What is "OSAS"?

[amigo de christo]

Christ said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. Your theory is that it has..........

His theory is incorrect big time . You see WHEN CHRIST does return
it for will to gather his lambs and to lay down wrath against the ungodly . THERE IS NO second chance .
I admit i got worried huge when i read his response . The church is still as real as it was in the beginning .
THE PROBLEM is MOST FOLKS have no idea what the church is , what it has lost or let alone they are lost
and have been overcome by the doctrines of men gone wrong . I SUGGEST we get back in the bible for ourselves
and learn and see what it is that MOST NO LONGER EVEN KNOW .
THE TRUE CHURCH has at no time , NO TIME , NO TIME been overcome by the world .
The lambs are the church and the lambs through all ages have heeded CHRIST , not men who teach contrary to HIM .
On that note , you better get back in the bible as well . cause the protestant realm aint the only one that has tanked
THE RCC been a harlot for a long , long time and she has many daughters who do her will too .
BIBLE TIME . or continue to be decieved . THE CHOICE is yours my dear , dear friend . Butas for this lamb
THE BIBLE is my book , that GOD my GOD , that CHRIST my CHRIST
those apostels the true apostels . BY WHICH all others shall be tested . i do suggest and suggest HIGLY you DO THE SAME NOW .

 

[amigo de christo]

There are two justifications, faith and works, both are used in the bible since not everyone has works. But for them that can labor in the field it is necessary probably. Matthew 20:1-16

Wrong my dear dear friend . THERE is but ONE JUSTIFICATION . FAITH IN JESUS . Its just if we claim to have faith in HIM
but have not works , THAT be dead , dead faith .
And many there be who can lip His name and yet DENY HIM .
You see even paul said exactly what james did and james did not contradict paul either .
Paul knew faith without works is dead . HE KNEW it was FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST that alone saved or justified one
JUST AS DID JAMES .
But what they both also knew was , MANY LIP HIS NAME , MANY CLAIM TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
MANY claim to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST and yet , DENY HIM IN WORKS . They love sin
they still embrace the old man , sure they might do some good works at times , but they do as they do
for one reason . TO appease and to justify themselves as to why they do as they do .
Now due to the great delusion we have many now who also try and say YE DONT NEED faith in JESUS
as long as you had love . THAT TOO IS FALSE AS CAN BE . NO LOVE would point to self as a means to save self .
IT WOULD HAVE POINTED TO BELEIVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST and yes it would also warn be on gaurd for all the other versions
of a jesus , of another gospel , of a false love that saves none . WE BETTER watch out
cause the end time delusional lie is actually winning out in all camps as they huddle more and more together as one
RIGHT UNDER the DRAGON and his universal sin accepting , false love , LIE . BE ON GAURD , cause its all OVER the place now /

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes. :) But it's not about me. But... to what you say here... yes. :)

Ohhhhh, boy. I thought you were done. Oh well, on we go, I guess... :)


I wouldn't say that, and never have. But it doesn't save. God saves. Even when we were dead in our trespasses ~ as Paul says ~ He made us alive together with Christ. We did not make ourselves alive in Christ, nor did a priest or pastor or any other human being make us alive by pouring water on is (or sprinkling it on our heads, as is the case in many churches). We ~ and this is Paul again ~ are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works. With man this is impossible, but with God, nothing is impossible. But to your statement here, water baptism is not worthless by any stretch of the imagination. It's just not effectual unto salvation. And ~ although based on what Peter says in Acts 2:28 this should not be the case ~ is probably most often done in response to having been saved (we often call this "believer's baptism"). There's nothing wrong with that, really, but, well, following when God commanded circumcision on male children in the Old Testament, which was at eight days old, children of believers should be baptized as early as possible, as the promise is, as Peter says, for us and our children.


As I said, the water did not save Noah and his family in the sense of conferring salvation on him (or his family), but rather in the sense of sustaining their lives through the judgment of the flood. Noah himself, long before the flood, was a righteous man, blameless in his generation, and... walked with God (Genesis 6:9). He had already been saved/redeemed/made alive by the Lord.


