Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Phoneman777]

Very depressing indeed to even have to listen to them popes lip their lips . I could not make it two minutes in that service
without severe depression setting in , depression for THEM of course . Never ever , evah ever ever sit under the R double C.
Okay you all may return to the thread at hand .

The stark contrast between the uplifting hymns and spiritual songs of praise vs. the dreary, gloomy chanting heard echoing in the halls of papal churches. Luther sure knew what he was doing.

 

[Phoneman777]

There is also another reminder i want to give us and we also better NOT ever once forget it .
He who LOVETH his mother , brother , son , daughter , mother etc MORE THAN CHRIST dont KNOW HIM .
that i wrote to expose the all inclusive love lie that many denominations are now buying into .
YA bess watch out , cause i have seen it IN ALL DENOMINATIONS and at work to UNIFY THEM AS ONE
and the other religoins as ONE under the every growing false many path rainbow loving LIE .
Its a false love sent out under delusion to gather all to sit under the harlot as one .

Right.
Two dogs can mate and produce a dog.
Two cats can mate and produce a cat.
Two lions can mate and produce a lion.

But, two saints cannot produce a saint. "Ye must be born again". Christ must be numero uno or nothing at all.

 

[Cassandra]

Do you understand that not EVERYONE who claims to become a "Christian" is actually a Christian? I can claim all day long that I accepted Christ...and go on sinning. Dissect Cor 5:17. There are certain 'elements' to it. The first is "IF." The second is "be in Christ." What does it mean to "be in Christ?

Of course i understand that!!! that is why if there is no change in a person or they do good things just to be doing them, that is not the gospel.
I am talking about a new man in Christ Jesus. If one is converted, truly converted, he is a Christian.

 

[Phoneman777]

So, you're telling me that you CAN'T find one sentence in the Bible that says we are saved by faith ALONE. Actually, is one sentence in the Bible where 'faith' and 'alone' are used together. James 2:24.

The PRINCIPLE is found throughout the Bible, an example of which I've shown you in my post.

When Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" he did NOT write, "...through faith ALONE..." He could have written that, but he didn't. He could have written, "...ONLY through faith..." Again, he didn't.

He didn't NEED to! Do you not realize the foundation of paganism is "something I do makes me acceptable to God" while the foundation for Christianity is "something GOD HAS DONE makes me acceptable to God"???

I repeat: any fool knows gain is acquired either by COMPENSATION OR DONATION. If salvation is not given as compensation, it's donation.

And then James comes along and tells us, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24).

So, why you keep trying to add to the Word of God is beyond me.

Good gravy, you catholics spot a fence post that appears out of line, and conclude the other 999 need to be dug up and shifted rather than simply focusing on the one.

Both Paul and James teach we're justified by works - what do they mean? Do they mean to say works are the means to OBTAIN justification or are they the EVIDENCE for justification?

They're the EVIDENCE we've been justified just as courtroom evidence justifies an accused innocent man. Our good works are the EVIDENCE we've been justified by grace through faith ALONE because the carnal mind can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).

Sure. Got any proof? Claim the "divinely" granted prerogative to deal truthfully only with fellow Jews.

Maybe you should put down PC news outlets and tune into real news, where "anti-semitism" victimhood is a powerless shield of protection from the truth. Rabbis make it their BOAST that God grants them such immunity.

You remind me of my former anti-2A democrat neighbor who said he had a "well rounded" sampling of news because "I listen to both CNN and BBC". I almost died laughing.

Wait...we still talking about Martin Luther's disliking of the Jews...or your own?

Luther is accused of hating Jews because he dealt harshly with them for their absolute murderous hate for Christ. Doesn't mean he hated them...it means he correctly understood them to be every bit as much a threat to the cause of Christ then as they are today.

No, the ancient Jews didn't have Jesus crucified. SOME of them wanted Jesus crucified. Others didn't.

The ancient Jews welcomed Christ on Palm Sunday and completely abandoned Christ by the following Friday. Barely a handful remained faithful. I'm not sure who told you that lie.

Honestly Phoneman, I'm starting to believe that your reading comprehension is colored by your distaste for Catholics.

If I truly had distaste for catholics, I'd say nothing and simply reserve a chair and a big bag of popcorn on the boardwalk of Fire Lake and watch you papists go up in flames.

