A heretical teaching dismantled with the help of Paul the Evangelist.

[Taken]

6 Different Mary’s are mentioned in Scripture, and each Mary had a signifiant role they participated in or a signifiant relationship to a Prominate identified Person who was a Servant of Jesus’ Gospel.

1) Mary, Faithful Jew of Nazareth, Virgin, betrothed of Joseph, a carpenter of Nazareth, and of House of David.
She received via the Power of God; the Word. Of God in her virgin womb, Married Joseph, and birthed the babe, a son, (who bore the body that God had prepared, in the Likeness AS a man), in Bethlehem, Judah. Joseph called the babes NAME, JESUS, as he was told to name Him. And Mary was told, this babe, her firstborn, would be a son, and would be Called, the Son of God.
Joesph, husband of Mary, is revealed having Obeyed Gods direction…
No sexual relations with his Wife, until after the birth of her first born…and ofcourse the WHEN, was already established in Mosaic Law of how long to WAIT after the birth of a son, for a man to have sexual relations with his wife.
This Mary’s other sons, were not believers.
Two sons specific became believers AND one JAMES authored the Biblical Book called the Epistle/ Book of JAMES.
Another son Jude / Judas (called the brother of James ) authored the Biblical Book called the Epistle / Book of JUDE.

2 Mary Magdalene from Magdala, otherwise known as a close follower of Jesus. Also likely a financial supporter. First person to see Christ risen.

3 Mary from Bethany, sister of Lazarus and Martha. Faithful friends of Jesus. Likely Jesus often dined in their home.
Same Mary who anointed Jesus with expensive oil, before his death and burial.

4 Mary wife of Cleopas (aka Alphaeus); Mary and husband Alphaeus, both followers (disciples) of Jesus.
This Mary also described as the other Mary, when she was with; Mary, mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalena.
This Mary was mother of:
James the Younger…(Less) of Jesus’ appointed 12.
This Mary was mother of: said James, a son named Joses, a daughter Salome. (Likely other unnamed children).
This Mary was one of the people who brought spices to Jesus’ tomb.

5 Mary mother of John Mark. John Mark primarily known as one of Jesus’ appointed 12, primarily called Mark, (who authored the Book of Mark called the Gospel according to Mark)

6 Mary mentioned by Paul as She being a hard worker for the Gospel of Jesus, in a Roman church.

Each of the 6 different Mary’s mentioned having a spouse, have mention they have Children.
Not shocking, since FAITHFUL married women WOULD be obedient to their husbands and MULTIPLY Just as God directed to the very FIRST man and wife.

Each of the 6 different Mary’s mentioned in scripture, are revealed as Faithful to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Of the 6 different Mary’s does scripture EVER TEACH, any were naturally born without sin,
OR TO exalted them, TO prayed to them, TO call on their name, TO erect statues of them, TO bow down to statues of them.

Remember their role, their blessings ?
Sure.
Set them on the Right side of God?
Sure.
Pretend they SIT at the Right hand of God as Gods QUEEN, Gods MOTHER, Gods WIFE…
Yipes No!

 

[Sigma]

I believe the inspired Word of God is Truth, is spread throughout the Scriptures, inasmuch as men became spread throughout the Earth.
Being in my perspective the Scripture is Truth, is Just, and interprets, validates and verifies itself.

So, you didn't verify every testimony in any of the books that make up the Bible?

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL...Ok amigo. You and @David in NJ agree on everything in Scripture and you both know the Truth....

AND the harlot has infected most all of the protestant churches also Sooo which ones hasn't the harlot infected?

Obviously, YOU know the Truth because YOU know that The Catholic Church is wrong in its teaching along with "most all of the protestant realm".....If you KNOW what they are teaching is not the truth then you MUST KNOW what the truth is! RIGHT???

Please amigo....Enlighten all of us with your wisdom. @Taken and @Marvelloustime "like" what you wrote....Even though I am willing to bet the three of you wouldn't agree on salvation doctrine when it comes to right down to it....Now would you 3 amigos???

Keeping it real....Mary

The RCC has decieved you my friend. if i didnt love you why would i risk being banned for speaking out against that harlot .
And she is a harlot indeed .
You do realize mormons can say the say things you do . OH sit under US they say our leaders are DIVINELY INSPIRED THEY SAY
we question not their divine wisdom . THE JW does the same thing YOU DO .
You know what all of you and other religoins have in common . YALL ALL T RUST IN MEN .
TIME to open the bible FOR YOU and TRUST IN THAT GOD and THAT CHRIST .
As far as the healingthe wound satanic false unity , I had rather eat ten miles of coal and chase it with gas and a match
than to sit under THAT LIE . which i might add , ALL DENOMINATIONS are buying into it . from mormons
to all , to even the other religoins . ITS a sham and a shame that folks fell for it . BIBLE TIME my dear friend
or be decieved by men . YOUR CHOICE .

