Did Jesus raise hiself from the dead or did God yhe father raise him

[Aunty Jane]

Father

Matthew 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

OK......Being baptized “in the name of”...means what? Does it say that these three are God? Or is it implying something that first century Jews fully understood? That being baptized “in the name of the Father AND of the son AND of the Holy Spirit” is acknowledging the role that all three played in the culmination of a spiritual journey that led to their baptism?....dedicating their lives to follow Jesus as disciples of “the son of God”, but never losing sight of who was the God of Jesus Christ. (John 17:3)

The Father taught Jesus, who in turn, taught his disciples...the powerful works of the holy spirit persuaded them to believe all the things Jesus taught them, and his work was carried on by the ones he appointed to do that, granting them holy spirit to keep teaching God’s truth.....but Jesus warned that “weeds” would be planted by the devil, and grow along with the “wheat” planted by Jesus in the same “field”.....that parable has deep implications for those who don’t understand what this “weed” was in Bible times.

It was a noxious weed called “bearded darnell” which was known as “wheat’s evil twin. (Often oversown by an enemy who wanted to destroy his neighbor’s crop) In the early growing stages it was impossible to tell which was which, but by the time it became discernible, the roots systems were so intertwined with the wheat that to uproot the weeds, would take the wheat along with it.
So Jesus said to let them “grow together” until the harvest, when all would be taken together...the “weeds” were to be separated out to be disposed of, and the “wheat” gathered into the master’s storehouse.

We have to know the difference, otherwise we could be headed for a destiny that is opposite to what we imagined. (Matt 7:21-23) It’s the reason why “few” are on the “road to life”. (Matt 7:13-14)

1 John 2:22-23
He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Why is the third party missing here? (As it is also in Jesus statement in John 17:3) In the scriptures Father and son are mentioned together often, but there is very little mention of a threesome.

What does it mean to “deny the Father and son”? Unless we have the truth about who they are.....our denial may come in the form of misinformation......in a world ruled by the devil, deception is everywhere. (1 John 5:19) Flawed human nature is susceptible to this deception....do the deceived know that they are, until it’s too late? What happens then? The “harvest” will mean no more “weeds”, but are we among them?...that is the question.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

OK......Being baptized “in the name of”...means what? Does it say that these three are God? Or is it implying something that first century Jews fully understood? That being baptized “in the name of the Father AND of the son AND of the Holy Spirit” is acknowledging the role that all three played in the culmination of a spiritual journey that led to their baptism?....dedicating their lives to follow Jesus as disciples of “the son of God”, but never losing sight of who was the God of Jesus Christ. (John 17:3)

We can be baptized in the name of all three as long as we are being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. His name is important as Christians.

The Father taught Jesus, who in turn, taught his disciples...the powerful works of the holy spirit persuaded them to believe all the things Jesus taught them, and his work was carried on by the ones he appointed to do that, granting them holy spirit to keep teaching God’s truth.....but Jesus warned that “weeds” would be planted by the devil, and grow along with the “wheat” planted by Jesus in the same “field”.....that parable has deep implications for those who don’t understand what this “weed” was in Bible times.

It was a noxious weed called “bearded darnell” which was known as “wheat’s evil twin. (Often oversown by an enemy who wanted to destroy his neighbor’s crop) In the early growing stages it was impossible to tell which was which, but by the time it became discernible, the roots systems were so intertwined with the wheat that to uproot the weeds, would take the wheat along with it.
So Jesus said to let them “grow together” until the harvest, when all would be taken together...the “weeds” were to be separated out to be disposed of, and the “wheat” gathered into the master’s storehouse.

We have to know the difference, otherwise we could be headed for a destiny that is opposite to what we imagined. (Matt 7:21-23) It’s the reason why “few” are on the “road to life”. (Matt 7:13-14)

That is very interesting. To be one of the few we must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Why is the third party missing here? (As it is also in Jesus statement in John 17:3) In the scriptures Father and son are mentioned together often, but there is very little mention of a threesome.