MY DISTASTE IS FOR ERROR, NOT THOSE WHO ARE SEDUCED BY IT.

Many sincere catholics have fallen asleep in Jesus, following all the light they'd been given. However, those who staunchly defend the papacy after the light of Protestant truth has come are treading on dangerous ground.

 

[amigo de christo]

Right.
Two dogs can mate and produce a dog.
Two cats can mate and produce a cat.
Two lions can mate and produce a lion.

But, two saints cannot produce a saint. "Ye must be born again". Christ must be numero uno or nothing at all.

Well said . And let us always remember while a chamelion can change its color to adapt
to its environment , a leopard cannot change its spots . Sounds contrary but there is a meaning behind this .
ITS HOW GOD MADE THEM . aka , a boy cannot become a girl nor a girl a boy , a man cannot make himself a woman
nor a woman make herself a man . Something this generation better understand real fast .
For the alphabet of great darkness is adding many memebers to its support . And lambs cannot support that which is evil .
Just a friendly reminder to all .

 

[Marvelloustime]

There is also another reminder i want to give us and we also better NOT ever once forget it .
He who LOVETH his mother , brother , son , daughter , mother etc MORE THAN CHRIST dont KNOW HIM .
that i wrote to expose the all inclusive love lie that many denominations are now buying into .
YA bess watch out , cause i have seen it IN ALL DENOMINATIONS and at work to UNIFY THEM AS ONE
and the other religoins as ONE under the every growing false many path rainbow loving LIE .
Its a false love sent out under delusion to gather all to sit under the harlot as one .

 

[Phoneman777]

Do you understand that not EVERYONE who claims to become a "Christian" is actually a Christian?

And, do you not understand the catholic church can't possibly be Christ's end time church of today?

Christ's "remnant" aka "end times" church will be identical to the church He established and keep the same commandments, according to Revelation 12:17 KJV and Revelation 14:12 KJV.

Catholicism by her own words disqualifies herself as that church, seeing she makes it her boast that she's changed Christ's laws and demands catholics adhere to the laws of the church, not the laws of Christ.

There's no other way around this truth: the papacy (the union of catholicism and the secular authorities) is not Christ's church - it's the antichrist system of Bible prophecy from which God is calling sincere catholics out: "Come out from her, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues".

 

[Mink57]

The PRINCIPLE is found throughout the Bible, an example of which I've shown you in my post.

Your example was this: "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are UNPROFITABLE servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." - Jesus

...which has nothing to do with "faith ALONE."

He didn't NEED to! Do you not realize the foundation of paganism is "something I do makes me acceptable to God" while the foundation for Christianity is "something GOD HAS DONE makes me acceptable to God"???

WE don't get to decide what makes us acceptable in God's eyes.

I repeat: any fool knows gain is acquired either by COMPENSATION OR DONATION. If salvation is not given as compensation, it's donation.

You know what the Bible says about calling people "fools"...right?

Good gravy, you catholics spot a fence post that appears out of line, and conclude the other 999 need to be dug up and shifted rather than simply focusing on the one.

Actually, it's *you* who is doing this. I can point out a number of verses that support James regarding works. But you can't provide me anything Biblical that supports your "principle" of "faith ALONE."

Both Paul and James teach we're justified by works - what do they mean? Do they mean to say works are the means to OBTAIN justification or are they the EVIDENCE for justification?

They're the EVIDENCE we've been justified just as courtroom evidence justifies an accused innocent man. Our good works are the EVIDENCE we've been justified by grace through faith ALONE because the carnal mind can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).

Maybe you should put down PC news outlets and tune into real news, where "anti-semitism" victimhood is a powerless shield of protection from the truth. Rabbis make it their BOAST that God grants them such immunity.

Do I really give a hoot what some of those Rabbis think? Let them think what they want. And it's their time to 'go', they might be very surprised to discover that it's their own arrogance that kept them out of Heaven.

You remind me of my former anti-2A democrat neighbor who said he had a "well rounded" sampling of news because "I listen to both CNN and BBC". I almost died laughing.

I'm laughing now, because I never even suggested that I'm "well-rounded." The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
Would you say the same thing about yourself?

