What is "OSAS"?

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hello Reggie,

Thanks for your input. I agree with you that Christ is the Church. BUT I disagree with you that all members of that church are "The Church".

Scripture says that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). How can each individual 2+ billion Christians be the pillar and foundation of truth when we all have our own 'truths'?

Also, Scripture says that when our brother sins against us we are to take our differences to them. If they don't listen to me or the 2 witnesses I brought with me we are to take our differences to the Church. If they don't listen to the church they are to be kicked out of the church. That passage (Matthew 18:17) doesn't say that I or the 2 witnesses are the church and that WE can kick them out of The Church. That passage clearly indicates that there is a governing body that decides who can be in The Church and who can't based on what they wrongly believe. How does your theory that all Christians are The Church fit in with Matthew 18:17?

Thank you in advance.........Mary

By the Church ? i mean the body of Christ Jesus is the Church in fact ?
But in regards as people claiming to be or are of a Church, No ! I never meant that.
You are correct.

 

[Taken]

You're beginning to sound like a broken record, and clanging cymbal! If you want to continue to rely on mankind for understanding of Scripture that's your prerogative. I've come to assume you have never learned how to study the Word of God, and are therefore dependent upon others to lead. The Bible calls that being a child in understanding, and never growing to mature faith and doctrine.

She does not get it.

Hear….verify in Scripture what you Hear is true or not.

Read….study…Lean NOT on your own Understanding. Ask God for “HIS” Understanding…

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Hey Reggie,

You asked 'remember Band Aid' and where the money went. Yes, I do remember Band Aid but I didn't know there was a scandel involving the money so I did some research.

At one time the BBC alleged that the money went to buy weapons for rebels. They then retracted that accusation saying it was based on false information. Is that what you are alluding to?

Mary

Yes i am.
At the time before hand regarding the money, the question was asked months in advance, i remember being in a Pub of business men who were questioning the ends of such regards !
So plenty of people were on the ball in regards to how this money would in regards take ? but as to the Media and out Governments position to that regards was to all shut up ! and do not dare to bring such questions up ! because such was insulting to them ?
The MSM would not put forward such questions, but just disregard such totally !
Then how many years went by and the truth came out on a 4 corners program.
Old Bob G was a moronic drug addict ! everyone who supported him and gave money to such a blight is going to Hell for that in fact, if they do not truly repent and make sure that such nonsense never happens again.
As we in Australia say, It's a bloody outrage !

So is the Ukraine War all founded on deceptions lead by Satanist MSM and Governments, were do you see a Christian position coming from Ukraine's Zelensky or President Biden, it's all escalate escalate escalate ! that is coming from them total morons who have no regard for the people at all in fact !

Then we have the MSM supporting Terrorist attacks on the State of Israel !
The MSM are all about undermining the Government of Israel, because it's not a Left wing Communist Party. but the MSM do not inform the people that !

Socialism is what leads to Communism for all such is of Satan, for such undermines Christ Jesus in fact and who could stand up and say that Socialism looks up to Christ Jesus, No one ! That the ends of Socialist is Christ Jesus, Never !

One has to read between the lines of such as the people of the Main Stream Media, They are so full of lies ! an out right Criminal organisation and as Jesus said of this world, that it is Full of deceptions and delusions.
The MSM is just like Nazi Germany Media was in fact ! just Full of it ! Totally one sided and nothing splashes back on the Socialist Party machine Morons like Obama and Biden get away with everything just like Hitler did in fact ! everything underhanded is hidden like a Taylor made suit is made to hide ones flaws !

I seen the Laws regarding the Media change over the years and bit by bit the MSM worked it's way to erode such power, as a system was in place to stop the Media from ever becoming like Nazi Germany was in fact. So that the power of such Media was only in the hands of a few ? Huge money people running the show totally and idiots like that can be bought easy or controlled. Not to mention that the Government feeds such with $ millions a year ! so they fall into line to such a cash cow !

Things are not always as the MSM claim in fact !
Look at all of the support to the dregs that the Media peddle, prostitution, property damage, race relations underhandedly played with full on, it's an outrage !
The MSM has to be exposed for being a Whore that it has become. It's become a tool for Satanist working to undermine the people and Nation in fact, for nothing but creeps !