What does it mean to “deny the Father and son”? Unless we have the truth about who they are.....our denial may come in the form of misinformation......in a world ruled by the devil, deception is everywhere. (1 John 5:19) Flawed human nature is susceptible to this deception....do the deceived know that they are, until it’s too late? What happens then? The “harvest” will mean no more “weeds”, but are we among them?...that is the question.

We are spirit, soul and body because God is also and they created us in Their image. One person. One God.
God is:
Spirit/Mind/Father - Romans 7:25; Galatians 5:17(small 's'); 1 Cor. 2:16. Jesus has the mind of the Father, just as the born again have the mind of Christ.
Holy Spirit/Soul/heart and conscience where God's laws are written on our new nature.
Jesus embodies the Godhead, so Jesus is the Body of God. Colossians 2:9

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Is the Bible contradicting for who raised Jesus.
John 10.18 says he did but what do you think

No contradiction, precious friend, As The Excellent Harmony Of The Bible Shows:

The Triune GodHead "Raised The Lord Jesus Christ From the dead!":

(1) God, The Father, Raised His SON From the dead!:

"Whom God Hath Raised Up, Having Loosed the pains of death:
because it was not possible that He should be holden of it!"

(Acts_2:24 cp Acts_2:32, Acts_3:15, Acts_3:26, Acts_10:40,
Acts_13:30, Acts_13:34, Acts_7:31; Romans_4:24, 6:4,
Romans_8:11; Ephesians_1:20; 1_Corinthians 6:14;
2_Corinthians 4:14; Hebrews_13:20; 1_Peter 1:21)

2) The Lord Jesus Christ Raised Himself From The Dead!

"Jesus Answered And Said Unto them, Destroy This Temple, and in
three days I Will Raise It Up!...But He Spake Of The Temple Of His Body!"
(John_2:19, John_2:21 cp John_10:17-18)

3) The Holy Spirit Raised Jesus Christ From The Dead!

"But if The Spirit Of Him That Raised Up Jesus From the dead
Dwell in you, He That Raised up Christ from the dead Shall Also
Quicken your mortal bodies By His Spirit That Dwelleth In you."
(Romans_8:11 cp Acts_2:24, Acts_2:32; 1 Peter_3:18)

Amen.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Gabriel.....again....analyse what the scripture is actually saying, rather than what you think it does.

If you understand the power of suggestion, then you will comprehend what it means to live in a world ruled by the devil. (1 John 5:19) Everything Christendom believes is by the power of suggestion in twisting the meaning of scripture....once you know the truth, you can see right through his successful attempts to get people to break the first and most important Commandment.....”You shall have no other gods but me”.

Who was this God of the Jews? He is the one identified in Deut 6:4....(the Shema)
From the Jewish Tanakh...

“4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord [יְהֹוָ֥ה] is our God; the Lord [יְהֹוָ֥ה] is one.

דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:

Jesus did not depart from the written word of his Father.

יְהֹוָ֥ה is, was, and always will be, the one God of Jesus Christ who in heaven, has a new name. (Rev 3:12)
So with that fact in mind, read Philippians 2:5-11 again....

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped”

Notice that he was “in the form of God”......so, what “form” does God have? The scriptures tell us that “God is a spirit”...so Jesus was in ‘spirit form’ too, as are all who dwell in the spirit realm, unseen to human eyes.

When Paul was shipwrecked on the Island of Malta, with others who were also prisoners, they were taken care of by some friendly locals......on gathering some wood for a fire, he encountered a venomous snake which attached itself to his hand. The superstitious people knew that this snake was deadly and thought he would surely drop dead, but when he didn’t.....
“he shook the creature off into the fire and suffered no harm. 6 But they were expecting him to swell up or suddenly to drop dead. After they waited for a long time and saw that nothing bad happened to him, they changed their mind and began saying he was a god.” (Acts 28:5-6...Read the whole story in Acts 27)

When Jesus performed miracles, people may have thought that he was “a god” (a divine mighty one) and might have been persuaded to worship him, (as Jews in the past had been persuaded to worship “gods” other than the true God Jehovah.) But Jesus was always careful not to give credit for his power to himself....he always used God’s powerful spirit to give glory to the one who provided it...not to himself. He never wanted to give the impression that he was equal in any way to his superior Father.