LOL! This is probably not going to go the way you want it to... :)


Okay, sure...


A couple of things here: First, surely you don't think Moses was not already saved... And second, the Israelites passed through the see on dry land and were protected from the waters, which after the Isrealites were through, killed the Egyptians. So in much the same way as Noah above... :) Oh, and hey, Moses was protected from Pharoah by floating in the Nile ~ water ~ in the basket made by his mother. This is how he got his very name; Pharoah's daughter named him Moses because as she said, she “drew him out of the water.”


Hm. :) Well let's look at that passage, shall we? :) "For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ." This is about protection and sustenance, Mary. Not salvation itself. So... same as above. :)


Ah, yes, NOW we are talking about salvation, administered by God. Jesus is referring directly to this passage in His conversation in John 3 with Nicodemus, as you may know. So yes, water and the Spirit... In John 3, by what Jesus says, we can immediately see that “born of water and the Spirit” (3:5) is parallel to “born again” (3:5); you agree with that, I understand; but yes, Jesus’s use of “born of water and the Spirit” is Jesus’s explanation of what He means by “born again.” Jesus refers to Nicodemus as "the teacher of Israel" (3:10), so I think we can safely say that Nicodemus knew very well that Jesus was referring to Ezekiel 36. And in doing so, Jesus is telling Nicodemus that God was promising, through the prophet Ezekiel, that a time was coming when there would be a transformative new beginning, characterized by spectacular cleansing symbolized by water that washes away all impurities and idols, and by the powerful gift of the Spirit that transforms the hearts of people. And obviously, Jesus was telling Nicodemus that that time is now here. And it still is, of course. This is what being born of water and the Spirit... being born again.


Yet again, I have never said such. It has great meaning in several ways when referred to in a Biblical, Christian context. It just does not save. This is all I have ever said, Mary.


Ah, Naaman. Such a great story. It's all about God's power to save... At the suggestion of his wife’s Jewish servant girl, Naaman arranged to meet with the prophet Elisha. Elisha told this distinguished Gentile to “go and wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored, and you shall be clean.” But Naaman went away in anger. Why? He thought the waters of Syria to be superior to the waters of Israel. And he also was clear about his expectations for his meeting with Elisha, saying, "Behold, I thought that he would surely come out to me and stand and call upon the name of the LORD his God, and wave his hand over the place and cure the leper. Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Could I not wash in them and be clean?" (2 Kings 5:11–12) Naaman was obviously expecting some sort of spectacular display that affirmed Elisha as an oracle of “his” God and some grand gesture to show the divine power at work in him. But only the God of Israel ~ the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Isreal) ~ can save. Luke refers to Naaman's story in chapter 4 of his gospel, saying, "...there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian” (Luke 4:27). Our water baptism does not save. God saves.


Right, and he says it saves us, "not as a removal of dirt from the body..." (as literal water would; not in this sense) "...but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (but rather in this sense). When we are baptized, we make this appeal ourselves (or on behalf of our infant children when they are baptized). Surely you would agree that we do not save ourselves, right? The outward sign of water baptism is unquestionably a good thing, but it is a sign given to us that we might have a good conscience, and even that our faith, the assurance given by God and the conviction by the Holy Spirit of things unseen (Hebrews 11:1), might even be strengthened. It is an outward sign of the covenant, a sacrament, given to us for our own benefit and that of others. But water baptism does not itself save us or redeem us to God.


Right, but again, regarding Noah and his family, to save them in the sense of preserving their lives and not "washing them away with the sinners"... :)


Yet again... I never said or insinuated such...


Sure. But you ~and "your men"... lol... and this is not just a Catholic thing ~ inadvertently take it out of context. See above.


Well, thanks; I'll pray for you, too, Mary. Yes, we all need prayer, for sure...