 

[Marymog]

i do not follow 'bishops' or such as you desire

i follow the WORD and His Apostles and Prophets, who by the Power of the Holy Spirit, wrote down the words of God by which i LIVE

Translation: I reject Christian history. I don't follow bishops because Hebrews 13:17 is meant for you and not me. Acts 20:28 is a lie.

I follow my interpretation of what the Apostles wrote. My interpretation is right and yours is wrong...that is unless you agree with me.... then you are right also.

 

[Marymog]

The RCC has decieved you my friend. if i didnt love you why would i risk being banned for speaking out against that harlot .
And she is a harlot indeed .
You do realize mormons can say the say things you do . OH sit under US they say our leaders are DIVINELY INSPIRED THEY SAY
we question not their divine wisdom . THE JW does the same thing YOU DO .
You know what all of you and other religoins have in common . YALL ALL T RUST IN MEN .
TIME to open the bible FOR YOU and TRUST IN THAT GOD and THAT CHRIST .
As far as the healingthe wound satanic false unity , I had rather eat ten miles of coal and chase it with gas and a match
than to sit under THAT LIE . which i might add , ALL DENOMINATIONS are buying into it . from mormons
to all , to even the other religoins . ITS a sham and a shame that folks fell for it . BIBLE TIME my dear friend
or be decieved by men . YOUR CHOICE .

My choice is to ignore you until you say something that makes sense. You regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over and none of it makes sense.

We have been thru this before amigo. I have opened my bible. I have read it. I trust in God. I have met all your criteria that is supposed to enlighten me and help me think like you think. If I don't think like you think then I am wrong. If I agree with everything you say you I am right. You regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over again. Read your bible. Trust in God. Everyone else is wrong and I am right blah blah blah blah.....but your words are hollow.

Can you answer me one question and be serious about it: How do you fulfill John 6:53-58?

OR

Can you at least answer my questions from my previous post instead of regurgitating non-sensical stuff????????

 

[amigo de christo]

Translation: I reject Christian history. I don't follow bishops because Hebrews 13:17 is meant for you and not me. Acts 20:28 is a lie.

I follow my interpretation of what the Apostles wrote. My interpretation is right and yours is wrong...that is unless you agree with me.... then you are right also.

YA follow the interpretation of ya popes , ya vatican and ya men of what THEY SAID the original scrips mean .
And that is why you are decieved just like the watch tower JW , just like the DIE hard calivin man
Just like the ...........fill in the blank . I SEE more denominations today than are grains of sand .
And the WHORE is leading them all to merge back into being ONE AGAIN under her
and she do this to the other religoins too . ANY GUESSES on WHO SHE BE . a hint
THE RCC . they all in it together my friend . they duping everything that sits under them now .
ITS ALL done under the guise of what THEY call love , what they call UNITY
This lamb wont heed a one of them . BIBLE TIME . or continue to be decieved , THE CHOICE IS YOURS .

 

[Taken]

LOL...Ok amigo. You and @David in NJ agree on everything in Scripture and you both know the Truth....

AND the harlot has infected most all of the protestant churches also Sooo which ones hasn't the harlot infected?

Obviously, YOU know the Truth because YOU know that The Catholic Church is wrong in its teaching along with "most all of the protestant realm".....If you KNOW what they are teaching is not the truth then you MUST KNOW what the truth is! RIGHT???

Please amigo....Enlighten all of us with your wisdom. @Taken and @Marvelloustime "like" what you wrote....Even though I am willing to bet the three of you wouldn't agree on salvation doctrine when it comes to right down to it....Now would you 3 amigos???

Keeping it real....Mary

Keeping it real (lol) Marymog…

Every individual has their own Beliefs, (some know why they believe what they do, some are content to simply be told what to believe by any person they subject themselves to that persons authority).

You have been very vocal of your own choosing to subject yourself to believing whatever persons the numerous counsels of Catholic hierarchy’s have concluded are the authorities, named the authorities and whom members of the Catholic Church should vow to unquestionability trust them.

Obviously NOT EVERYONE, yields to the decisions of the numerous Catholic counsels and their requests to yield to their Decisions.

I, nor are others, members of a Catholic Church, nor do we have an obligation to consider or unquestionably trust them.

You exercised your own freewill…so do others.

Funny you act shocked that people outside of the Catholic Church membership….
Have Agreements.

I suppose that is SHOCKING to you, since the Catholic Church members regularly spend their time discussing how ONLY Catholic Church members are in Agreement and all other religious organizations are all in disagreement. LOL.

FYI…not ALL Catholic Church members ARE in Agreement.