“7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.”
How did he “empty himself”? Being a glorious spirit being, he willingly left his lofty position as second only to his Father, to become a mere mortal, so as to rescue Adam’s children, trapped in sin and resulting in death and a host of horrible outcomes, through no fault of their own. Christ willingly sacrificed so much to rescue us.
But ask yourself, “can God become his own servant?” (Acts 4:27)

“8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
If Jesus humbled himself by “becoming obedient as far as death”...to suffer such a painful death....to whom was he obedient? Himself? Or to someone who was his superior?

“9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name”
How does God highly exalt himself? How does he give Jesus a name that is above every name when (if he is the Father) he already has the highest name in existence? (Psalm 83:18)

“10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Jesus is our saviour and redeemer and we rightly bow in obeisance to honor him, but worship belongs only to the Father, (Luke 4:5-8) who tolerates the worship of no other “gods”. Christendom has three, yet only one is mentioned in scripture by Jesus and his apostles. (1 Cor 8:5-6) As Jews, they had only one God.

Whatever Jesus did, he did for the glory of his Father, who is also his God...he never did a thing for his own personal glory.

So again, research reveals another passage of scripture that has been altered by suggestion and accepted on a cursory reading.

Do your homework.....the truth is there, but you will not find it in the theological mess that is Christendom.

I suggest you stop trying to convince me Immanuel was not who he said he was.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Gabriel.....again....analyse what the scripture is actually saying, rather than what you think it does.

If you understand the power of suggestion, then you will comprehend what it means to live in a world ruled by the devil. (1 John 5:19) Everything Christendom believes is by the power of suggestion in twisting the meaning of scripture....once you know the truth, you can see right through his successful attempts to get people to break the first and most important Commandment.....”You shall have no other gods but me”.

Who was this God of the Jews? He is the one identified in Deut 6:4....(the Shema)
From the Jewish Tanakh...

“4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord [יְהֹוָ֥ה] is our God; the Lord [יְהֹוָ֥ה] is one.

דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:

Jesus did not depart from the written word of his Father.

יְהֹוָ֥ה is, was, and always will be, the one God of Jesus Christ who in heaven, has a new name. (Rev 3:12)
So with that fact in mind, read Philippians 2:5-11 again....

“Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped”

Notice that he was “in the form of God”......so, what “form” does God have? The scriptures tell us that “God is a spirit”...so Jesus was in ‘spirit form’ too, as are all who dwell in the spirit realm, unseen to human eyes.

When Paul was shipwrecked on the Island of Malta, with others who were also prisoners, they were taken care of by some friendly locals......on gathering some wood for a fire, he encountered a venomous snake which attached itself to his hand. The superstitious people knew that this snake was deadly and thought he would surely drop dead, but when he didn’t.....
“he shook the creature off into the fire and suffered no harm. 6 But they were expecting him to swell up or suddenly to drop dead. After they waited for a long time and saw that nothing bad happened to him, they changed their mind and began saying he was a god.” (Acts 28:5-6...Read the whole story in Acts 27)

When Jesus performed miracles, people may have thought that he was “a god” (a divine mighty one) and might have been persuaded to worship him, (as Jews in the past had been persuaded to worship “gods” other than the true God Jehovah.) But Jesus was always careful not to give credit for his power to himself....he always used God’s powerful spirit to give glory to the one who provided it...not to himself. He never wanted to give the impression that he was equal in any way to his superior Father.