Grace and peace to you, Keeping It Re ~ uh, I mean, Histor ~ sorry, I mean, um, well, Mary. :)

You are patient, I give you kudos…

by the way, Noah was not saved by the water, he was saved through the water, the ark saved him not water

Just like we are nt saved By faith, we are saved by GRACE through faith (not WORKS)

people have to much water on their minds.. Water never saved anyone (well the living water did.. (the HS)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

His theory is incorrect big time . You see WHEN CHRIST does return
it for will to gather his lambs and to lay down wrath against the ungodly . THERE IS NO second chance .
I admit i got worried huge when i read his response . The church is still as real as it was in the beginning .
THE PROBLEM is MOST FOLKS have no idea what the church is , what it has lost or let alone they are lost
and have been overcome by the doctrines of men gone wrong . I SUGGEST we get back in the bible for ourselves
and learn and see what it is that MOST NO LONGER EVEN KNOW .
THE TRUE CHURCH has at no time , NO TIME , NO TIME been overcome by the world .
The lambs are the church and the lambs through all ages have heeded CHRIST , not men who teach contrary to HIM .
On that note , you better get back in the bible as well . cause the protestant realm aint the only one that has tanked
THE RCC been a harlot for a long , long time and she has many daughters who do her will too .
BIBLE TIME . or continue to be decieved . THE CHOICE is yours my dear , dear friend . Butas for this lamb
THE BIBLE is my book , that GOD my GOD , that CHRIST my CHRIST
those apostels the true apostels . BY WHICH all others shall be tested . i do suggest and suggest HIGLY you DO THE SAME NOW .

The gates of hell will not prevail

a gate is a defense weapon, not offensive.

God said he would send the church into the world to save that which was lost. And rescue them and bring them outside the gates of hell.

Its not to protect the church, its to protect satan and his army from the church

 

[Taken]

Blood can cleanse me but water can't? Please explain....

Thank you.....Mary

No.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No.

I almost fell out of my chair when I opened up what she said so I could see it.

wow

 

[Taken]

You are patient, I give you kudos…

by the way, Noah was not saved by the water, he was saved through the water, the ark saved him not water

Noah’s body was saved by obeying God.
Noah built the ark, enter the ark, and the ark rose up on the face of the water, above the mountains, in the clouds. Then they in the ark returned to earth bodily alive.

 

[Taken]

I almost fell out of my chair when I opened up what she said so I could see it.

wow

Understanding comes After Knowledge. The Knowledge of Jesus’ Blood cleansing is in multiple Scriptures, that which she seems utterly unfamiliar.

 

[Taken]

Hey EG,

Where do I get this bread of life that will make me live forever? You say that you ate the bread from heaven. I don't understand what that means. Can you clarify that?

Thank you in advance......Mary

YIKES

 

[Eternally Grateful]

YIKES

good thing you mentioned this, I would never have seen it (I have her on ignore)

John 6:

1. Do not search for food which perishes (meaning we have to eat again) but food which endures to eternal life (we never have to eat again)

27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

2. What is this food? Jesus called it the bread of life, which whoever eats will never hunger or thirst (meaning again, you do not keep eating and drinking)

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

3. what did Jesus mean by the bread from heaven?

- come to him
- see the son and believe

what will they recieve? They will NEVER BE CAST OUT, and will be Raised on the last day, because they will live forever.


37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

4. Jesus is the bread of life, Whoever eats that bread will never die. They will live forever. Unlike mana, which they had to eat every day, or comntionually, because the food died. and even they died even though they ate it. How do we eat it? Believe in him, What is the bread? the cross.. His life. His flesh

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

They still did not get it. So Jesus took it further
5. Unless you eat and drink, you will die. If you do eat and drink, you will never die and you will live forever. Unlike again, the fathers who ate manna (continually) yet still died

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

6 Jesus explains what it is that gives life

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

The bread from heaven, the flesh and blood is the words jesus came to say through the spirit. He says to gnaw and chew on those words. So you make sure you understand them, and recieve them

This is not some eucharistic mass. This is the true gospel of Christ. Eat, drink (once) of the food which endures forever.

or eat and drink continually the food and still die.. because it is not the true flesh and blood

But @Marymog won't listen, She listens to her men and follows them no matter what.

then she will say I can;t prove my point, well I just did

will wait for her normal (my private interpretation)

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

It is forever. After you do the works (the bible way) to obtain it.