 

[Marymog]

You're beginning to sound like a broken record, and clanging cymbal! If you want to continue to rely on mankind for understanding of Scripture that's your prerogative. I've come to assume you have never learned how to study the Word of God, and are therefore dependent upon others to lead. The Bible calls that being a child in understanding, and never growing to mature faith and doctrine.

A broken record keeps repeating the same thing over and over again RWB. So yes, I am a broken record. I keep repeating the truth over and over again. When one repeats the truth over and over again those words are not empty words (clanging cymbal).

The truth is that your theory (interpretation) of Scripture that the Holy Spirit is guiding YOU into the TRUTH is fascinating to me.

You assume that I "have never learned how to study the Word of God" but you are the one who doesn't even realize that John 14:26 doesn't even apply to YOU. Some man taught you that it does, but it doesn't. Jesus was talking to his Apostles before they went out to preach to and convert others. That message was meant specifically for them. If your interpretation of that passage were true, then that means that the Holy Ghost is doing the same for me and all other Christians. ALL 2 billion of us are being taught by the Holy Spirit. But of course, only YOU are right and the rest of us are wrong.....

You should read 1 John 2:27 AGAIN......It has nothing to do with YOU. It says YOU in it but John is speaking to a specific person and that person is not YOU.

Back to bible study RWB.....You need to find a reliable teacher instead of trying to do it yourself (2 Peter 3:16).

Keeping it real....Mary

PS: What passage of the bible says that being a child in understanding, and never growing to mature faith and doctrine.

 

[Ritajanice]

A broken record keeps repeating the same thing over and over again RWB. So yes, I am a broken record. I keep repeating the truth over and over again. When one repeats the truth over and over again those words are not empty words (clanging cymbal).

The truth is that your theory (interpretation) of Scripture that the Holy Spirit is guiding YOU into the TRUTH is fascinating to me.

Why is it fascinating to you, if you are Born Again?

You assume that I "have never learned how to study the Word of God" but you are the one who doesn't even realize that John 14:26 doesn't even apply to YOU. Some man taught you that it does, but it doesn't. Jesus was talking to his Apostles before they went out to preach to and convert others. That message was meant specifically for them. If your interpretation of that passage were true, then that means that the Holy Ghost is doing the same for me and all other Christians. ALL 2 billion of us are being taught by the Holy Spirit. But of course, only YOU are right and the rest of us are wrong.....

You should read 1 John 2:27 AGAIN......It has nothing to do with YOU. It says YOU in it but John is speaking to a specific person and that person is not YOU.

Back to bible study RWB.....You need to find a reliable teacher instead of trying to do it yourself (2 Peter 3:16).

Keeping it real....Mary

PS: What passage of the bible says that being a child in understanding, and never growing to mature faith and doctrine.

What did Jesus mean, when he said to Nicodemus, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

John 3:1-21​

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English Standard Version​

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You Must Be Born Again​

3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again has eternal salvation....because they have been Born of God.....they have received that amazing, Living , Baptism in the Spirit.....

The Spirit of God , lives in the spirit of his Born Again Child.

Without the Spirit...you are none of his..as his word says.

God is in control and is drawing those to Jesus....no one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them....how exciting is that...

 

[L.A.M.B.]

John 14:26
1 John 2:27
2 Peter 3:16

All these apply to the believer who is following God's doctrine & not man's!

1John2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, ...

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

Rightly dividing in context in personal study does not mean we get to negate parts of scriptures we do not think apply to NT believers.( Or that we do not like bc they do not back up our's or men's theologies)
We are exempt only from the law by grace and the sacrifice of Christ for our salvation.

 

[Marymog]

She does not get it.

Hear….verify in Scripture what you Hear is true or not.

Read….study…Lean NOT on your own Understanding. Ask God for “HIS” Understanding…

Dear Dear taken,

Do you really not see how self-serving and ridiculous your post is?

This is what you are saying: Marymog disagrees with MY interpretation of Scripture therefore Marymog is wrong because Marymog did not verify in Scripture what she heard but I did!! Marymog did not read, study properly. Marymog leaned into her own understanding of Scripture. I Taken did not do that. I asked God for HIS understanding therefore I am right and Marymog is wrong.

