That is not the correct order of salvation. That is the Catholic order of salvation. The first way to salvation is to believe. Repentance follows believing and is not the cause of it. The thief on the cross believed and was saved. He didn't have a chance to repent. You are trusting in your works for your salvation.
Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer
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You have no stake in your salvation. Salvation is totally and completely outside of us. We had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with our salvation, except to believe and have faith in Jesus.
LOL! And just what IS God's "official canon"? The canon that Christians were reading/using/spoken of in churches for the first 1400+ years of Christianity? Or the canon that Martin Luther decided because it didn't fit HIS idea of Sola Scriptura and "faith alone'?
It's not about whether Jesus is "powerful and influential enough to control what went into his official canon." Those 7 books that Luther removed were read in churches for 1400+ years. And suddenly, because of ONE man, *POOF* -- they're gone. Was Luther acting because of Christ or in spite of Christ? Considering that several of those books have to do with wisdom for right living, I'd say in spite of Christ.
Frankly, I don't care about cathedrals, priests, holy water, candles, popes, crucifixes (incense is debatable because of what's written in Revelation), chanting or mass.
There also won't be adultery, murder, lovers of self, money, pride, arrogance, heartlessness, ingratitude, unforgiveness, lying, intolerance...and the list goes on.
Oh, AND, there won't be marriage or sex there, Robert. Perhaps a LOT of people won't like it there.
What does it mean to "believe" and "have faith" in Jesus? Doesn't it mean to not only HEAR his words, but to APPLY them to our own lives?
Shouldn't we be a doer of the Word, and not only a HEARER of the Word? If Jesus instructs us to 'do unto others', shouldn't we practice that?
Lying? No. I'm simply doing what YOU do, and that is, 'reporting' what I've 'heard' as truth...just like YOU did at the beginning of this thread.
OBVIOUSLY the first way to salvation is belief. I thought that was a 'given', and to repeat it would be redundant. Repentance may follow belief, but repentance seems to be ignored by many. Can't just throw our hands up in the air and say "I repent!"...and do NOTHING to demonstrate that repentance through our works!
Do I believe 'works' will get me into heaven?
Nope.
Do I believe that faith ALONE (that is, without works) will get me into heaven?
Again, NOPE.
The only thing that might get me into heaven is...
...Love. Love of God. Love of my fellow human.
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I thought they were supposed to be drinking His blood, not wine. If it were just wine, it proves it was a symbol, doesn't it?
Apparently, we're cannibals, too!
The verse has to do with wisdom, which y'all seem to lack...
Those thinking catholism is true... have not God's Wisdom for obvious reasons such as the Bible don't teach that stuff!
It doesn't make sense to me. . I don't know why they say that it is really Him in the Eucharist, when He didn't break off pieces of Himself initially. ..He taught them it commemorated His death,and He wasn't even dead yet. So how could it be flesh and blood?Not to mention all the times the Bible speaks of Him sacrificing himself ONCE, and in that church he is sacrificed over and over.
Love of God and love for your fellow man is not going to get you to heaven either.
You have been blinded by your Catholic religion. More than likely you will be in the "Lord, Lord, didn't I group" Matthew 7:21-23.
amigo de christo
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OH the LOVE OF GOD would have . please allow me to explain .
You see most who even preach the love of GOD and of man , LOVE NEITHER .
Oh they can lip it . Pleas allow me to explain .
IF FOLKS TRULY LOVED GOD they would have LOVED JESUS CHRIST .
JESUS SAYS THIS .
HAD YOU LOVED GOD YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED ME . SO , THERE IT IS .
RIGHT THERE . if any denies JESUS as the CHRIST , all the good deeds in the world wont save them
THEY ,as JESUS said , HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN THEM .
JESUS told that too the unbeleiving jews . HE said YOU HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU .
HE whom GOD DID SEND , THEY BELIEVED NOT .
I COME TO RIP IN SHREDS the false all inclusive love lie . TIME WE PREACH RATHER JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED
Reminding the TRUE believers about ALL things HE said and later the apostels taught .
SO you see , THEY DO claim the two commandments . ONLY THEY HAVE NO IDEA that they HAVE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD
nor for humanity . THE ECUMINCAL SEEKER FRIENDLY ALL INCLUSIVE LIE , SIN ACCEPTING and many path to GOD accepting
idea IS A LIE FROM HELL . WE MUST preach JESUS CHRIST and all Pure and holy biblical truth whereby the Church can grow .
amigo de christo
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Not only that but they teach many things which JESUS and the apostels SAID NOT TO DO .
so they teach CONTRADICTIONS TO THE TRUTH ITSELF . and therein lies the problem RIGHT THERE .
THAT IS HOW you gonna know its false . IF what is taught is CONTRARY TOO , CONTRARY TOO the sound doctrine delivered
to the church , THEN IT BE FALSE PEROID . FALSE . FALSE . A LIE . darkness and confusion .
Catholicism is a law-based religion. They believe that what they do (the law) is what is going to save them. Paul said, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4. The law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15. There cannot be a religion without laws, and rules. This is why Paul said, "The just (justified) shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. It is not possible for Catholics and others to live by faith without, works, laws and religion. They will be in the Lord, Lord, didn't we group, Matthew 7:21-23.
I read this recently:
"Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes" from Romans 10:4 is a central tenet of Christian theology found in the New Testament of the Bible.
To unpack the meaning:
- "Christ is the end of the law": This means that with the coming of Christ, the Mosaic Law (the laws given to Moses on Mount Sinai, which includes the Ten Commandments and many other ceremonial, civil, and moral regulations) has reached its intended culmination or completion. In other words, Christ's life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the requirements and prophecies of the Old Testament Law.
- "for righteousness": Righteousness refers to being in right standing or having a right relationship with God. Under the Old Testament Law, righteousness was pursued through adherence to the law. However, no one could perfectly keep the law, so sacrifices were prescribed as a means of atonement for sins.
- "to everyone who believes": This emphasizes that righteousness is not attained by works or adherence to laws but through faith in Jesus Christ. This is a foundational idea in Christian soteriology (the study of salvation) that salvation is a gift from God received by faith, not by works.
Right. Here is some further thought. Where there is no law, there is no sin, Romans 4:15. Where there is no law and no sin there is no need for a religion. Paul said that it was the law that caused him to sin, Romans 7:8-12.
I think Paul said I had not known sin but by the law--which is true. the 10 Commandments cover all sin.Christ lived a perfect life so we coudl be justified in the presence of the Lord. We are still not allowed to break any of those commands, and we shouldn't. After we are saved, we become a new creature and obey Jesus. We are told through the Spirit what is right and wrong.+
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Hey Cassandra,
No, it doesn't prove it was a symbol.
What is your answer to Paul's question in 1 Corinthians 10:16? Would you tell Paul "No, the cup we bless at the Lords Supper is not a communion in Christ's blood"! Paul would then say to you, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves. How can one sin against mere wine and drink judgment against themselves if it is mere wine Cassandra?
If you were at The Last Supper and when Jesus "took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to (you), saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament," would you question him and say, "Jesus, you meant the wine in the cup was a symbol, right?
I look forward to your answers..........Mary
Catholics take the sacraments so that they can become like Jesus. There is nothing in the Bible that promotes this idea. Christians take the sacraments because it points to the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus said, "Do this in remembrance of me".
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