Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[L.A.M.B.]

Case opened. You just broke board rules.

............and did you report it ?
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Much leniency is on this board.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

............and did you report it ?
This is the only way the board can be free of the heretical doctrines of devils and men.
Much leniency is on this board.

Sure did. Everyone should.
Trolls, multiple account trolls, hate filled anti-Jewish,anti-Christian trolls. They contaminate communities because they're still there.

 

[PinSeeker]

1.) I don't see anything in my King James Bible about sin in James 5:16.

The King James Version was commissioned in the early 1600s, and because of the antiquated language, can be problematic for some. But in James 5:16, the admonition "...confess your faults one to another..." in the King James Version is the very same in meaning as "...confess your sins to one another..." found in the English Standard Version (ESV). The New King James Version is a pretty good "go between" of those two, saying "confess your trespasses to one another..."

2.) Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, are not in the New Testament.

LOL! Well... :)

Note: God did not put a paper in the Bible between Malachi and Matthew that says New Testament. Men did that... probably Catholics.

Ah, well, this we agree on... Maybe what you're saying is that there is no "Old Testament" either, in the sense that the Bible is one story, and what we know as the New Testament is a continuation of God's Word. Yes, it's all about Jesus and redemption from beginning to end, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22; with that ~ if that indeed is what you're saying here ~ I agree. We don't read about a God Who somehow changed from Who He was in Genesis to Malachi to someone different ~ or even treated/treats people in a different way ~ in Matthew to Revelation.

3.) I don't see anything in my King James Bible about sin in 1 Corinthians 4:4

Judgment comes because of fault/trespass/sin. Paul is talking about sins of omission there ~ failing to abstain from sin perfectly, which includes sin that we commit that we ourselves may still inadvertently commit.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Peterlag]

The King James Version was commissioned in the early 1600s, and because of the antiquated language, can be problematic for some. But in James 5:16, the admonition "...confess your faults one to another..." in the King James Version is the very same in meaning as "...confess your sins to one another..." found in the English Standard Version (ESV). The New King James Version is a pretty good "go between" of those two, saying "confess your trespasses to one another..."


LOL! Well... :)


Ah, well, this we agree on... Maybe what you're saying is that there is no "Old Testament" either, in the sense that the Bible is one story, and what we know as the New Testament is a continuation of God's Word. Yes, it's all about Jesus and redemption from beginning to end, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22; with that ~ if that indeed is what you're saying here ~ I agree. We don't read about a God Who somehow changed from Who He was in Genesis to Malachi to someone different ~ or even treated/treats people in a different way ~ in Matthew to Revelation.


Judgment comes because of fault/trespass/sin. Paul is talking about sins of omission there ~ failing to abstain from sin perfectly, which includes sin that we commit that we ourselves may still inadvertently commit.

Grace and peace to you.

I'm not even sure all of James is addressed to Christians since it is addressed to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.

 

[Peterlag]

Something the RCC doesn't teach. 1 John 3: 4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

I have a real problem with the words "keeps on sinning" and will stay with my KJV on this one that says "sinneth not" because it fits so well with verse 9 that says "we cannot sin."

 

[Peterlag]

Your profile says, “Christian”. Apparently, you LIED.
You cannot reject the New Testament and claim to be a Christian.

Case CLOSED.

The new covenant and what it's about starts in the book of Romans.

 

[Peterlag]

"We" means "we" in every verse in which it appears.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins...

What should I do with these? Rip them out of the Bible?

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

I have a real problem with the words "keeps on sinning" and will stay with my KJV on this one that says "sinneth not" because it fits so well with verse 9 that says "we cannot sin."

That'll work.Same message, different words. :)

 

[PinSeeker]

I'm not even sure all of James is addressed to Christians since it is addressed to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.

Well, I would say that all of James is addressed to Christians because it is addressed to the 12 tribes that are scattered abroad. :) Those two things are one and the same, really. In addition, James addresses his addressees personally as "brothers" almost 20 times... throughout the course of his letter.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The new covenant and what it's about starts in the book of Romans.

WRONG.

Jeremiah 31 is where we FIRST hear about the New Covenant. The author of Hebrews (Heb. 8:7–12) quotes this Jer. 31:31–34.

Also - if the book YOU’RE reading doesn’t have Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6 - then it’s not the Christian Bible.

 

[covenantee]

The new covenant and what it's about starts in the book of Romans.

It started here:

Matthew 26 NKJV
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[covenantee]

What should I do with these? Rip them out of the Bible?

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

Don't rip those out of the Bible.

Don't rip these out either:

Romans 7:11
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Romans 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

1 Corinthians 8:12
But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Hebrews 3:13
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

What should I do with these? Rip them out of the Bible?

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

Perpetual confession keeps one enslaved to the confessional rites and their confessors.

Which keeps their church in business.

It started here:

Matthew 26 NKJV
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The Book of Mark is where Immanuel's ministry began.

 

[Philip James]

Has any pope ever publicly renounced it?

that is immaterial to the dogmas of the Church. Here is a list:

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH | A List Of The 255 Infallible Declared Dogma's Of The Catholic Faith | Facebook

 

[Philip James]

Yeah I just looked at that last night. Have the Catholics ever been right about anything? Give me something. I'm curious.

Sure,

The Catholics have kept the Feast, which is not only the sign, but the effective agent of the unity of the Church:

I am speaking as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I am saying.

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

Pax et Bonum

 

[Philip James]

The question in post 678 for which I'm awaiting your response was:

Would the church fathers have believed these essential Catholic dogmas? If not, how could they be considered "Catholic"?

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

you repeat the lie that those are Catholic dogmas.. is lying to uphold your pov dogma in your community?

 

[Philip James]

water baptism is relevant.

Any community that ceases to baptize ceases to bear fruit for the Kingdom..

 

[Philip James]

The Catholics teach we are (not were) sinners saved by grace and that means we must run to God to confess and repent our new sins every time we sin after becoming a Christian. The belief is that you will either be lost, or on your way to hell, or at the very least God will not fellowship with you, and He certainly will not answer your prayers if you are found with an unconfessed sin. Such a concept would mean everybody would be on their way to hell because there is not a person on this earth who does not have either a known or an unknown unconfessed sin. Now if this new sin just means the loss of a relationship with God, which would include unanswered prayers. Then God would not have a single person on this earth qualified to receive an answer to prayer or to be able to fellowship with Him.

Geezzz... I wonder where the Protestants got the same idea from?

you clearly have no idea what youre talking about or what Grace we receive in acknowledging our failings..

For I know my offense; my sin is always before me.

Against you alone have I sinned; I have done such evil in your sight That you are just in your sentence, blameless when you condemn.

2 True, I was born guilty, a sinner, even as my mother conceived me.

Still, you insist on sincerity of heart; in my inmost being teach me wisdom.

3 Cleanse me with hyssop, that I may be pure; wash me, make me whiter than snow.

Let me hear sounds of joy and gladness; let the bones you have crushed rejoice.

Turn away your face from my sins; blot out all my guilt.

A clean heart create for me, God; renew in me a steadfast spirit.

Do not drive me from your presence, nor take from me your holy spirit.

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You pharisee, rightly did ou Lord, condemn such self important and assured vipers as you...

Time to get on your belly and beg His forgiveness for your hubris,,,

 

[Philip James]

The new covenant and what it's about starts in the book of Romans.

clearly not:

Then he took a cup, gave thanks, 16 and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,

for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[covenantee]

The Book of Mark is where Immanuel's ministry began.

So when Jesus said "This is My Blood of the New Covenant", it wasn't the New Covenant?