A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

[Taken]

You keep repeating the same LIES over and over again.

YIPES, ya think Scripture is lies…
Thanks or clarifying.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good grief, Are you really that ignorant that you do NOT know when Jesus interprets Scripture….even after being given an example?
Don’t you EVER read Scripture and LEARN from JESUS?

Does your Bible sit idle on shelf collecting dust when Jesus revealed mysteries not before known?

Some are such pathetic small men.

LOL…typical…
Pick up a Bible, read for yourself.
And then IGNORE Jesus is Speaking TO YOU….and EVERY man….because…He ONLY (according to you) Is speaking to ME….

How shallow and pathetic.

And here you seem to be implying again that Jesus teaches you how to interpret the Bible.

I’ve asked you on several occasions where you get your Biblical interpretations.
So far, you’ve said that JESUS does – then back-peddled away from that or otherwise danced around the issue.

So, ONE more time:
From where/whom do you get your interpretations?
WHO interprets the Scriptures for you? Jesus only interprets a FEW verse in Scripture.

Finally – from where/whom are the rest of us supposed to glean our interpretations of Scripture?

 

[Taken]

Prayer is TO the Father.

Saints (saved) Pray FOR Living Saints.
Asking an other LIVING person to pray FOR you is not Praying TO the other.
Do not pray to dead People.
Dead People DO NOT go to Heaven.
A living person trying to communicate with a Dead persons spirit, is deemed sorcery, witchcraft and denounced by God.

sheeh, don’t you read Scripture?
This is BASIC elementary Scriptural knowledge.



Of course Abraham’s soul did not comply with an unsaved souls request.



1 Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Matt 6:
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[7] But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
[8] Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
[11] Give us this day our daily bread.
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
[13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

 

[Taken]

And here you seem to be implying again that Jesus teaches you how to interpret the Bible.

I’ve asked you on several occasions where you get your Biblical interpretations.
So far, you’ve said that JESUS does – then back-peddled away from that or otherwise danced around the issue.

So, ONE more time:
From where/whom do you get your interpretations?
WHO interprets the Scriptures for you? Jesus only interprets a FEW verse in Scripture.

Finally – from where/whom are the rest of us supposed to glean our interpretations of Scripture?

Good grief…get a Q-tip.
There ARE interpretations given in Scripture.

Jesus said Lazarus was asleep…
Those with Jesus didn’t understand.
Jesus interpreted what Jesus meant by Lazarus asleep……interpretation…
Lazarus is Dead.

Understanding of Gods word is given a man by God.

Close one mouth open two ears.
Pay attention.

 

[Marymog]

Good grief…get a Q-tip.
There ARE interpretations given in Scripture.



Close one mouth open two ears.
Pay attention.

condescending...

 

[Taken]

condescending...

8-)

About 5 hours ago you said you were “moving on”…
Did you lie? Because you have made multiple posts to me since saying your were “moving on”.

 

[Marymog]

:cool:

About 5 hours ago you said you were “moving on”…
Did you lie? Because you have made multiple posts to me since saying your were “moving on”.

I have moved on from your lies. I am now pointing out how un-Christian like you are.

Exodus 20:16 and condescending

 

[Taken]

I have moved on from your lies. I am now pointing out how un-Christian like you are.

Exodus 20:16 and condescending

That’s rich….calling people liars while whining about their response.

 

[Illuminator]

That’s rich….calling people liars while whining about their response.

There is not the slightest hint of condemnation or opposition to the notion of praying to Abraham. You have no response, just excuses claiming the rich man "is not saved", another ridiculous conclusion.
The rich man is in the Limbo of the Fathers, or Hades, as it says in Luke 16:23.
He had compassion for his brothers; there is no compassion in hell. No you are arguing that people in hell can pray to Abraham. What a joke.

