Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Marymog]

Catholics take the sacraments so that they can become like Jesus. There is nothing in the Bible that promotes this idea. Christians take the sacraments because it points to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me".

Hey Robert,

Who taught you that "Catholics take the sacraments so that they can become like Jesus"? Whomever taught you that, they lied to you. Unless you have evidence to back up what you claim because there is nothing in Catholic teaching that supports your lie.

You are right. At The Last Supper Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me". That is why Christians, for 2,000 years, have participated in the communion of bread/wine! We also agree with Him when he said at The Last Supper that it IS his body/blood. Do you agree with Him?

About 20 years after the Last Supper in a letter to the Christians at the church of Corinth Paul asked them a question; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What is your answer to those 2 questions Robert Pate? It sounds like your answer is, "No Paul, it is not a communion in the body and blood of Christ".

Well Robert, Paul would then say to you ", whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Keeping it real with Scripture instead of opinions....Mary

 

[Mink57]

Hey Robert,

Who taught you that "Catholics take the sacraments so that they can become like Jesus"? Whomever taught you that, they lied to you. Unless you have evidence to back up what you claim because there is nothing in Catholic teaching that supports your lie.

You are right. At The Last Supper Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me". That is why Christians, for 2,000 years, have participated in the communion of bread/wine! We also agree with Him when he said at The Last Supper that it IS his body/blood. Do you agree with Him?

About 20 years after the Last Supper in a letter to the Christians at the church of Corinth Paul asked them a question; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What is your answer to those 2 questions Robert Pate? It sounds like your answer is, "No Paul, it is not a communion in the body and blood of Christ".

Well Robert, Paul would then say to you ", whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Keeping it real with Scripture instead of opinions....Mary

The thing is, when Jesus gave his "Bread of Life" discourse in John 6:22-71, many couldn't wrap their head around what Jesus was saying.
John 6:66 says, "As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him." They didn't understand that Jesus wasn't talking about cannibalism.

A Catholic's belief that the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist isn't about cannibalism; it's about spirit.

Those who believe otherwise are no different than the disciples who left him because of their lack of understanding. They lack the wisdom behind Jesus' words.

 

[Robert Pate]

Hey Robert,

Who taught you that "Catholics take the sacraments so that they can become like Jesus"? Whomever taught you that, they lied to you. Unless you have evidence to back up what you claim because there is nothing in Catholic teaching that supports your lie.

You are right. At The Last Supper Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me". That is why Christians, for 2,000 years, have participated in the communion of bread/wine! We also agree with Him when he said at The Last Supper that it IS his body/blood. Do you agree with Him?

About 20 years after the Last Supper in a letter to the Christians at the church of Corinth Paul asked them a question; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What is your answer to those 2 questions Robert Pate? It sounds like your answer is, "No Paul, it is not a communion in the body and blood of Christ".

Well Robert, Paul would then say to you ", whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Keeping it real with Scripture instead of opinions....Mary

Christians take the sacrament to transfer divine grace. Divine grace is the virtues of Jesus Christ. So, like I said, Catholics take the sacraments to become holy like Jesus.

 

[Marymog]

Christians take the sacrament to transfer divine grace. Divine grace is the virtues of Jesus Christ. So, like I said, Catholics take the sacraments to become holy like Jesus.

Got it. You don't have any evidence to back up what you said.

Jesus said, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day. He didn't say we would become "holy" like Him. That is your opinion.

Thank you for your opinion.........Mary

 

[Marymog]

Christians take the sacrament to transfer divine grace. Divine grace is the virtues of Jesus Christ. So, like I said, Catholics take the sacraments to become holy like Jesus.

You partially quoted me and failed to answer the questions in my post:

At The Last Supper Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me". That is why Christians, for 2,000 years, have participated in the communion of bread/wine! We also agree with Him when he said at The Last Supper that it IS his body/blood. Do you agree with Him?

About 20 years after the Last Supper in a letter to the Christians at the church of Corinth Paul asked them a question; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What is your answer to those 2 questions Robert Pate?

Patient Mary

 

[Robert Pate]

You partially quoted me and failed to answer the questions in my post:

At The Last Supper Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me". That is why Christians, for 2,000 years, have participated in the communion of bread/wine! We also agree with Him when he said at The Last Supper that it IS his body/blood. Do you agree with Him?

About 20 years after the Last Supper in a letter to the Christians at the church of Corinth Paul asked them a question; The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
What is your answer to those 2 questions Robert Pate?

Patient Mary

The Corinthian church was a troublesome church. They were always doing things for the wrong reason. Paul was always straitening them out. All that are Christians are partakers of the body and the blood of Christ. The sacraments are a symbol of that. We do that in remembrance of what Jesus did to save us. But it is not going to make you holy.

 

[Marymog]

The Corinthian church was a troublesome church. They were always doing things for the wrong reason. Paul was always straitening them out. All that are Christians are partakers of the body and the blood of Christ. The sacraments are a symbol of that. We do that in remembrance of what Jesus did to save us. But it is not going to make you holy.