“7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.”
How did he “empty himself”? Being a glorious spirit being, he willingly left his lofty position as second only to his Father, to become a mere mortal, so as to rescue Adam’s children, trapped in sin and resulting in death and a host of horrible outcomes, through no fault of their own. Christ willingly sacrificed so much to rescue us.
But ask yourself, “can God become his own servant?” (Acts 4:27)

“8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”
If Jesus humbled himself by “becoming obedient as far as death”...to suffer such a painful death....to whom was he obedient? Himself? Or to someone who was his superior?

“9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name”
How does God highly exalt himself? How does he give Jesus a name that is above every name when (if he is the Father) he already has the highest name in existence? (Psalm 83:18)

“10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Jesus is our saviour and redeemer and we rightly bow in obeisance to honor him, but worship belongs only to the Father, (Luke 4:5-8) who tolerates the worship of no other “gods”. Christendom has three, yet only one is mentioned in scripture by Jesus and his apostles. (1 Cor 8:5-6) As Jews, they had only one God.

Whatever Jesus did, he did for the glory of his Father, who is also his God...he never did a thing for his own personal glory.

So again, research reveals another passage of scripture that has been altered by suggestion and accepted on a cursory reading.

Do your homework.....the truth is there, but you will not find it in the theological mess that is Christendom.

Hi Aunty Janes. Do you believe Jesus was sinless?

 

[Peterlag]

Scripturaly it is. I was wondering why you were trying to bait me to say the Father as that is what is written. And we live by every word that proceeds from the Father. I'm surprised you don't believe in the Father as one part of the Trinity that makes God one whole being, not three persons. Both the Father and the Spirit are invisible, but are separate parts of Christ as I've shown you in 1 Thess. 5:23. I'll explain further.

We are spirit, soul and body because God is also and they created us in Their image. One person. One God.

God is:
Spirit/Mind/Father - Romans 7:25; Galatians 5:17(small 's'); 1 Cor. 2:16. Jesus has the mind of the Father, just as the born again have the mind of Christ.
Holy Spirit/Soul/heart and conscience
Jesus embodies the Godhead, so Jesus is the Body of God. Colossians 2:9

I'm not baiting nor did I start this conversation with you. You jumped in it and so the question is what is God. People here say the Father and yet they don't seem to understand that makes no sense.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I'm not baiting nor did I start this conversation with you. You jumped in it and so the question is what is God. People here say the Father and yet they don't seem to understand that makes no sense.

Peter, don't take offense at baiting. I do it all the time! It is a way to get people to think. I don't understand why you can't admit it. You knew what I was going to say before I posted Father. Though I was surprised you talked about more than one person, or car to describe God. God is one entity. Besides I am enjoying our sharing.

Have I been clear that if we are made in God's likeness, then we should take a good look at 1 Thess. 5:23 because that also represents God? What is your idea of God. I don't think I've heard you give a clear definition or where it is found in Scripture, but only what God is not.

 

[Fred J]

You already admitted that Jesus is God the Creator. What can I say?

Save your breath, we get it hearing loud and clear about Jack and Gabriel's God, Your God Jesus prays to Himself through out the Gospel, and the witnessing disciples were deceived. They were thinking He was praying to the FATHER who art in Heaven and in secret.

Next, He is a master ventriloquist, able to throw His voice from Heaven, praising and comforting Himself. Again the witnessing disciples were deceived thinking they were hearing the FATHER's voice from Heaven.

Finally, your God Jesus is one person who plays the role of three personalities, the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Spirit, if possible he can do it all at one time.

Please allow me to conclude for you, and when Philip ask Jesus to show them the FATHER already. Then, Jesus delivered them from the deception by saying, to be brief, "........ If you have seen Me, you have seen the FATHER."

Again to be brief, later disciple Thomas went down to his knees saying, "My Lord and my God."

Wow! Have been saved since September 11, 2001, and have been disciple by the Holy Bible since. Sadly am witnessing among others what an imposterous and counterfeiting church and believers.

Jesus said, "You will recognize them by their fruit." May GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ remove the scale of deception from their eyes.