 

[Taken]

There is not the slightest hint of condemnation or opposition to the notion of praying to Abraham. You have no response, just excuses claiming the rich man "is not saved", another ridiculous conclusion.
The rich man is in the Limbo of the Fathers, or Hades, as it says in Luke 16:23.
He had compassion for his brothers; there is no compassion in hell. No you are arguing that people in hell can pray to Abraham. What a joke.

WOW…


The more you talk the more you reveal your lack of common and spiritual understanding.

 

[Illuminator]

Prayer is TO the Father.

Saints (saved) Pray FOR Living Saints.
Asking an other LIVING person to pray FOR you is not Praying TO the other.
Do not pray to dead People.
Dead People DO NOT go to Heaven.
A living person trying to communicate with a Dead persons spirit, is deemed sorcery, witchcraft and denounced by God.

sheeh, don’t you read Scripture?
This is BASIC elementary Scriptural knowledge.

So Jesus is teaching sorcery?

Of course Abraham’s soul did not comply with an unsaved souls request.

How does that prove Abraham didn't hear the prayers of the rich man?

1 Tim 2:
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

That has always been Catholic teaching, not a slogan.
1 Tim 2:1-2 – because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), Taken is forced to deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul’s teaching about Jesus as the “one mediator,” Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?

1 Tim 2:3 – because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator.

1 Tim. 2:5 – therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).

1 Cor. 3:9 – God invites us to participate in Christ’s work because we are God’s “fellow workers” and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe “fellow workers” is “sunergoi,” which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.

James 5:16; Proverbs 15:8, 29 – the prayers of the righteous (the saints) have powerful effects. This is why we ask for their prayers. How much more powerful are the saints’ prayers in heaven, in whom righteousness has been perfected.

1 Tim 2:5-6 – therefore, it is because Jesus Christ is the one mediator before God that we can be subordinate mediators. Jesus is the reason. The Catholic position thus gives Jesus the most glory. He does it all but loves us so much He desires our participation.

You think all you need to do is believe.

Matt 6:
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[7] But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
[8] Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
[11] Give us this day our daily bread.
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
[13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

What's vain is your repetitave false accusations, and your slippery non-replies.
BYW, your quoting from a Catholic book. It's too bad there were no copyright laws in the 4th century.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The truth always matters, apparently not to you, which is sad considering your claim to be a Christian.

You don't get out much do you?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good grief…get a Q-tip.
There ARE interpretations given in Scripture.

Jesus said Lazarus was asleep…
Those with Jesus didn’t understand.
Jesus interpreted what Jesus meant by Lazarus asleep……interpretation…
Lazarus is Dead.

Understanding of Gods word is given a man by God.

Close one mouth open two ears.
Pay attention.

I knew you wouldn’t give me a straight answer because you’re a coward.

In case you're having trouble reading - I prefaced my question with the acknowledgement that Jesus only interprets a FEW verses of Scripture.
How dop you interpret the REST of Scripture – the BULK of it?
Are you saying that every individual receives interpretation personally from God?

 

[Taken]

I knew you wouldn’t give me a straight answer because you’re a coward.

In case you're having trouble reading - I prefaced my question with the acknowledgement that Jesus only interprets a FEW verses of Scripture.
How dop you interpret the REST of Scripture – the BULK of it?
Are you saying that every individual receives interpretation personally from God?

Let me one last time tell you in the most basic language even a little child could understand.

Jesus reveals KNOWLEDGE that had been kept Secret.

For Some the KNOWLEDGE is not UNDERSTOOD.

Jesus sometimes interprets what he says, within Scripture.

Jesus reveals UNDERSTANDING of the Mysteries of His KNOWLEDGE to His saints.