Luther is accused of hating Jews because he dealt harshly with them for their absolute murderous hate for Christ. Doesn't mean he hated them...it means he correctly understood them to be every bit as much a threat to the cause of Christ then as they are today.

From my understanding, most Jews couldn't care less about Christ, even in ancient times.

The ancient Jews welcomed Christ on Palm Sunday and completely abandoned Christ by the following Friday. Barely a handful remained faithful. I'm not sure who told you that lie.

It's not a lie. Why do you think that Paul became the Apostle to the Gentiles? Because most of the Jews couldn't care less about Christ! It's not that most Jews wanted Christ dead. They just didn't care.

If I truly had distaste for catholics, I'd say nothing and simply reserve a chair and a big bag of popcorn on the boardwalk of Fire Lake and watch you papists go up in flames.

MY DISTASTE IS FOR ERROR, NOT THOSE WHO ARE SEDUCED BY IT.

Many sincere catholics have fallen asleep in Jesus, following all the light they'd been given. However, those who staunchly defend the papacy after the light of Protestant truth has come are treading on dangerous ground.

There's a difference between blindly defending the RCC and defending the truth about it...just like there's a difference between blindly accusing the RCC and speaking the truth about it.

For example, some seem to believe that ALL Catholic Churches are run the exact same way...which is false.
You mentioned upthread:

The stark contrast between the uplifting hymns and spiritual songs of praise vs. the dreary, gloomy chanting heard echoing in the halls of papal churches. Luther sure knew what he was doing.

Have you ever been to a Catholic Hispanic Mass? The music is more uplifting. Or how about a Maronite Mass? A Latin Mass would be more solemn, whereas a Mass spoken in Tagalog would be more of a celebration.

They're all different. And yet, they're all in FULL COMMUNION with the Vatican.

There was an old-time priest at my church who had a strong devotion to Mary. He would often say the Hail Mary during Mass...which is not part of the order of the Mass. The Holy See has formally discouraged the recitation of additional prayers during Mass, but alas...

 

[Mink57]

And, do you not understand the catholic church can't possibly be Christ's end time church of today?

Christ's "remnant" aka "end times" church will be identical to the church He established and keep the same commandments, according to Revelation 12:17 KJV and Revelation 14:12 KJV.

Catholicism by her own words disqualifies herself as that church, seeing she makes it her boast that she's changed Christ's laws and demands catholics adhere to the laws of the church, not the laws of Christ.

This is pretty much the only part of your post I want to address. As to the "laws of the church", what "laws" are you talking about?

There's no other way around this truth: the papacy (the union of catholicism and the secular authorities) is not Christ's church - it's the antichrist system of Bible prophecy from which God is calling sincere catholics out: "Come out from her, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins and receive not of her plagues".

 

[Robert Pate]

This is pretty much the only part of your post I want to address. As to the "laws of the church", what "laws" are you talking about?

The only religion that has more laws and rules than Catholicism is Islam. If you don't keep the laws and rules of the Catholic church, you will be anathema.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The only religion that has more laws and rules than Catholicism is Islam. If you don't keep the laws and rules of the Catholic church, you will be anathema.

And, the catholic church believes that it's not possible to be saved... unless you are part of the catholic cult.

 

[Mink57]

And, the catholic church believes that it's not possible to be saved... unless you are part of the catholic cult. View attachment 38013

Not. Even. Close. I'm Catholic...and yet I believe that non-Catholics...even ATHEISTS can be saved.

Put THAT in yer pipe and SMOKE it...

The only religion that has more laws and rules than Catholicism is Islam. If you don't keep the laws and rules of the Catholic church, you will be anathema.

Like I asked earlier, what "laws" and "rules" are you talking about?

 

[Robert Pate]

Not. Even. Close. I'm Catholic...and yet I believe that non-Catholics...even ATHEISTS can be saved.

Put THAT in yer pipe and SMOKE it...

Like I asked earlier, what "laws" and "rules" are you talking about?

You believe that Christ rejecting atheist will be saved? You don't know much about the righteousness of God.

All organized religions have many laws and rules.

 

[Phoneman777]

Your example was this: "So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are UNPROFITABLE servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." - Jesus

...which has nothing to do with "faith ALONE."

