Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[Jack]

This concept did not attain the status of a universal explanation for evil until years after a man was born on the planet who was called Augustine. It's indeed historically true that what has constituted the most frequent explanation in the church and in western culture for why people suffer is due to the fact that a man was born on the planet called Augustine. And so this concept of God being in control of both good and evil is why we often consider a secret "divine blueprint" behind everything that is both good and evil being somehow an extension of God's good (but very mysterious) will. This is the biggest reason why we have trouble accepting the truth concerning the good and evil of the world we experience. A murder is more real to us than devils because the churches do not teach that the world we live in is involved in a state of war that is spiritual.

The origin of evil among the cosmic powers is much like the origin of evil among human beings. And this is why the Jews saw no need to investigate the matter further (even if such an investigation were possible). The Jews knew only that both cosmic powers and humans were free to choose to obey or to disobey and that it was not God's fault if either of them disobeyed. Those who lived at the time of the first century (when the New Testament Scriptures were first starting to be spoken) had always thought of the problem of evil in the context of spiritual warfare. They understood the world was caught up in a cosmic battle and thus is saturated with horrifying suffering and evil. No one prior to Augustine, suspected that above this freely generated warfare there existed an even more fundamental explanation whereby an all-good and all-determination blueprint existed in the mind and will of God.

I think the Bible gives us all the info we need to know. It's the Word of God.

 

[Wrangler]

Why does Dad get crazier with each post?

Because facts, logic and moral principles are not on his side.

So, rather than accept defeat, his only options is to escalate his rhetoric, I.e., get crazier with every post.

 

[Peterlag]

I think the Bible gives us all the info we need to know. It's the Word of God.

So if there is no verse in the Scriptures stating God is “omniscient” meaning He knows the past, the present, and the future. Then why do so many Christians believe God is omniscient?

The answer is: Ancient Greek Mythology and Philosophy.

 

[dad]

No! Decimated’s root word is decimal. It means reduced by a tenth. If the lose 10%, they have been decimated.

Loosing 2/3 is much worse than decimated.

OK, so bad times are ahead for Israel

 

[dad]

Because facts, logic and moral principles are not on his side.

So, rather than accept defeat, his only options is to escalate his rhetoric, I.e., get crazier with every post.

Name one fact on your side? The actual fact is that thousands of civilians have been and continue to be victims of Israeli bombs.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Notice how Dad omitted the children of Israel! VERY Hamas like!

Gaza alone has his allegiance.

 

[Wrangler]

Name one fact on your side?

Hamas started the recent violence.

 

[dad]

Hamas started the recent violence.

They were terrorists. That does not mean Israel needs to be a terrorist as well does it? Bombing highly populated areas as Putin said "cannot be justified by anything"

 

[Jack]

So if there is no verse in the Scriptures stating God is “omniscient” meaning He knows the past, the present, and the future. Then why do so many Christians believe God is omniscient?

The answer is: Ancient Greek Mythology and Philosophy.

Of course He's omniscient. How else could He judge us on Judgment Day? There are many instances in the Bible of God being omniscient even if it doesn't say 'omniscient'.

 

[Wrangler]

They were terrorists. That does not mean Israel needs to be a terrorist as well does it?

Name one fact on my side, you asked.

I reject the claim reacting to terrorism is an act of terrorism. You attempt at moral equivalence is rejected.

Watched a news report today about 3 extra-ordinary measures the IDF takes to prevent innocent civilian deaths.

1. Call everyone individually if target area is an apartment building to get out within 2 hours.
2. Drops thousands of pamphlets stating to evacuate in 2 hours as the area has been targeted by IDF.
3. Drop small shaker bombs that shake but do not destroy the target building to encourage innocent civilians to evacuate immediately.

No military has ever given away the tactical element of surprise to save civilians as Israel has. Again, your claims of moral equivalence does not hold up to scrutiny.

 

[Peterlag]

Of course He's omniscient. How else could He judge us on Judgment Day? There are many instances in the Bible of God being omniscient even if it doesn't say 'omniscient'.

He probably only knows what He plans to do. Not what is going to happen. A God totally in control can run a world of controlled beings. But what is magnificent about that? If everything in the universe is already set? Then the conversation God has with humans is more like that between a ventriloquist and the dummy. Such a dialogue is merely a sophisticated form of talking to oneself. If what God has foreseen is the entire human history at once, then the difficulty is to somehow allow for God's intervention into that history. This raises a serious problem. Does simple foreknowledge imply that God knows in advance His own decisions and actions? If God possesses foreknowledge of His own actions, then the problem is to explain how the foreknowledge can be the basis for the actions when it already includes the actions.