 

[Peterlag]

Peter, don't take offense at baiting. I do it all the time! It is a way to get people to think. I don't understand why you can't admit it. You knew what I was going to say before I posted Father. Though I was surprised you talked about more than one person, or car to describe God. God is one entity. Besides I am enjoying our sharing.

Have I been clear that if we are made in God's likeness, then we should take a good look at 1 Thess. 5:23 because that also represents God? What is your idea of God. I don't think I've heard you give a clear definition or where it is found in Scripture, but only what God is not.

My expertise is on who is the Christ. Ask me that and I can have much to say starting with he's not God.

 

[Fred J]

I'm not baiting nor did I start this conversation with you. You jumped in it and so the question is what is God. People here say the Father and yet they don't seem to understand that makes no

My expertise is on who is the Christ. Ask me that and I can have much to say starting with he's not God.

With that we perceive you're not born again, therefore you're unable to see nor enter the Kingdom of GOD. Jesus did not continue discussion with Nicodemus even about born again, apparently pointless to help a blind person see.

Jesus stressed out these words, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, unless one is born again from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of GOD." Next, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD.

Pete, it is truthfully evident, we don't make any sense to you when you're not born again. And we perceive you won't make any sense to us, only going back and froth and get no where, since we are born again.

The point is, you need to be born again in order to have a discussion or fellowship based on our foundation the Holy Bible of the Kingdom of GOD.

 

[Peterlag]

With that we perceive you're not born again, therefore you're unable to see nor enter the Kingdom of GOD. Jesus did not continue discussion with Nicodemus even about born again, apparently pointless to help a blind person see.

Jesus stressed out these words, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, unless one is born again from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of GOD." Next, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of GOD.

Pete, it is truthfully evident, we don't make any sense to you when you're not born again. And we perceive you won't make any sense to us, only going back and froth and get no where, since we are born again.

The point is, you need to be born again in order to have a discussion or fellowship based on our foundation the Holy Bible of the Kingdom of GOD.

Is there a verse in the Bible that says I need to believe Jesus is God to be born again?

 

[Fred J]

Is there a verse in the Bible that says I need to believe Jesus is God to be born again?

John 3:1-15

 

[Jack]

Save your breath, we get it hearing loud and clear about Jack and Gabriel's God, Your God Jesus prays to Himself through out the Gospel, and the witnessing disciples were deceived. They were thinking He was praying to the FATHER who art in Heaven and in secret.

And still, you said Jesus is God.

Next, He is a master ventriloquist, able to throw His voice from Heaven, praising and comforting Himself. Again the witnessing disciples were deceived thinking they were hearing the FATHER's voice from Heaven.

Finally, your God Jesus is one person who plays the role of three personalities, the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Spirit, if possible he can do it all at one time.

Please allow me to conclude for you, and when Philip ask Jesus to show them the FATHER already. Then, Jesus delivered them from the deception by saying, to be brief, "........ If you have seen Me, you have seen the FATHER."

Again to be brief, later disciple Thomas went down to his knees saying, "My Lord and my God."

Wow! Have been saved since September 11, 2001, and have been disciple by the Holy Bible since. Sadly am witnessing among others what an imposterous and counterfeiting church and believers.

Jesus said, "You will recognize them by their fruit." May GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ remove the scale of deception from their eyes.

You should take your foot out of your mouth. You said Jesus is God now you're backing up.

 

[Fred J]

And still, you said Jesus is God.

You should take your foot out of your mouth. You said Jesus is God now you're backing up.

You sound like a voice recorder that's gone wrong, always repeating the same words.

It's kind of disturbing the peace in me, end of discussion, no thank you.

 

[Jack]

You sound like a voice recorder that's gone wrong, always repeating the same words.

It's kind of disturbing the peace in me, end of discussion, no thank you.

I think what "disturbs" you is that you admitted that Jesus is God, the Creator. Why would that disturb you? It's true. Jesus is God the Creator!