Good gravy, even a fool knows gain is obtained either by compensation or donation. If salvation is not obtained by compensation, the only other option is "donation" - which requires no effort on our part, only lone faith to believe and accept it! If a fool knows this, then why can't you see it?

WE don't get to decide what makes us acceptable in God's eyes.

I don't need you to tel me that. Conversely, you need me to tell YOU that Scripture says our faith in Christ's shed blood alone - not what lying papists told you - is what makes us acceptable to God.

You know what the Bible says about calling people "fools"...right?

Exactly when did I call anyone a "fool"? Either get control of your emotions or see your way out the door, please. This forum is for adults.

Actually, it's *you* who is doing this. I can point out a number of verses that support James regarding works. But you can't provide me anything Biblical that supports your "principle" of "faith ALONE."

Wrong, what you do is point to misinterpreted verses to support "no faith alone".

What Paul and James mean when they say we're "justified by works" is that a just man's works are the outward evidence of the inward justification he's already received from God the moment he places his implicit faith in Christ's blood alone for salvation - in the same way courtroom evidence justifies an innocent man on trial because only the Just can keep God's commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) while the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).

Do I really give a hoot what some of those Rabbis think? Let them think what they want. And it's their time to 'go', they might be very surprised to discover that it's their own arrogance that kept them out of Heaven.

You asked what evidence is there of the prerogative of the Jew to honor only promises to fellow Jews - I answered the question.

I'm laughing now, because I never even suggested that I'm "well-rounded." The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

I never said YOU were well rounded - I said you remind me of my ex-neighbor who claimed to have a well rounded view about things while unaware of ignorant he was.

Would you say the same thing about yourself?

I know enough to know the Bible doesn't teach explicitly or implicitly that our good works must be placed on Salvation's scale alongside Christ's shed blood in order to tip it in our favor.

From my understanding, most Jews couldn't care less about Christ, even in ancient times.

Not only did they care nothing for Him, they called for His murder.

It's not a lie. Why do you think that Paul became the Apostle to the Gentiles? Because most of the Jews couldn't care less about Christ! It's not that most Jews wanted Christ dead. They just didn't care.

Because it was prophesied in Daniel 9 that after the 70 Weeks ended in 34 A.D. (490 years from 457 B.C.) the Jews and Jerusalem would be destroyed and scattered to the four winds, and Jesus Himself said over and over that the Great Commission would be taken from them and handed over to non-Jews who "keep the commandments of God and have the faith and the testimony of Jesus".

There's a difference between blindly defending the RCC and defending the truth about it...just like there's a difference between blindly accusing the RCC and speaking the truth about it.

The indefensible cannot be defended. When it comes to being saved by either grace through faith or works - and Scripture explicitly says it ain't works - then any fool can see it's only by grace through faith alone.

For example, some seem to believe that ALL Catholic Churches are run the exact same way...which is false.
You mentioned upthread:
Have you ever been to a Catholic Hispanic Mass? The music is more uplifting. Or how about a Maronite Mass? A Latin Mass would be more solemn, whereas a Mass spoken in Tagalog would be more of a celebration.

They're all different. And yet, they're all in FULL COMMUNION with the Vatican.

There was an old-time priest at my church who had a strong devotion to Mary. He would often say the Hail Mary during Mass...which is not part of the order of the Mass. The Holy See has formally discouraged the recitation of additional prayers during Mass, but alas...

Lies of varying degree and nature are still lies! No where are we told to pray to anyone but the Father. No where are we told to seek any other intercessor but Jesus. Yet, Mother Teresa infamously declared, "No Mary, no Jesus" in support of that supersonic "immaculate conception" lie. Mary was as much in need of a Savior as are we, and referred to God as "my savior" in Luke. Savior from what? SIN!!!

 

[Mink57]

You believe that Christ rejecting atheist will be saved?

I believe some can be saved.

You don't know much about the righteousness of God.

All organized religions have many laws and rules.

And YOU don't know much about the MERCY of God.

Dare I say, but there are some atheists who are better Christians than some Christians.

 

[Mink57]

Good gravy, even a fool knows gain is obtained either by compensation or donation. If salvation is not obtained by compensation, the only other option is "donation" - which requires no effort on our part, only lone faith to believe and accept it! If a fool knows this, then why can't you see it?

Because I'm not a fool...