Thank you. That's not what the Bible says. Just the opposite in fact but, I thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Taken]

good thing you mentioned this, I would never have seen it (I have her on ignore)

John 6:

1. Do not search for food which perishes (meaning we have to eat again) but food which endures to eternal life (we never have to eat again)

27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”

2. What is this food? Jesus called it the bread of life, which whoever eats will never hunger or thirst (meaning again, you do not keep eating and drinking)

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

3. what did Jesus mean by the bread from heaven?

- come to him
- see the son and believe

what will they recieve? They will NEVER BE CAST OUT, and will be Raised on the last day, because they will live forever.


37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

4. Jesus is the bread of life, Whoever eats that bread will never die. They will live forever. Unlike mana, which they had to eat every day, or comntionually, because the food died. and even they died even though they ate it. How do we eat it? Believe in him, What is the bread? the cross.. His life. His flesh

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

They still did not get it. So Jesus took it further
5. Unless you eat and drink, you will die. If you do eat and drink, you will never die and you will live forever. Unlike again, the fathers who ate manna (continually) yet still died

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is [k]food indeed, and My blood is [l]drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

6 Jesus explains what it is that gives life

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

The bread from heaven, the flesh and blood is the words jesus came to say through the spirit. He says to gnaw and chew on those words. So you make sure you understand them, and recieve them

This is not some eucharistic mass. This is the true gospel of Christ. Eat, drink (once) of the food which endures forever.

or eat and drink continually the food and still die.. because it is not the true flesh and blood

But @Marymog won't listen, She listens to her men and follows them no matter what.

then she will say I can;t prove my point, well I just did

will wait for her normal (my private interpretation)

It’s not complicated…
* Jewish Priests, washed before entering the Temple.
* Men brought their sin offering to the Temple…(particular animal, in a particular condition)
* Jewish Rabbi’s, washed, especially their feet before entering Synagogues.
* John baptized with water.
* Men were baptized in rivers.
* Jewish women, separated with issue of blood.
* Sick were separated from healthy.

Men for centuries, washed, cleansed, their body’s, especially before entering the House dedicated to God.
Men washing their body’s, their clothes, with water and covering his body in long garments, was as close to “purified” as a man of his own accord could get, to being presentable Before God….while still the man being IN his Natural Sinful Flesh Body.

The WHOLE point of the NEW…”Better testament”….was for God to Offer ALL men, (not only ISRAEL), according to Gods WAY…
His Way…for Forgiveness and COMPLETE, “do over”…body, soul, spirit of the man…
Promised to BE given TO ANY Truthful Willing man.

And ALL of Gods WAY, is Via His SPIRIT…
Not water, Not rituals, Not trinkets, Not wealth, Not brick, mortar, wood, plaster, etc.

And then for someone supposedly steeped in a church’s teaching, wondering what this blood thingy and food thingy is all about…
Is astounding!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Thats what I thought

Instead of eating the true bread of live where you can live forever. You eat the bread that you must eat over and over, and still are not assured you will live forever as Jesus promised whoever ate it would

News flash. Your church ruled the world for 1500 years. I would not expect anythign that went against them to be found
But hey, if you want to be a man follower. Feel free

Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NEVER succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18).
Soooo – when in your human estimation did His guarantee expire?

I will follow the word. I ate the bread from heaven.. I was born again, with the uncountable seed.

Jesus said that HE is the bread from Heaven – His flesh and blood. He said that it was REAL food and REAL drink (John 6:55).

When did YOU eat and drink His flesh and blood - and HOW did you do it?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I can't figure how anyone would think Salvation isn't forever.

Because the Word of God says so . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

Also read - Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13 and Rev. 3:5,

 

[BreadOfLife]

1. Pride
2. The flesh
3. Refusal to repent,
4. Refusal to truly look at the cross. Because you think you can still save yourself (even if you deny it)

I suggest you read post #454 . . .