Would it then be impossible that God should use foreknowledge derived from the actual occurrence of future events to determine His own prior actions in the governance of the world? Such a God would then know what He is going to do before deciding what to do. Thus, He would be unable to plan, anticipate, or decide. He would simply know. This seems to call the divine freedom into question, making God a prisoner of His own ability to know what's going on everywhere in the universe at every moment. And if God sees history "all at once" and His actions were not foreseen, then God never foresees any prophets making predictions given by Him.

 

[dad]

Name one fact on my side, you asked.

I reject the claim reacting to terrorism is an act of terrorism. You attempt at moral equivalence is rejected.

That is not a fact but an opinion

Watched a news report today about 3 extra-ordinary measures the IDF takes to prevent innocent civilian deaths.

1. Call everyone individually if target area is an apartment building to get out within 2 hours.
2. Drops thousands of pamphlets stating to evacuate in 2 hours as the area has been targeted by IDF.
3. Drop small shaker bombs that shake but do not destroy the target building to encourage innocent civilians to evacuate immediately.

Let me guess and IDF sourced site?

No military has ever given away the tactical element of surprise to save civilians as Israel has. Again, your claims of moral equivalence does not hold up to scrutiny.

That is not an issue here. Bombing civilians by the apartment block is the issue. As Putin said that "cannot be justified by anything"

 

[Jack]

He probably only knows what He plans to do. Not what is going to happen. A God totally in control can run a world of controlled beings. But what is magnificent about that? If everything in the universe is already set? Then the conversation God has with humans is more like that between a ventriloquist and the dummy. Such a dialogue is merely a sophisticated form of talking to oneself. If what God has foreseen is the entire human history at once, then the difficulty is to somehow allow for God's intervention into that history. This raises a serious problem. Does simple foreknowledge imply that God knows in advance His own decisions and actions? If God possesses foreknowledge of His own actions, then the problem is to explain how the foreknowledge can be the basis for the actions when it already includes the actions.

Would it then be impossible that God should use foreknowledge derived from the actual occurrence of future events to determine His own prior actions in the governance of the world? Such a God would then know what He is going to do before deciding what to do. Thus, He would be unable to plan, anticipate, or decide. He would simply know. This seems to call the divine freedom into question, making God a prisoner of His own ability to know what's going on everywhere in the universe at every moment. And if God sees history "all at once" and His actions were not foreseen, then God never foresees any prophets making predictions given by Him.

If God doesn't know everything then we are DOOMED! But He certainly does.

John 21
17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You."

 

[Jack]

That is not a fact but an opinion

Let me guess and IDF sourced site?

That is not an issue here. Bombing civilians by the apartment block is the issue. As Putin said that "cannot be justified by anything"

So dad, tell us what Israel should have done when Hamas beheaded 40 Israeli babies. You're so full of anti Israel opinions, tell us.

 

[JohnDB]

https://x.com/GeorgeDeek/status/1719254024636268834?s=20

 

[Wrangler]

Let me guess and IDF sourced site?

Confirmed by 1st hand observations.

Here is a test of your claim of moral equivelance. Why don't world leaders fly to Gaza for photo ops with Hamas? Because they know they are barbarians and would not make it out alive!

 

[Wrangler]

Bombing civilians by the apartment block is the issue. As Putin said that "cannot be justified by anything"

Agh, appeal to that great moral leader and humanitarian, Putin.

If you are so opposed to IDF bombing apartment buildings, where is the pressure to get Hamas out of apartment buildings, schools, hospitals and religious buildings? Where are the Imams's demand that all Jihadi's leave such sanctuaries out of concern for Palestinian civilians? What a horrible propagandist, you are!

If only Hitler had hid in an apartment building, he would have been spared by the Red Army you think?

 

[bluedragon]

after all .....you titled them as a non believing state .....

You have judgment and condemning rights as well?

A lot of Christian Jews and Christians there .....

 

[Jack]

Agh, appeal to that great moral leader and humanitarian, Putin.

If you are so opposed to IDF bombing apartment buildings, where is the pressure to get Hamas out of apartment buildings, schools, hospitals and religious buildings? Where are the Imams's demand that all Jihadi's leave such sanctuaries out of concern for Palestinian civilians? What a horrible propagandist, you are!

If only Hitler had hid in an apartment building, he would have been spared by the Red Army you think?

Dad makes me wonder how many Hamas puppets are infesting forums, spewing HATRED for Israel.

 

[bluedragon]

Dad makes me wonder how many Hamas puppets are infesting forums, spewing HATRED for Israel.

Dad never read the book .......he doesn't know where Romans is .....