I don't need you to tel me that. Conversely, you need me to tell YOU that Scripture says our faith in Christ's shed blood alone - not what lying papists told you - is what makes us acceptable to God.

Sorry, but I see it differently, and not because any "papist" told me. My nose spends more time buried in the Bible than it does in church.

Exactly when did I call anyone a "fool"? Either get control of your emotions or see your way out the door, please. This forum is for adults.

Yes, it IS for adults. So your 'holier-than-thou' snarky condescending name-calling, grade school attitude isn't appreciated.

Wrong, what you do is point to misinterpreted verses to support "no faith alone".

What Paul and James mean when they say we're "justified by works" is that a just man's works are the outward evidence of the inward justification he's already received from God the moment he places his implicit faith in Christ's blood alone for salvation - in the same way courtroom evidence justifies an innocent man on trial because only the Just can keep God's commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) while the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).

No one can keep ALL of God's commandments.

You asked what evidence is there of the prerogative of the Jew to honor only promises to fellow Jews - I answered the question.

Sure...

I never said YOU were well rounded - I said you remind me of my ex-neighbor who claimed to have a well rounded view about things while unaware of ignorant he was.

More underhanded insults...

I know enough to know the Bible doesn't teach explicitly or implicitly that our good works must be placed on Salvation's scale alongside Christ's shed blood in order to tip it in our favor.

Our works are IMPORTANT. They may not be on the same scale as Christ's shed blood, but they're not SO FAR down the line, that they're a distant second...especially if we will be judged by our works!

Not only did they care nothing for Him, they called for His murder.

SOME did. Not ALL.

Because it was prophesied in Daniel 9 that after the 70 Weeks ended in 34 A.D. (490 years from 457 B.C.) the Jews and Jerusalem would be destroyed and scattered to the four winds, and Jesus Himself said over and over that the Great Commission would be taken from them and handed over to non-Jews who "keep the commandments of God and have the faith and the testimony of Jesus".

Wow. Something we actually agree on!

The indefensible cannot be defended. When it comes to being saved by either grace through faith or works - and Scripture explicitly says it ain't works - then any fool can see it's only by grace through faith alone.

That's *your* interpretation. We don't see it faith ALONE or works ALONE. We believe that the two go hand in hand.

Lies of varying degree and nature are still lies! No where are we told to pray to anyone but the Father. No where are we told to seek any other intercessor but Jesus.

Wrong. We can intercede for one another.

Yet, Mother Teresa infamously declared, "No Mary, no Jesus" in support of that supersonic "immaculate conception" lie.

That's NOT why Mother Teresa said that.

Mary was as much in need of a Savior as are we, and referred to God as "my savior" in Luke. Savior from what? SIN!!!

A savior can save in two ways: Either he can save you from whatever peril you're already in, OR, he can 'save' you by preventing you from entering the peril in the first place.

 

[Robert Pate]

I believe some can be saved.

And YOU don't know much about the MERCY of God.

Dare I say, but there are some atheists who are better Christians than some Christians.

The atheist that think they are better than Christians are trusting in themselves and their works. The mercy of God does not cover unbelief.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Maybe papists require booze to soothe the mental anguish and spiritual poverty and misery that are the wages of papal service, but we Protestants know the ALL SUFFICIENCY OF GOD to preserve and and deliver us from His enemies, be they papal or pagan.

As, as I have shown you - Jesus also ate food and drank booze (Matthew 11:18,19).
He just wasn't a glutton or a drunkard

I've already shown you that Solomon recommends booze to the lost who are in spiritual poverty, anguish, misery, and perishing without Christ.

And I have clearly shown you that the Holy Spirit doesn’t condemn drinking that doesn’t lead to drunkenness (Psalm 10:14-15, 1Tim. 5:23).

Do you not understand that "wine" means "grape juice" as well as booze?

When well water comprises almost 100% of what you drink, the seasonal gift of sweet refreshing grape juice is able to gladden even the heart of even pitiful papists.

I know you’d rather adhere to the insane rants of your goddess, E.G. White – but the Word of God and science prove that the “wine” spoken of in Scripture contained ALCOHOL.