 

[PinSeeker]

You are patient, I give you kudos…

Well, it is part ~ one ninth :) ~ of the fruit of the Spirit... :) Thank you. :)

by the way, Noah was not saved by the water, he was saved through the water, the ark saved him not water

Right. Don't think I said or insinuated any differently, but maybe worded it somewhat ambiguously. Yes, I agree. Thanks for clarifying that... And... regarding Noah's story... Jesus is the ark. :) Rather, the ark is a type of the one who saves us through the waters, right? And Noah and his family represent all of us (Christians).

Just like we are nt saved By faith, we are saved by GRACE through faith (not WORKS)

Right. Which is the gift of God, as Paul says in Ephesians 2 and in other places in his letters in different ways.

people have to much water on their minds.. Water never saved anyone (well the living water did.. (the HS)

Right, the water given by Jesus ~ which is certainly a literal thing, but quite different than, well, literally, two-parts-hydrogen-one-part-oxygen.

:)

Grace and peace to you, EG.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Because the Word of God says so . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God “take away” somebody’s “share” of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

Also read - Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13 and Rev. 3:5,

Ephesians 2:8-9 NIVFor it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.


John 6:38-40 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

You Can Never Lose Your Salvation, and Here's Why!

Adapted from the new bestselling book “Twisted Scripture: 45 Lies Christians Have Been Told” by Andrew Farley

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. (Galatians 5:4, NASB)

Fallen from grace? That certainly sounds like they’ve lost their salvation. And the way the term is popularly used today doesn’t help, either. When we hear in the news about a celebrity who has “fallen from grace”, it typically describes someone who was behaving well but then suffered a moral failure. Perhaps they were arrested for illegal drugs, cheated on their spouse, or cheated on their taxes.

But in Galatians, falling from grace means something very different: falling away from the message of God’s grace and toward the Law.

Paul wrote Galatians to a variety of people. Some had accepted the Gospel; others were acquainted with the message but hadn’t accepted it. Still others had flirted with the idea of salvation by grace through faith but instead chose to seek rightness with God through keeping the Law.

In Galatians 5, Paul was speaking to those “seeking to be justified by law” (v.4) and notes that they were planning to “receive circumcision” (v.3). Clearly, this means they were unbelievers who had no clue how to get right with God.

How can we be certain that Paul was not speaking to believers who had lost their salvation? Notice the contrast between “you” and “we” in the passage:

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. (Galatians 5:4–5)

The Greek word for “severed” here conveys that some of the Galatians were “void of” Christ. In other words, those who seek rightness with God through Law-keeping inevitably cut themselves off from the truth of the Gospel. This makes it impossible for them to be justified before God.

So this is not a group of believers who have lost salvation. Instead, it’s a group of Galatians influenced and ultimately persuaded by Judaizers to mix Old Testament rule-keeping in with the true salvation message. This is why Paul separates himself and his fellow believers (“we”) as those in Christ who approach rightness with God in a different way—by faith, not by the works of the Law.

God’s Promise of Security​

The New Testament is full of evidence that we cannot lose our salvation. Jesus said that the new life we have is eternal, not temporal, and we will never die (Luke 20:36). He said that no one can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:28–29). Paul tells us that we’ve been sealed with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13–14) and that our calling will never be revoked (Romans 11:29).

God will never leave us and never forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). We are protected by His power (1 Peter 1:5). God is able to save us completely because He always lives to intercede for us for any sins imaginable (Hebrews 7:25).

Why did Jesus so confidently say that of everyone the Father has given Him, He will lose no one (John 6:39)? Because it’s not our dedication, our commitment, or our promise-keeping that maintains our salvation. No, the book of Hebrews actually reveals the polar opposite: it’s God’s promise to Himself that secures our salvation (Hebrews 6:13–20).

The author of Hebrews speaks of a promise secured between “two unchangeable things” that anchor our souls. What are these two unchangeable things? God and God.

