Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Phoneman777]

God never intended for his people to become alcoholics. Alcoholism has caused more problems for humanity than any other substance ever created. My brother died from alcoholism; it was a terrible death. God gives us wonderful things to eat and drink and what do we do? we find some way to pervert it.

At around $4.5K, my brother pours down the drain an old used car and burns up two nice suits of clothes every year drinking and smoking SMH

 

[Phoneman777]

Deuteronomy 7:13, 11:14 for example say that wine is a blessing from God and a few chapters later it says having no wine is a curse (Deuteronomy 28:38, 51). Psalms 104 says that wine gladdens the heart of man. And let’s not forget that Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine… and no it wasn’t grape juice.

God even commands the Israelites to go buy beer and celebrate before the Lord (Deuteronomy 14:26).

For more information on the topic, 6 Truths About Alcohol in the Bible (is drinking a sin?)

DOES DEUTERONOMY 14:26 KJV SET A PRECEDENT FOR WINE DRINKING?​

Did the Lord hereby give the children of Abraham license to become intoxicated while on these sacred pilgrimages? Such a conclusion is inadmissible in the light of the Bible as a whole. Throughout the Sacred Writings, drinking and drunkards are condemned, and "the Scripture cannot be broken." John 10:35. The text in question, however, is, and must be, consistent with every other scripture.

In the Hebrew language, "wine" and "strong drink" are written ya-een and shai-chor, respectively. The two expressions are sometimes used synonymously in the Bible. (See Prov. 20:1; 1 Sam. 1:15.) Ya-een, or wine, covers a variety of meanings. It is used in Scripture to mean the pure juice of grapes (Ex. 29:40), fermented wine (Joshua 9:13), pure doctrine. Isa. 55:1. New, unfermented wine is tirosh. Joel 1:10. Old wine, fermented or unfermented, is shai-chor. The Hebrew word "shai-chor," means satisfaction, satiation, sweetness. Haggai 1:6. The English word "sugar," the German word "zucher," and the Greek word "sikera" (sweet wine) are all quite similar to) the Hebrew shai-cha ." The old wine was sweeter, more satisfying, than the new wine. (See Luke 5:39.)

Although "shai-chor" is used in Scripture many times, meaning intoxicating drink, it is also used to designate old, sweet, unfermented wine. (See Num. 28:7.) In this sense it is used also in Deuteronomy 14:26. Certainly God would not advocate in one scripture that which He unequivocally condemns in all the others. (See Prov. 21:1; Hab. 2:5; Isa. 5:22.)

You now have two truths before you:

1. "Wine" and "strong drink" do not necessarily mean "booze" in Scripture.
2. God flatly forbids the people to even look at booze, let alone drink it.

 

[Phoneman777]

Myth. By definition, wine is an alcoholic beverage.

The idea that the all knowing, all powerful Creator cannot figure out how to use words that differentiate between alcohol containing and not alcohol containing is not very honoring of YHWH.

False. Demanding Bible words with dual meanings or references must pertain to only one meaning or reference is what's called "a violation of hermeneutics".

"Wine" and "Strong drink" do not necessarily refer to "booze".

 

[Phoneman777]

Why do you some of you guys make this so HARD? LOVE God, LOVE your neighbor, do unto others. That's pretty much IT in a nutshell.

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments". - JESUS
"Look not upon the wine when it is (booze)". - JESUS (as told to us through Solomon)

Do you REALLY believe that if someone...EVEN CHRIST...had a glass or two of wine, he would be somehow 'evil'?

"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (and the hand works)". Evil doers do evil because they are evil and need to be born again.

Can one drink wine without becoming drunk? Or without their wine-bibing (yes, I know it's not a REAL word) becoming habitual?

If you had to walk through a minefield with only a map showing where to step, would you trust yourself to first "drink without becoming drunk"?

Likewise, as the Christian walks through this minefield called "life" with unseen destructive spiritual enemies everywhere, should we trust ourselves at any time to "drink without becoming drunk" or should we remain "sober" and "vigilant" and "watchful" as Scripture commands?

In all honesty, I don't give two hoots about whether Jesus drank wine or not. I DO care about his other teachings...being kind...being forgiving...being generous...having empathy...showing compassion, even to those we don't like...