Hello Robert,

Neither Paul nor Jesus say it's a symbol. Paul said, I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body that is for[g] you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For all who eat and drink[h] without discerning the body,[i] eat and drink judgment against themselves.

You say it's a symbol. Where is the word symbol in there?

 

[Robert Pate]

Hello Robert,

Neither Paul nor Jesus say it's a symbol. Paul said, I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body that is for[g] you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For all who eat and drink[h] without discerning the body,[i] eat and drink judgment against themselves.

You say it's a symbol. Where is the word symbol in there?

We take the sacraments to remind us of what Jesus did to save us. This is only for Christians. "Do this in remembrance of me".

 

[Marymog]

We take the sacraments to remind us of what Jesus did to save us. This is only for Christians. "Do this in remembrance of me".

At what point did I disagree with that? I haven't.......

This discussion is about your false allegation that Catholics believe that by taking the sacraments it makes us holy.

This discussion is about your refusal to answer Paul's questions: The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Are taking of the sacraments in remembrance of Him a participation in the body/blood of Christ or not?

Patient Mary

 

[Phoneman777]

And a person who drinks a glass of wine is no more a "drunkard" than a person eating a hamburger is a "glutton".

Study your Bible - JESUS drank alcohol . . .
Matt. 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

So, we're to believe the word of Jesus' adversaries - the same people who PAID other to lie about Jesus - but no one should believe the word of your pope's adversaries?

There isn't a single instance in Scripture where Jesus drank wine with people.

 

[Phoneman777]

Ummmm, I hate to be the one to break this to you - nut the process for STOPPING the natural fermentation process in grape juice was invented by the Welch's Juice Company in 1920.
That's almost 2000 years AFTEER the Wedding at Cana.

The fermentation process begins when the skin of the grape is broken. You cannot store gallons of grape juice in clay jars for dats at a time - especially in a desert community like Cana.

Jesus MADE alcohol.
Jesus DRANK alcohol.

Game.
Set.
MATCH

He made no such thing.
He drank no such thing.

The same Jesus Who told Solomon to tell you and me "wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging" would never come to Earth incarnate and violate His own word

 

[Mink57]

He made no such thing.
He drank no such thing.

The same Jesus Who told Solomon to tell you and me "wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging" would never come to Earth incarnate and violate His own word

You mean, the same Jesus who ALSO told Solomon, "then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine"?

And the Solomon who said, "She has prepared her meat and mixed her wine; she has also set her table."?

And, "“Come, eat my food and drink the wine I have mixed."

You mean THAT Solomon?

If Jesus was SO AGAINST drinking wine, why did he convert water in wine at the wedding at Cana? And...please don't say it was 'grape juice'. 1 Timothy 5:23 says, "Have a little wine for the sake of your stomach..."

Drinking wine doesn't 'violate' Jesus' word. Getting habitually drunk violates his word.

 

[Robert Pate]

At what point did I disagree with that? I haven't.......

This discussion is about your false allegation that Catholics believe that by taking the sacraments it makes us holy.

This discussion is about your refusal to answer Paul's questions: The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Are taking of the sacraments in remembrance of Him a participation in the body/blood of Christ or not?

Patient Mary

Spiritually yes. Physically no. We had nothing to do with the Gospel. It took place over 2,000 years ago. You cannot participate in a past historical event. It appears to me that you want to crucify Jesus over and over again.

 

[Marymog]

Spiritually yes. Physically no. We had nothing to do with the Gospel. It took place over 2,000 years ago. You cannot participate in a past historical event. It appears to me that you want to crucify Jesus over and over again.

Dear Robert,

I don't understand your statement that we had nothing to do with the Gospel. That makes no sense. If we are doing something in remembrance of Him, we are participating in the Gospel. When we do what he told us to do (feed the poor, help the sick, do not steal, baptize, do this in remembrance of me) we are participating in the Gospel. We are to be like 1st century Christians who were sitting at the feet of Jesus when he preached all these things....your statement makes ZERO SENSE.

It appears Paul wants "to crucify Jesus over and over again" when he rhetorically asked, The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ? I don't understand your theory that participating in communion (like He TOLD us to do, and 1st century Christians did) is crucifying Jesus over and over again....but that's your theory to figure out.

You have yet to tell me YOUR answer to Paul's question!

Patient Mary

 

[Mink57]

Dear Robert,

I don't understand your statement that we had nothing to do with the Gospel. That makes no sense. If we are doing something in remembrance of Him, we are participating in the Gospel. When we do what he told us to do (feed the poor, help the sick, do not steal, baptize, do this in remembrance of me) we are participating in the Gospel. We are to be like 1st century Christians who were sitting at the feet of Jesus when he preached all these things....your statement makes ZERO SENSE.

It appears Paul wants "to crucify Jesus over and over again" when he rhetorically asked, The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ? I don't understand your theory that participating in communion (like He TOLD us to do, and 1st century Christians did) is crucifying Jesus over and over again....but that's your theory to figure out.

You have yet to tell me YOUR answer to Paul's question!

Patient Mary

And what I bolded/colored is it. You're right Mary. It doesn't make any logical sense. I mean, one may as well say that the APOSTLES "crucified" Jesus because they participated in the Last Supper. And we know the Apostles didn't crucify Jesus.