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

My expertise is on who is the Christ. Ask me that and I can have much to say starting with he's not God.

Why did God send Jesus to us? What was His mission?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Is there a verse in the Bible that says I need to believe Jesus is God to be born again?

No. But there are some that say Jesus is the Son of God and we have to accept that. Do you believe that?

Edit: Let me add to that question.

Who was the entity that spoke to Moses out of the burning bush. And whose back did Moses see who wrote the Ten Commandments?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

John 3:1-15

cc: @Jack @Peterlag

I like that this says that the Son of Man came down from heaven. But angels come down from heaven also.

I prefer Titus 2:13. I had been saved and filled with the Spirit for five years before discovering this verse and it hit me like a baseball bat, and I said out loud. "Jesus is God!" I honestly didn't know that He still was. I had been taught that He emptied Himself of everything that made Him God. But now I know in John 17 He got back all His "glories" that made Him God.

13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We can be baptized in the name of all three as long as we are being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. His name is important as Christians.

Baptism is not a simple thing.....the Bible gives us a lot of ways to be baptized....yet few understand the significance of it.....thinking that sprinkling water on an infant somehow protects them from hell.....good grief!


Christian Baptism is a symbolic death, burial and resurrection. One presents themselves to be baptized in full recognition of what it means to BE a disciple of Christ. Too many are “Christians” in name only, never for a moment thinking that there are serious obligations that go with it.

Those baptized by John had to undergo another baptism as disciples of Jesus Christ.

That is very interesting. To be one of the few we must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Yes, few are actually listening when the truth is told...satan makes it seem like lies, and the lies seem like truth...they have been around a long time, so the “Christianity” we see practised today, bears little resemblance to the one taught in the first century.....we see history repeating...”Pharisees” were again raised up as leaders of “the church” and the truth of God’s word was lost.....satan corrupts the truth and those who follow what the “weeds” taught, are hoodwinked into believing his twisted version of it.

We are spirit, soul and body because God is also and they created us in Their image. One person. One God.
God is:
Spirit/Mind/Father - Romans 7:25; Galatians 5:17(small 's'); 1 Cor. 2:16. Jesus has the mind of the Father, just as the born again have the mind of Christ.
Holy Spirit/Soul/heart and conscience where God's laws are written on our new nature.
Jesus embodies the Godhead, so Jesus is the Body of God. Colossians 2:9

I prefer to see these terms as the Bible presents them, not as formulas for believing something that is not scripturally true.
“God is a spirit” (John 4:24) He is in an invisible form, and so are all who dwell in the realm where he resides.
Jesus taught us to pray to “OUR FATHER who art in HEAVEN”....so God (Jehovah) has a place of residence and he was there in heaven when Jesus was on earth. They communicated via prayer. To whom did Jesus pray? Was he talking to himself?

When Jesus gave his prophesy on the end time, he said “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matt 24:36) How is that possible if Jesus is God?

Holy Spirit is not a person, but the administration of Jehovah’s power in any given situation. When Jesus was baptized, he was immersed under the water, dying to his former life, and rising to do the will of his Father in the role of the Messiah.....holy spirit came down upon Jesus in that instant and the heavens were opened to reveal all that he had been as the only begotten spirit son of God, who had served his Father faithfully since his creation “in the beginning”. (Rev 3:14) From that day of his baptism onward Jesus the man possessed the power of God’s spirit....but not before.

The Greek pneuʹma (spirit) comes from pneʹo, meaning “breathe or blow,” and the Hebrew ruʹach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruʹach and pneuʹma, then, basically mean “breath” but have extended meanings beyond that basic sense. They can also mean wind; the vital force in living creatures; one’s spirit; spirit persons, including God and his angelic creatures; and God’s active holy spirit.
All these meanings have something in common......They all refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects.

So, taking my queues from the Bible instead of man’s reasoning, I do not see Jesus as part of a ‘godhead’ for the simple reason that this word is an invention of the church to support its doctrine.....it does not exist in scripture.