That's the difference between the catholic and the Seventh-day Adventist: we believe God sends truth not to offend us but to keep us from danger while you, as is often the case with children, aren't concerned in the least about danger. Reminds me of a story I heard an old preacher tell about a school field trip he went on when he was a boy:

"They took us to the slaughterhouse to see how meat was prepared for the table, and one thing I noticed was that when the cows got close to where they were to die, they smelled the blood and their eyes dilated and their nostrils flared and they became anxious that unseen danger was up ahead...but the pigs? They didn't have a care in the world. They were busy eating the corn that had been laid down on the ground for them as a trap and weren't concerned about a thing until their throats were slit and there wasn't even enough time to squeal".​

Sorry Phoneman, but you seem to be pushing your own interpretation of the Bible.

About what? Wine doesn't always mean booze? Salvation is by grace through faith alone? Anyone can see how all that is backed up with Scripture and common sense.

I'll take Chruch Fathers over you any day.

The Early Church Fathers said when Paul spoke of the "Restrainer" which was preventing the rise of Antichrist, he was talking about the Pagan Roman Empire. And, when the Pagan Roman Empire fell, what arose directly in its place? That's right: the Papal Roman Empire aka "the papacy".

Iranaeus, Chrysostom, St. Augustine...any ECF that had anything to say on the subject said the Restrainer was Pagan Rome, not some "agent of holiness" operating down at the end of time.

 

[Phoneman777]

NOT according to the documentation that I read.

Produce the – documentation for your position. Scientific documentation – not SDA propaganda . . .

Show me documentation that grape juice kept for extended periods in the desert in the 1st century would NOT ferment – or that it was “greatly prolonged” by rinsing the grapes.

God doesn’t contradict Himself. Neither does He condemn drinking in moderation.
SOME people shouldn’t drink.

SOME people need to control their eating or they’ll be guilty of gluttony.
Does God “forbid” food??

EVERYONE should limit sexual activity to confines marriage.
Does God “Forbid” sex??

DB, unlike your usual self in which you tend to be unintentionally asinine, you're being deliberately asinine...do you really think the Israelites didn't understand the relationship between yeast and fermentation? Demanding documentation that the Israelites washed their grapes to get rid of the yeast, bird crap, bugs, dirt, etc., before crushing them is like demanding documentation the Israelites breathed air.

 

[Wrangler]

Did the Lord hereby give the children of Abraham license to become intoxicated while on these sacred pilgrimages? Such a conclusion is inadmissible in the light of the Bible as a whole.

Appeal to Strawman. Wrong. Exactly wrong! In light of the Bible as a whole drinking alcohol is encouraged throughout.

No one is even claiming license to become intoxicated is morally equivalent to drinking alcohol.

 

[Wrangler]

False. Demanding Bible words with dual meanings

Wine has no dual (contradictory) meaning. LOL

 

[amigo de christo]

What a crock. Catholics don't go by "their own traditions." The difference is, that Catholics aren't Sola Scriptura.

Oh, puh-LEEZ. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you said that same thing about the previous Popes...

Ha, ha! You say "Get in them Bibles." But isn't that part of the reason WHY we're 'here'?

Phoneman is in HIS bible; BreadOfLife also in his (her?) Bible. The words in BOTH Bibles aren't so much different. The interpretation is different. If the word "gay" meant "happy" a few decades ago. Couldn't some words in the bible also have a different meaning than WE interpret them TODAY?

You interpret a verse one way, *I* interpret it another. We can use different verses to try to prove our point until the cows come home.

If LOVE covers ALL, then why not just Love? Instead of sniping

Not. Even. True.
Not. Even. Biblical.

Be careful with your judgment, Robert. The measure you give is the measure you'll get...

When i say get in them bibles , i mean without the lenses of them ol denominations .
You see most folks learned what little they even know about the doctrine in that bible
under the twist of their teachers . But the call is being made , TIME TO OPEN IT UP and read it for ourselves
without the doctrinal rose colored glasses on . cause them glasses are saying things the scrips never said . KNOW what i mean .
BIBLE TIME folks .

 

[amigo de christo]

The problem we got in the house is , many folks read that bible either through the ADVENTIST VIEW
or morom view , or jw view or RCC view or emgergent view , now this list can get longer .
BUT THIS BE THE PROBLEM . Time to come on out them camps and learn the bible FOR YOU .

 

[Mink57]

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments". - JESUS
"Look not upon the wine when it is (booze)". - JESUS (as told to us through Solomon)

WHERE does the Bible say to "Look not upon wine when it's booze"? How in the world would one even know if grape juice is wine by just looking at it? Do you have some magical powers in that way? Because *I* sure don't....

"Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks (and the hand works)". Evil doers do evil because they are evil and need to be born again.

Wine ain't evil as much as you say it is...

If you had to walk through a minefield with only a map showing where to step, would you trust yourself to first "drink without becoming drunk"?