We also know that after Jesus' Asencion into Heaven, that the Apostles carried out Jesus' instructions to 'do this in memory of me', by gathering in each other's homes to 'break bread', etc: "Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes*. They ate their meals with exultation and sincerity of heart, praising God and enjoying favor with all the people..." Acts 2:46-47. (emphasis added (*= They couldn't 'break bread' in the temple area yet, since at that time, they were being sought out by people such as Saul (a.k.a. Paul), who would have surely killed them).

The 'celebration' of the Eucharist (to me, and I'm sure some others) is just that; a celebration. It isn't so much about Christ's crucifixion, but his Resurrection.

And his Resurrection IS a reason to celebrate.

 

[Marymog]

And what I bolded/colored is it. You're right Mary. It doesn't make any logical sense. I mean, one may as well say that the APOSTLES "crucified" Jesus because they participated in the Last Supper. And we know the Apostles didn't crucify Jesus.

We also know that after Jesus' Asencion into Heaven, that the Apostles carried out Jesus' instructions to 'do this in memory of me', by gathering in each other's homes to 'break bread', etc: "Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes*. They ate their meals with exultation and sincerity of heart, praising God and enjoying favor with all the people..." Acts 2:46-47. (emphasis added (*= They couldn't 'break bread' in the temple area yet, since at that time, they were being sought out by people such as Saul (a.k.a. Paul), who would have surely killed them.

The 'celebration' of the Eucharist (to me, and I'm sure some others) is just that; a celebration. It isn't so much about Christ's crucifixion, but his Resurrection.

And his Resurrection IS a reason to celebrate.

Thanks Mink,

You make a good point that @Robert Pate needs to address so that we can better understand his theory. Did The Apostles crucify Jesus by participating in The Last Supper? Did the 1st century Christians, that walked and talked with the Apostles, crucify Jesus over and over again 'every day' by obeying his command; 'Do this in remembrance of me'.

Looking forward to Robert Pate's clarification on his theory....Marymog

 

[BreadOfLife]

He made no such thing.
He drank no such thing.

The same Jesus Who told Solomon to tell you and me "wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging" would never come to Earth incarnate and violate His own word

Jesus absolutely drank wine (Matt. 11:19) - and He MADE it, too (John 2:7-10).
The fact that He condemned drunkenness does NOT negate these facts - anymore than the sin of gluttony forbids us to eat FOOD.

Learn how to rightly divide Scripture . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So, we're to believe the word of Jesus' adversaries - the same people who PAID other to lie about Jesus - but no one should believe the word of your pope's adversaries?

There isn't a single instance in Scripture where Jesus drank wine with people.

Ummmm, those people also accused Jesus of eating food.
Were they "LYING"?

NOWHERE does Jesus deny eating or drinking.
In fact, He ADMITS it:
Matt. 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

Was Jesus a friend of tax collectors and sinners - or were they "LYING" again??

 

[Robert Pate]

Dear Robert,

I don't understand your statement that we had nothing to do with the Gospel. That makes no sense. If we are doing something in remembrance of Him, we are participating in the Gospel. When we do what he told us to do (feed the poor, help the sick, do not steal, baptize, do this in remembrance of me) we are participating in the Gospel. We are to be like 1st century Christians who were sitting at the feet of Jesus when he preached all these things....your statement makes ZERO SENSE.

It appears Paul wants "to crucify Jesus over and over again" when he rhetorically asked, The cup of blessing which we bless: is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break: is it not the communion of the body of Christ? I don't understand your theory that participating in communion (like He TOLD us to do, and 1st century Christians did) is crucifying Jesus over and over again....but that's your theory to figure out.

You have yet to tell me YOUR answer to Paul's question!

Patient Mary

All that come to Christ as repentant sinners and call on him to save them will receive the Holy Spirit. Salvation is a dependency upon Jesus Christ to save them. I don't think that you are trusting in Christ to save you, which means that you don't have the Holy Spirit. You believe that it is all about you and your Catholic religion. Your works, your obedience, you, you, you. More than likely you will be in the Lord, Lord didn't we group, Matthew 7:21-23.

 

[Mink57]

All that come to Christ as repentant sinners and call on him to save them will receive the Holy Spirit. Salvation is a dependency upon Jesus Christ to save them. I don't think that you are trusting in Christ to save you, which means that you don't have the Holy Spirit. You believe that it is all about you and your Catholic religion. Your works, your obedience, you, you, you. More than likely you will be in the Lord, Lord didn't we group, Matthew 7:21-23.

Because of all of your repetitive junk, I'm starting to think you're a 'bot.

Mary has asked you a bunch of questions...as do others...that you refuse to answer. You seem to be promoting the "Gospel According To Robert Pate." Your anti-Catholicism or *ahem*...anti-"religion" is obvious. Yet, *your* definition of "religion" seems to differ from others.

Christ referred to his teachings as "commands", a.k.a. laws.

So, what gives, Robert? Is God the God of order? 1 Corinthians 14:33 Or...

...anarchy? You seem to want to dismiss ALL 'law'...including Christ's 'laws'.