dispensation of Law, Israel was the focus of God's dealing with Man, so the apostles were told only to go to the lost sheep of Israel. This is also the reason that Jesus said what he said to the Syrophenician woman in Mark 7.

Mark 7:25-27 [sup]25 [/sup]For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
[sup]26 [/sup]The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
[sup]27 [/sup]But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

After the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, God instituted the Age of Grace, otherwise known as the Church Age. God's focus temporarily shifted from Israel to the gentile nations.


Joshua David

 

[veteran]

I would say that these were two sets of instructions given within two different dispensations. The first set of instructions were given while they were under the dispensation of the Law. The second set of instructions were given under the Dispensation of Grace. During the dispensation of Law, Israel was the focus of God's dealing with Man, so the apostles were told only to go to the lost sheep of Israel. This is also the reason that Jesus said what he said to the Syrophenician woman in Mark 7.

Mark 7:25-27 [sup]25 [/sup]For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
[sup]26 [/sup]The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
[sup]27 [/sup]But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

After the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, God instituted the Age of Grace, otherwise known as the Church Age. God's focus temporarily shifted from Israel to the gentile nations.


Joshua David

The prophecy required that The Gospel first be preached at Jerusalem (Luke 24:47; Isaiah).

God's focus did NOT... move away from the seed of Israel involving The Gospel. It's because the early Christian Church were first made up from believers of the seed of Israel, and I'm not just talking about believing Jews either.


How many times does one have to be reminded that the Jews only make up a SMALL portion of the total number of children of flesh Israel?

The title of 'Jew' was derived from the sole tribe of Judah per history. The tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi were separated apart from the ten northern tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, Zebulun, Asher, Gad, Naphtali, Dan, Issachar, Reuben, and Simeon after Solomon's days (1 Kings 11 forward). When those 10 northern tribes separated from the "house of Judah" by God's Hand, those ten tribes BECAME the kingdom of Israel, in the north, apart from Jerusalem. In Rehoboam's days, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi became know as the "kingdom of Judah" per God's Word, not even called the kingdom of Israel after that split.


So that Dispensationalist junk is nothing but another one of the ignorant Biblically illiterate traditions of men, of those who don't care to even read all their Bible, but instead have fun with each other to see how many of their own doctrines they can come up with that gets farther and farther away from God's Holy Writ!