You seem to believe that if one takes even ONE SIP of alcohol, they're 'doomed'.

Likewise, as the Christian walks through this minefield called "life" with unseen destructive spiritual enemies everywhere, should we trust ourselves at any time to "drink without becoming drunk" or should we remain "sober" and "vigilant" and "watchful" as Scripture commands?

YES! PLENTY of people drink (alcohol) without becoming habitually drunk. You seem to believe that having even ONE drink somehow makes one drunk. Not. Even. Close.

That's the difference between the catholic and the Seventh-day Adventist: we believe God sends truth not to offend us but to keep us from danger while you, as is often the case with children, aren't concerned in the least about danger. Reminds me of a story I heard an old preacher tell about a school field trip he went on when he was a boy:

"They took us to the slaughterhouse to see how meat was prepared for the table, and one thing I noticed was that when the cows got close to where they were to die, they smelled the blood and their eyes dilated and their nostrils flared and they became anxious that unseen danger was up ahead...but the pigs? They didn't have a care in the world. They were busy eating the corn that had been laid down on the ground for them as a trap and weren't concerned about a thing until their throats were slit and there wasn't even enough time to squeal".​

About what? Wine doesn't always mean booze? Salvation is by grace through faith alone? Anyone can see how all that is backed up with Scripture and common sense.

You don't think that Cathocism teaches the same thing? You think that Catholics aren't concerned about 'danger'?

Wow. Have you got a LOT to learn about Catholicism! And no....faith ALONE is NOT backed by Scripture. In fact, it's just the opposite.

The Early Church Fathers said when Paul spoke of the "Restrainer" which was preventing the rise of Antichrist, he was talking about the Pagan Roman Empire. And, when the Pagan Roman Empire fell, what arose directly in its place? That's right: the Papal Roman Empire aka "the papacy".

Iranaeus, Chrysostom, St. Augustine...any ECF that had anything to say on the subject said the Restrainer was Pagan Rome, not some "agent of holiness" operating down at the end of time.

You need to read MORE about the early church fathers. They said nothing of the sort. You need to read MORE about the Apocrypha....The Didache...and thinking that the Bible tells us EVERYTHING.

It doesn't. The Bible is brought to us by a bunch of translators...But the one thing that stands out ALL ABOVE OTHERS, is to LOVE GOd, and LOVE each other.

Do you REALLY think that by your constant condescending...that you're "loving" others?

Or are you one of 'those' so-called Christians who believes that as long as you believe Jesus lived and died for us, that you can do whatever you want? And you'll be forgiven?

 

[amigo de christo]

YEah RIGHT . STAY DUG IN THE BIBLE my friends. A harlot knows how to decieve .

 

[BreadOfLife]

DB, unlike your usual self in which you tend to be unintentionally asinine, you're being deliberately asinine...do you really think the Israelites didn't understand the relationship between yeast and fermentation? Demanding documentation that the Israelites washed their grapes to get rid of the yeast, bird crap, bugs, dirt, etc., before crushing them is like demanding documentation the Israelites breathed air.

Soooo, when you’re challenged to supply an authoritative source – you collapse like a house of cards.
That’s what I thought . . .

I got MY scientific information from the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
I’ll take that over your skewed SDA nonsense ANY day of the week.

 

[Wrangler]

"Wine" and "Strong drink" do not necessarily refer to "booze".

Exactly wrong! All synonyms. Wine. Strong Drink. Booze. All mean alcoholic drinks.

 

[Illuminator]

Abstention from alcohol is a tenet of a number of religious faiths, such as Islam; Hinduism; Jainism; the Swaminarayans; Sikhism; Baháʼís; Meivazhi-ites; Guta RaMwari; the Assemblies of God; the Seventh-day Adventist Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1.

• the Assemblies of God; the Seventh-day Adventist Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were ALL founded by Protestant pastors,
• all during the post-enlightenment era* and
• all in the U.S.A.

One big tap root system of weeds.

 

[Illuminator]

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In London, early on a Christmas morning, a family was busily preparing a goose, plum pudding, chestnuts, and other delectable items for the holiday’s feast.
Suddenly, there were loud knocks at the door, which, when opened, did not reveal faces of well-wishers or visiting relatives. What were seen were the stern faces of Parliament’s troops, there to arrest and fine the family for celebrating Christmas Day with a feast instead of the mandated fast.