At Colossians 2:9, the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines “the·oʹtes” in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” So, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.
Jesus can therefore be “divine” without being “deity”.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Baptism is not a simple thing.....the Bible gives us a lot of ways to be baptized....yet few understand the significance of it.....thinking that sprinkling water on an infant somehow protects them from hell.....good grief!


Christian Baptism is a symbolic death, burial and resurrection. One presents themselves to be baptized in full recognition of what it means to BE a disciple of Christ. Too many are “Christians” in name only, never for a moment thinking that there are serious obligations that go with it.

Those baptized by John had to undergo another baptism as disciples of Jesus Christ.

Yes, few are actually listening when the truth is told...satan makes it seem like lies, and the lies seem like truth...they have been around a long time, so the “Christianity” we see practised today, bears little resemblance to the one taught in the first century.....we see history repeating...”Pharisees” were again raised up as leaders of “the church” and the truth of God’s word was lost.....satan corrupts the truth and those who follow what the “weeds” taught, are hoodwinked into believing his twisted version of it.

I prefer to see these terms as the Bible presents them, not as formulas for believing something that is not scripturally true.
“God is a spirit” (John 4:24) He is in an invisible form, and so are all who dwell in the realm where he resides.
Jesus taught us to pray to “OUR FATHER who art in HEAVEN”....so God (Jehovah) has a place of residence and he was there in heaven when Jesus was on earth. They communicated via prayer. To whom did Jesus pray? Was he talking to himself?

When Jesus gave his prophesy on the end time, he said “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matt 24:36) How is that possible if Jesus is God?

Holy Spirit is not a person, but the administration of Jehovah’s power in any given situation. When Jesus was baptized, he was immersed under the water, dying to his former life, and rising to do the will of his Father in the role of the Messiah.....holy spirit came down upon Jesus in that instant and the heavens were opened to reveal all that he had been as the only begotten spirit son of God, who had served his Father faithfully since his creation “in the beginning”. (Rev 3:14) From that day onward he possessed the power of God’s spirit....but not before.

The Greek pneuʹma (spirit) comes from pneʹo, meaning “breathe or blow,” and the Hebrew ruʹach (spirit) is believed to come from a root having the same meaning. Ruʹach and pneuʹma, then, basically mean “breath” but have extended meanings beyond that basic sense. They can also mean wind; the vital force in living creatures; one’s spirit; spirit persons, including God and his angelic creatures; and God’s active holy spirit.
All these meanings have something in common......They all refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion. Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects.

So, taking my queues from the Bible instead of man’s reasoning, I do not see Jesus as part of a ‘godhead’ for the simple reason that this word is an invention of the church to support its doctrine.....it does not exist in scripture.

At Colossians 2:9, the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes] dwells bodily.” Some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. (KJ, NE, RS, NAB) However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines “the·oʹtes” in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792) The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” So, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.
Jesus can therefore be “divine” without being “deity”.

Yes, the Greek word used in Col. 2:9 means deity, i.e. the state of being God as you know. And the Bible verifies that Jesus is not just our Savior, but our God. The three are inseparable and are in one person - Jesus. I was shocked when I found out that Jesus was still God. What happened according to what I read is that the Word emptied Himself of the glory powers of God to become a being that was mortal and could die. He became human and the seed was God's placed in Mary. (Do you believe that much?) John 17 is where Jesus asked the Father to give Him back those glories He had when He was with God before the world was. That might seem that there was a starting point, but just as the Father had no beginning nor end. This is also why Jesus as our High Priest was not after Levi, but Melchizedek who it says:

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” 3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

When was it do you believe that Jesus was created if that is what you believe? How do you explain Melchizedek who was actually Jesus, a theophany.

Aunty Jane, how do you explain who Jesus is, and is He your Savior?

I know JW have revised their Bible and taken out words. I would like to know what words? Also, can you write out the verse Isaiah 9:6.