In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us. This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil. (Hebrews 6:17–19)

It is impossible for God (and God!) to lie. So when God promises God, you can count on it. And that’s the whole point–our salvation is anchored to a promise that God made to Himself: “since He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself ” (Hebrews 6:13b).

God’s Promise of Security​

The New Testament is full of evidence that we cannot lose our salvation. Jesus said that the new life we have is eternal, not temporal, and we will never die (Luke 20:36). He said that no one can snatch us out of His hand (John 10:28–29). Paul tells us that we’ve been sealed with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13–14) and that our calling will never be revoked (Romans 11:29).

God will never leave us and never forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). We are protected by His power (1 Peter 1:5). God is able to save us completely because He always lives to intercede for us for any sins imaginable (Hebrews 7:25).

Why did Jesus so confidently say that of everyone the Father has given Him, He will lose no one (John 6:39)? Because it’s not our dedication, our commitment, or our promise-keeping that maintains our salvation. No, the book of Hebrews actually reveals the polar opposite: it’s God’s promise to Himself that secures our salvation (Hebrews 6:13–20).

The author of Hebrews speaks of a promise secured between “two unchangeable things” that anchor our souls. What are these two unchangeable things? God and God.

In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us. This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil. (Hebrews 6:17–19)

It is impossible for God (and God!) to lie. So when God promises God, you can count on it. And that’s the whole point–our salvation is anchored to a promise that God made to Himself: “since He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself ” (Hebrews 6:13b).

 

[Taken]

Thank you. That's not what the Bible says. Just the opposite in fact but, I thank you for your thoughts.

Some believe and teach, works, works, works, gains a soul Salvation.
Agree…..Eh, error.

Jesus taught ONE works of God of a man to Do….which is: BELIEVE.
(John 6: 28-29)

Scripture taught ONE service of a man to DO….CONFESS their BELIEF.
(Rom 10: 8,9,10)

The Condition for each is the BELIEF, the CONFESSION of BELIEF…by of the mans “natural spirit”, ie the natural truth, in a mans natural heart.

As Scripture teaches to TEST (ie verify) all things you hear….so ALSO Does God.
He will search a mans (spirit) in his heart, to see if his belief, his confession be true or not.
Or not? That is a lie, and Salvation of his soul and Quickening of his spirit is not given the man.

Works, works, works….thereafter, that Glorify God, the man is given “rewards” when Jesus returns.

Rev 22:
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Works, works, works…any man does that does NOT Glorify God, shall be burned.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

You are patient, I give you kudos…

by the way, Noah was not saved by the water, he was saved through the water, the ark saved him not water

Just like we are nt saved By faith, we are saved by GRACE through faith (not WORKS)

people have to much water on their minds.. Water never saved anyone (well the living water did.. (the HS)

Its real simple really . IF the early church taught and did it . we do .
Both paul and james were in full agreement.
They both knew we are saved soley by the grace of GOD , FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
its just they both knew that many can lip that name and yet HAVE ZERO FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
LIP SERVICE is DEAD SERVICE if the heart matches not those lips . and that be a fact too .
You see we are soley saved BY GRACE . FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST . paul knew that
SO DID JAMES . yes , SO DID JAMES . They just both knew , as i wrote above
GOD WONT BE MOCKED , you cant just lip the name and yet follow another jesus that serves the flesh .
THE JESUS CHRIST we love and embrace is the one we TRULY BELIEVED IN .
And if our jesus is holding rainbows and championing certain sins and other religoins , THEN IT AINT JESUS
and IT SURE AINT NO GOSPEL , and it sure aint LOVE , no matter how hard they try and say tis love .
IT AINT . GOD wont be mocked . many gonna find this out TOO late on HIS DAY TOO .
SO the question , that very same question i often bring up , REMAINS . JUST WHAT JESUS or jesus are we believing in
That be the golden question my friend . Cause many i do see that sure seem to be following what paul would term
another jesus , another gospel . AND please understand why i didnt captilze that jesus . CAUSE IT AINT JESUS
and it cannot save them .