Have Yourself a Sad and Lifeless Christmas

Christmas for the 17th-century Puritans was a miserable affair, set in strong opposition to the joyful customs of the Continental Catholics.

www.catholic.com

 

[Illuminator]

In the first few centuries, when pagan temples were knocked down and replaced by Catholic basilicas, when pagan holidays days were transformed into memorials to the martyrs, saints, and the Lord, there was no misconception about what was taking place. It was an absolute triumph of the Church over paganism. The winter solstice was the astronomical event, written into God’s creation as well as the calendar, used to commemorate Christ’s coming as “The Light of the World.”

This was not going be a half-hearted holiday. Happiness can’t be quantified or rationed. The birth of Christ was bound to be marked with excess because of the spontaneous nature of exuberance.

Have a Merry Christmas

 

[amigo de christo]

only the harlot never took the pagan out of them . Folks never sit under a harlot , if so ye shall become severely diseased
and death shall ensue .

 

[amigo de christo]

Abstention from alcohol is a tenet of a number of religious faiths, such as Islam; Hinduism; Jainism; the Swaminarayans; Sikhism; Baháʼís; Meivazhi-ites; Guta RaMwari; the Assemblies of God; the Seventh-day Adventist Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1.

• the Assemblies of God; the Seventh-day Adventist Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were ALL founded by Protestant pastors,
• all during the post-enlightenment era* and
• all in the U.S.A.

One big tap root system of weeds.

Sayeth the mother weed to all other weeds .

 

[David in NJ]

In the first few centuries, when pagan temples were knocked down and replaced by Catholic basilicas, when pagan holidays days were transformed into memorials to the martyrs, saints, and the Lord, there was no misconception about what was taking place. It was an absolute triumph of the Church over paganism. The winter solstice was the astronomical event, written into God’s creation as well as the calendar, used to commemorate Christ’s coming as “The Light of the World.”

This was not going be a half-hearted holiday. Happiness can’t be quantified or rationed. The birth of Christ was bound to be marked with excess because of the spontaneous nature of exuberance.

Have a Merry Christmas

Happy Thanksgiving to @Illuminator and may God grant you to know the Way, the Truth and the Life

Paganism, along with all sins was defeated on the Cross by our Savior = LORD Jesus Christ

To HIM alone all praise and Glory be to the Glory of God the FATHER, JESUS the SON and the Holy Spirit

"Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands." - Acts 17:23

 

[amigo de christo]

Happy Thanksgiving to @Illuminator and may God grant you to know the Way, the Truth and the Life

Paganism, along with all sins was defeated on the Cross by our Savior = LORD Jesus Christ

To HIM alone all praise and Glory be to the Glory of God the FATHER, JESUS the SON and the Holy Spirit

"Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands." - Acts 17:23

All was defeated by CHRIST at the cross . But if the jesus we follow contradicts the JESUS CHRIST of GOD
then we are not made partakers of HE who defeated all evil at the cross , but rather are still sons and daughters of evil .
That be a painful fact many do not want to believe .
But this gringo shall continue by grace to remind all about .
JESUS defeated satan himself , but satan still prowls about decieving whom he will .
IF ya jesus aint JESUS then you still under satan . Thus if our jesus contradicts THE JESUS IN THE BIBLE
guess who we still serve and love ..............SATAN . Now that is NOT a good end .
Satan uses the name of JESUS , but do beware cause the jesus he preaches wont save SQUAT
for the jesus he preaches serves himself and the flesh . YEAH , ponder on that for a bit my dear , dear friend .
THE RCC is a harlot but she aint the only harlot . And the time to be grave is BIG TIME upon us now .
OH i know we been taught to ease up , to tone it down , to not judge . TELL that to the souls who persihed under a lie .
Cause i just bet they would be just like the rich man was , WISHING TO HECK they had heeded the truth
while there was still time and wishing to heck they could send lazarous to the house of so many so as they
would not join them in that hellascious place of torment . FOLKS ACT LIKE WE GOT ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD
but had the rich man known his last hour , YOU can bet he had repented . NO SIR
this lamb gonna warn , gonna be grave , gonna be serious . CAUSE i KNOW THE END OF THOSE WHO LOVED A LIE
ITS ETERNAL TORMENT . I DONT DESIRE THEIR DEATH . My home is not HERE , my KINGDOM is not of this world
and i could give five cares less about the pleasures and easy life and lets just get along DUNG CRAP most now preach .
TIME we got real serious . cause not you , not me , not any knows when anyones day is up .
BETTER we get serious and preach JESUS and all biblical doctrine NOW , as no man knows what even the next hour
might hold , let alone tomorrow , MIGHT BRING . no man knows when their TIME or another ones time is up .
IF ONLY folks had that mindset , WOW what a truth might have been preached to all .