His saints ARE those who ARE Sanctifi-ED:
(Sanctifi-ED = Set apart unto the Lord God)
(Set apart, forgiven of having HAD disbelief)
(Set apart, soul SAV-ED)
(Set apart, spirit QUICKEN-ED)
(Set apart, Have Gods Spirit ‘IN’ them)
(Set apart, Not appointed to Wrath.)
(Set apart, Justified to be bodily risen IN a glorious sinless body)
(Set apart, Sealed with Gods Seal)
(See apart, Able to be Redeemed ONLY by the Lord God, IN His chose Day of Redemption.
FOR-EVER from the Day they WERE MADE SET APART, THEY are Forever WITH the Lord God and He WITH THEM.

IF a man WANTS Gods Understanding of Gods WORD/knowledge…
THAT UNDERSTANDING IS exclusively Given FROM the Lord God “TO” His saints.

IF you are NOT “SANCTIFI-ED”, (present tense).
You ARE NOT privy to Gods Understanding OF His Word/knowledge.

IF you HAVE NOT followed Gods WAY, to Receive, Sanctification,
You ARE NOT sanctifi-ED.

If you made a FALSE declaration to Become Sanctifi-ED.
You ARE NOT sanctifi-ED.
(And a great punishment SHALL be given you on Judgement Day).

For you to repeatedly ask, who interprets, who interprets, who interprets….
IS elementary and basics that little children should have been taught, ESPECIALLY if they have FOR YEARS attended a church.

Either scripture itself interprets….and ONLY the Lord God gives the understanding….and ONLY to his saints

Reading Scripture, Knowing how look up Scriptures THAT DO NOT APPLY to a sanctified man, and attempting to USE that inapplicable scripture as a WEAPON against another: is NOT a WAY Scripture teaches.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

For Some the KNOWLEDGE is not UNDERSTOOD.

But that's not because God arranged it to be that way for those people... unless one follows the false doctrines of John Calvin as they falsely believe God doesn't want everyone to be saved and actually believe God created some people for no other reason buy to burn in hell

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God HAS revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Taken]

But that's not because God arranged it to be that way for those people... unless one follows the false doctrines of John Calvin as they falsely believe God doesn't want everyone to be saved and actually believe God created some people for no other reason buy to burn in hell

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God HAS revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

God created and made manKind for His pleasure.
God wanted/wants a FAMILY…that chooses to BE His FAMILY…thus, Freewill of every individual.
For that God IS Holy so also must His FAMILY be holy.

Bottom line, not every individual is amicable for themselves wanting to be a member of Gods FAMILY.

The day will come for final divisions and separations.
Some forever with God, Some destroyed and forgotten.

Col 1:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Eph 2:
[19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Illuminator]

Let me one last time tell you in the most basic language even a little child could understand.

Jesus reveals KNOWLEDGE that had been kept Secret.

For Some the KNOWLEDGE is not UNDERSTOOD.

Jesus sometimes interprets what he says, within Scripture.

Jesus reveals UNDERSTANDING of the Mysteries of His KNOWLEDGE to His saints.

His saints ARE those who ARE Sanctifi-ED:
(Sanctifi-ED = Set apart unto the Lord God)
(Set apart, forgiven of having HAD disbelief)
(Set apart, soul SAV-ED)
(Set apart, spirit QUICKEN-ED)
(Set apart, Have Gods Spirit ‘IN’ them)
(Set apart, Not appointed to Wrath.)
(Set apart, Justified to be bodily risen IN a glorious sinless body)
(Set apart, Sealed with Gods Seal)
(See apart, Able to be Redeemed ONLY by the Lord God, IN His chose Day of Redemption.
FOR-EVER from the Day they WERE MADE SET APART, THEY are Forever WITH the Lord God and He WITH THEM.

IF a man WANTS Gods Understanding of Gods WORD/knowledge…
THAT UNDERSTANDING IS exclusively Given FROM the Lord God “TO” His saints.

IF you are NOT “SANCTIFI-ED”, (present tense).
You ARE NOT privy to Gods Understanding OF His Word/knowledge.

IF you HAVE NOT followed Gods WAY, to Receive, Sanctification,
You ARE NOT sanctifi-ED.