When @rwb disagrees with your interpretation of Scripture here is your new self-serving narrative: RWB disagrees with MY interpretation of Scripture therefore RWB is wrong because RWB did not verify in Scripture what he heard but I did!! RWB did not read, study properly. RWB leaned into his own understanding of Scripture. I Taken did not do that. I asked God for HIS understanding therefore I am right and RWB is wrong.

And RWB will respond to you by saying you are wrong Taken. I have help through prayer and Christ's Spirit in me but YOU Taken do not. John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27 apply to ME but not you Taken.

And then @PinSeeker joins the conversation and he tells all of us we are wrong.

You 3 amigos crack me up. All three of you think you are right when it comes to understanding Scripture because you have this feeling in your tummy that you are being guided by the Holy Spirit......but none of you agree with each other. Soooooooo is the Holy Spirit confused? Or are the 3 of you confused?

Keeping it real......Mary

 

[Marymog]

But praise God, I have help through prayer and Christ's Spirit in me. When I err in understanding I find these to be my most valuable assets.

John 14:26 (KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 (KJV) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

He was talking about me in those 2 passages.....not you.

Nice try.........

 

[Marymog]

Right, concerning you're being wrong in your "logical conclusion" to what I had said; hence, no reason to even ask such a question. Again, good grief.

Grace and peace to you, Curious ~ I mean, Patient ~ I mean, Mary. :)

Ok Pinseeker....You say I am wrong in my logical conclusion but have yet to explain WHY I am wrong, and WHY you said that.

You keep telling me I am wrong but have yet to explain WHY I am wrong or give evidence why I am wrong. I have given evidence why I think you said that......you have yet to refute that evidence. You just keep telling me I am wrong.....GOOD GRIEF indeed!!

 

[Marymog]

Why is it fascinating to you, if you are Born Again?

Ummmm.....I am not sure what baptism has to do with this but, OK

 

[Ritajanice]

Ummmm.....I am not sure what baptism has to do with this but, OK

No answer then,ok.

 

[Taken]

Do you really not see how self-serving and ridiculous your post is?

This is what you are saying: Marymog disagrees with MY interpretation of Scripture therefore Marymog is wrong because Marymog did not verify in Scripture what she heard but I did!! Marymog did not read, study properly. Marymog leaned into her own understanding of Scripture. I Taken did not do that. I asked God for HIS understanding therefore I am right and Marymog is wrong.
Keeping it real......Mary

Mary, IF I had said ALL of those things…word for word you could have quoted me instead of gaslighting, pretending an adversary is qualified to SPEAK FOR their adversary.

The ONLY thing in all of your words that correctly repeats WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID…is I ask God for His understanding.
And BTW, I will ADD, I TRUST what God reveals to me….
And care NONE if that is okay with you.

WHO do YOU ask FOR Gods Understanding OF His OWN words…….

Anyone or Everyone EXCEPT GOD??

 

[Ritajanice]

Mary, IF I had said ALL of those things…word for word you could have quoted me instead of gaslighting, pretending an adversary is qualified to SPEAK FOR their adversary.

The ONLY thing in all of your words that correctly repeats WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID…is I ask God for His understanding.
And BTW, I will ADD, I TRUST what God reveals to me….
And care NONE if that is okay with you.

WHO do YOU ask FOR Gods Understanding OF His OWN words…….

Anyone or Everyone EXCEPT GOD??

Of course we ask God for his understanding......I have no understanding in my own strength....the same as I have no knowledge of his living word....without the Holy Spirit leading and guiding us through “ HIS” word....not “ OUR” word.

 

[Marymog]

What did Jesus mean, when he said to Nicodemus, you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God?

John 3:1-21​

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He meant that one must be baptized with water to see the kingdom of God!

 

[Ritajanice]

When @rwb disagrees with your interpretation of Scripture here is your new self-serving narrative: RWB disagrees with MY interpretation of Scripture therefore RWB is wrong because RWB did not verify in Scripture what he heard but I did!! RWB did not read, study properly. RWB leaned into his own understanding of Scripture. I Taken did not do that. I asked God for HIS understanding therefore I am right and RWB is wrong.