And as I also educated you – grape juice doesn’t remain grape juice for days at a time in a desert region like Israel. It wasn‘t until 1925 when the Welch’s Juice company invented the process of stopping the fermentation process in grape juice.
Unrefrigerated grape juice begins to ferment the minute it is squeezed.

Do your homework, Einstein . .

 

[Mink57]

The atheist that think they are better than Christians are trusting in themselves and their works.

And there are Christians who believe they are better than other Christians, trusting their 'faith ALONE', who behave deplorably.

I said there are SOME atheists who act more Christian than SOME Christians.

Who would you rather be in Heaven with? An arrogant so-called, self-professed "Christian", or a humble, altruistic person who was an atheist?

The mercy of God does not cover unbelief.

Sure it does. Otherwise, there would be no converts.

Do you REALLY believe that once someone says, "I don't believe" that God condemns them for all eternity? They can't change their mind?

Don't know what god YOU'RE praying to, but that ain't *MY* God...

 

[Phoneman777]

Because I'm not a fool...

Of course, you are not. Therefore, you should be able to understand "there is ONE mediator between God and man, the MAN CHRIST JESUS"...not the pope, not what you all call "saints", not a priest, bishop, or cardinal. NO ONE BUT CHRIST...GOT IT?

Sorry, but I see it differently, and not because any "papist" told me. My nose spends more time buried in the Bible than it does in church.

You read no such thing in Scripture.

Yes, it IS for adults. So your 'holier-than-thou' snarky condescending name-calling, grade school attitude isn't appreciated.

Adults maintain both emotions and reading comprehension - emotional unstable children embellish the facts. I never said you were a "fool".

No one can keep ALL of God's commandments.

"I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me". - God.

Obedience is and always has been a matter of will, not skill.

Alongside every sinful temptation, God presents the will (desire) to obey - the instant the choice to obey is made, sufficient divine power is imparted empowering us to withstand the temptation until the devil finally gives up and flees. Instead of relying on "purgatory-reducing merit for impossible obedience" try trusting in Jesus for total pardon for past sin and power to resist temptation - this is what it means to be an "overcomer in Christ".

More underhanded insults...

I demonstrate absurdity by being absurd - a very effective means to reach those who are blind to reason.

Our works are IMPORTANT. They may not be on the same scale as Christ's shed blood, but they're not SO FAR down the line, that they're a distant second...especially if we will be judged by our works!

The most offensive thing to God is suggesting salvation requires anything in addition to Calvary.

Q: How many corrections officer belt buckles and shoes must a death row inmate shine before the guards allow him to go free?

A: An infinite number is not enough - it's solely based on the governor's grace. Likewise, the blood of Christ alone sets us free from the death sentence which hangs over every one of us. Grace through faith alone - not belt buckles and shoes.

That's *your* interpretation. We don't see it faith ALONE or works ALONE. We believe that the two go hand in hand.

When you understand that a death row inmate relies solely on the governor's pardon to escape the death sentence, then you'll begin to understand something about the grace of God toward condemned sinners.

Wrong. We can intercede for one another.

Yes, but it is God's prerogative to bless or withhold blessing, pardon or not to pardon - any earthly sinful mortal who calls himself "priest" that takes to himself that prerogative is a Biblical "anti-christ" - one that "takes the place" of "Christ" - and is why the Reformers correctly identified the papacy as the anti-christ of Bible prophecy.

That's NOT why Mother Teresa said that.

Absolutely did.

She, like all good catholics, believed in the "Immaculate Conception" which falsely teaches "Mary" was born preserved from all stain of original sin. Which means that Jesus - having both an immaculate Father and an "immaculate" mother - was born of "different flesh" than the rest of humanity - which means we can't approach the presence of Jesus directly and must rely on the intercession of Mary (and the rest of the saints).

This forms the basis of the dunghill "Doctrine of Intercession" in catholicism, and it is by this false teaching that we see antichrist indeed denies that Jesus has "come in the flesh" - the same flesh as the rest of us.

A savior can save in two ways: Either he can save you from whatever peril you're already in, OR, he can 'save' you by preventing you from entering the peril in the first place.

Salvation pertains to deliverance from the Second Death - everything else that happens to us in inconsequential. The most devout Christians to ever live met grisly deaths at the hands of papal inquisitors = Scripture talks about them in Hebrews 11:36-40 KJV.