If you made a FALSE declaration to Become Sanctifi-ED.
You ARE NOT sanctifi-ED.
(And a great punishment SHALL be given you on Judgement Day).

For you to repeatedly ask, who interprets, who interprets, who interprets….
IS elementary and basics that little children should have been taught, ESPECIALLY if they have FOR YEARS attended a church.

Either scripture itself interprets….and ONLY the Lord God gives the understanding….and ONLY to his saints

Reading Scripture, Knowing how look up Scriptures THAT DO NOT APPLY to a sanctified man, and attempting to USE that inapplicable scripture as a WEAPON against another: is NOT a WAY Scripture teaches.

One of the most glaring problems with Taken is on the authority of the Bible: how do we know which Books are sacred Scripture? How can a Christian possibly know which Books belong in the Christian Holy Book without learning this from the Christian Church? Calvin was the first to try and resolve this difficult question. He was wrong, and so is Taken. So is Matt Slick.

Is Scripture Self-Attesting? – Shameless Popery

Church Authority & The Canon (vs. Calvin #59) Church Authority & The Canon (vs. Calvin #59)

This is an installment of a series of replies (see the Introduction and Master List) to much of Book IV (Of the Holy Catholic Church) — and some portions "Dialogue" with early Protestant leader John Calvin ("Institutes of the Christian Religion") on the relationship of Church authority to the...

www.patheos.com

 

[Taken]

One of the most glaring problems with Taken is on the authority of the Bible: how do we know which Books are sacred Scripture? How can a Christian possibly know which Books belong in the Christian Holy Book without learning this from the Christian Church? Calvin was the first to try and resolve this difficult question. He was wrong, and so is Taken. So is Matt Slick.

Is Scripture Self-Attesting? – Shameless Popery

Church Authority & The Canon (vs. Calvin #59) Church Authority & The Canon (vs. Calvin #59)

This is an installment of a series of replies (see the Introduction and Master List) to much of Book IV (Of the Holy Catholic Church) — and some portions "Dialogue" with early Protestant leader John Calvin ("Institutes of the Christian Religion") on the relationship of Church authority to the...

www.patheos.com

“One of the most glaring problems with Illuminator is on the authority of the Bible: how do we know which Books are sacred Scripture? How can a Christian possibly know which Books belong in the Christian Holy Book without learning this from the Christian Church? Calvin was the first to try and resolve this difficult question. He was wrong, and so is Illuminator.”

 

[Taken]

Interesting...you repeatedly insult Catholics with the statue worship canard, defy all explanations (not everyone ignores my links the way you do) and then claim you don't sin. False accusations is sinful and you think you're doing God a favor. When you are proven dead wrong, you hide behind a "gaslighting" sign because you are too proud to be corrected. Me thinks you drank too much of Matt Slick's Kool-Aid.

I have expressly said…
Bowing down to statues.

Thanks for verifying:
When @Illuminator bows down to a statue he is worshiping.

I have expressly said…
I don’t know Calvin…and will add, I’ve never read his words.

Thanks for verifying:
@Illuinator appears to be a well read student of Calvin.

Ok, whoop, whoop, for Illuminator.
No interest to me WHO Illuminator reads about.

Matt Slick? I don’t know him. But apparently he has some soft-drinks Illuminator promotes, but cautions to not drink too much.
No interest to me WHAT Illuminator promotes.

Seriously @Illuminator,
Your fixation on some guy named Calvin (I do not know) is of zero interest to me.

Your interest in drinking little portions of a soft-drink is of zero interest to me.

 

[Illuminator]

“One of the most glaring problems with Illuminator is on the authority of the Bible: how do we know which Books are sacred Scripture? How can a Christian possibly know which Books belong in the Christian Holy Book without learning this from the Christian Church? Calvin was the first to try and resolve this difficult question. He was wrong, and so is Illuminator.”

Another meaningless non-reply.