Not sure if you know this rwb, is Born Again...therefore the Holy Spirit leads him through scripture.....he doesn’t lead himself.

The Holy Spirit speaks through him...a Born Again recognises the voice of God Through another Born Again....as in rwb....I recognise the Spirit talking through him....God uses rwb, to speak his truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

He meant that one must be baptized with water to see the kingdom of God!

Really...only water?

Show me in scripture, where God says.....you only need to be baptised in water, to see the Kingdom of God?

 

[Taken]

You 3 amigos crack me up. All three of you think you are right when it comes to understanding Scripture because you have this feeling in your tummy that you are being guided by the Holy Spirit......but none of you agree with each other. Soooooooo is the Holy Spirit confused? Or are the 3 of you confused?

Keeping it real......Mary

No one has solicited or requires your juvenile assessment.

Anyone with an ounce of functional gray matter should know, NOT every individual reads, studies, solicits God, on the same topic, in the same depth, for the same length of time, nor have at the same fullness of truth.

Learning is bit by bit, and increased per individuals efforts. It doesn’t CHANGE the truth, it expands the truth.

Not a big secret, People on this forum, if any, personally know others on this forum. To pretend you, an adversary, are qualified to assess others relationships who participate on this forum, is laughable on it’s face.
“Especially after you SPEAK FOR OTHERS, which is called LYING, then pretend YOUR WORDS are worthy to make your laughable assessments.

When are you going to LEARN to speak FOR yourself only and stop speaking FOR others?

Quoting: @Marymog post #308
“Marymog is wrong”

That was suspect…but I’ll agree with you on that point.

 

[rwb]

A broken record keeps repeating the same thing over and over again RWB. So yes, I am a broken record. I keep repeating the truth over and over again. When one repeats the truth over and over again those words are not empty words (clanging cymbal).

The truth is that your theory (interpretation) of Scripture that the Holy Spirit is guiding YOU into the TRUTH is fascinating to me.

You assume that I "have never learned how to study the Word of God" but you are the one who doesn't even realize that John 14:26 doesn't even apply to YOU. Some man taught you that it does, but it doesn't. Jesus was talking to his Apostles before they went out to preach to and convert others. That message was meant specifically for them. If your interpretation of that passage were true, then that means that the Holy Ghost is doing the same for me and all other Christians. ALL 2 billion of us are being taught by the Holy Spirit. But of course, only YOU are right and the rest of us are wrong.....

You should read 1 John 2:27 AGAIN......It has nothing to do with YOU. It says YOU in it but John is speaking to a specific person and that person is not YOU.

Back to bible study RWB.....You need to find a reliable teacher instead of trying to do it yourself (2 Peter 3:16).

Keeping it real....Mary

PS: What passage of the bible says that being a child in understanding, and never growing to mature faith and doctrine.

Once again you prove you defend a doctrine that you have learned from man. I find it laughable that you have the audacity to accuse others of the very thing you are guilty of. Clearly, if you knew how to study the Word of God in the power of the Holy Spirit you would understand the same Holy Spirit that convicted and taught the Apostles also applies to every believer coming after them.

1 John 2:1 (KJV) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 2:7 (KJV) Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

1 John 2:12-13 (KJV) I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1 John 2:20-27 (KJV) But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

You are partly right in one thing, John was writing specifically, not to ONE man, but to "little children" and "fathers" who profess to having overcome the wicked one by grace through faith the moment they heard the Gospel and believed in Christ for eternal life.

Dear Mary, if you are truly born again of the Spirit of Christ in you, when will you learn that God has given us His Spirit to guide us and teach us all things that pertain to Him, that we, through His Spirit in us will endure to end? Your dependence upon others to teach you has led you to stray far away from biblical truths. Have you ears to hear what the Spirit says Mary? You should if you belong to the eternal spiritual body of Christ, called Church!

Revelation 3:6 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[rwb]

He was talking about me in those 2 passages.....not you.

Nice try.........

Doesn't appear that way to me Mary!