 

[Marymog]

Take a good look at the following @David in NJ and others:

Papias of Hierapolis [c. 60–130 AD] indicated "Apostle James of Alphaeus" and "James the bishop of Jerusalem" were the same person, as well as the brother [sibling] of Simon, Joseph, and Jude (Judas/Thaddeus), and that these four were the sons of Mary and Alphaeus (Cleophas/Clopas). (Fragments of Papias, Frag. 10)

Jerome of Stridon [c. 347–420 CE] indicated "James the bishop of Jerusalem," "James the brother of the Lord," "James the Less," and the "author of the Epistle of James," were the same person. He also said this James was the son of Jesus's mother's sister, Mary the wife of Alphaeus (Cleophas/Clopas, cf. Jn. 19:25), which coincides with Papias's testimony, and thus Jerome would've known he was Apostle James of Alphaeus as well. (De Viris Illustribus, De Perpetua Uirginitate Beatae Mariae)

Eusebius of Caesarea [c. 260–340 AD] indicated "James the bishop of Jerusalem," "James the brother of the Lord," "James the Just," and the "author of the Epistle of James," were the same person. He also said, "Apostle Paul makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, 'Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.'" (Historia Ecclesiastica, Bk. I, ch. 23, Bk. II, ch. 1)

Clement of Alexandria [c. 150–215 AD] indicated "James the bishop of Jerusalem" and "James the Just" were the same person. (Hypotyposes, Bk. VII)

Flavius Josephus [c. 37-100 CE] indicated "James the brother of the Lord" and "James the Just" were the same person. (Antiquitates Iudaicae, Bk. XX, ch. 9)

Hegesippus [c. 110-180 AD] indicated "James the brother of the Lord" and "James the Just" were the same person. (Hypomnemata)

The scriptural verses and crossover agreement between all my sources, even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, collectively show that James in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3;apostle James of Alphaeus; James the Less; James the Just; James the bishop of Jerusalem; James "the brother of the Lord;" and the author of the Epistle of James were the same person, and the son of Joseph's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary of Cleophas (Clopas/Alpaheus), and thus he and his siblings Simon, Joseph, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) were Jesus's cousins.​

In my thread Were they Jesus's siblings?, these testimonies and the crossover agreement between all my sources above, even if not every surname is listed by each individual source, collectively show that James in Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3;apostle James of Alphaeus; James the Less; James the Just; James the bishop of Jerusalem; James "the brother of the Lord;" and the author of the Epistle of James were the same person, and the son of Joseph's brother, Alphaeus, and his wife Mary of Cleophas (Clopas/Alpaheus), and thus he and his siblings Simon, Joseph, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) were Jesus's cousins.

All you have been provided in an attempt to defend your belief they were Jesus's siblings is reading verses about Jesus's brothers, and assume they were His siblings, as well taking verses out of context, either by inserting words that weren't originally there, or assuming the meaning of phrases without evidence for it. Then, when asked to do the work to actually prove all your claims, you and others refuse! Why? because you can't, yet you continue to claim you can, and that you're right, because you also refuse to concede to Catholics. You'd rather abandon reason than do that. Where's the spiritual benefit in that??

Again, look at the difference between you all and myself and other Catholics! Look at how we did the work and can provide substantial content, not assumptions and twisting of Scripture.

I understand its difficult admitting you're wrong in a belief, especially to a Catholic, but that's pride and Catholics aren't the ones who caused that. Your own people did.

@David in NJ only accepts Christian history that started 500 years ago.....you are wasting your time!

 

[David in NJ]

Translation: I reject Christian history. I don't follow bishops because Hebrews 13:17 is meant for you and not me. Acts 20:28 is a lie.

I follow my interpretation of what the Apostles wrote. My interpretation is right and yours is wrong...that is unless you agree with me.... then you are right also.

Now I know that none of you among whom I have preached the kingdom will see my face again.
Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
For I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole will of God.

Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.
Therefore be alert and remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

And so we have the record in the Holy Scriptures of the ugly birth of Roman catholicism.

 

[amigo de christo]

My choice is to ignore you until you say something that makes sense. You regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over and none of it makes sense.

We have been thru this before amigo. I have opened my bible. I have read it. I trust in God. I have met all your criteria that is supposed to enlighten me and help me think like you think. If I don't think like you think then I am wrong. If I agree with everything you say you I am right. You regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over again. Read your bible. Trust in God. Everyone else is wrong and I am right blah blah blah blah.....but your words are hollow.

Can you answer me one question and be serious about it: How do you fulfill John 6:53-58?

OR

Can you at least answer my questions from my previous post instead of regurgitating non-sensical stuff????????

My WORDS , how can this man give us his flesh to eat or blood to drink .
THEY THOUGHT , LIKE THE RCC , that JESUS meant this literally .
BUT , take heed to the first two words . MY WORDS are SPIRIT and THEY ARE LIFE .
TRY EATING OF THEM WORDS and not the lies of the RCC . and as far as communion
I do communion . IN remembrance of HIM . But you folks see as do the jewish leaders of old days .
THE RCC has literally replaced the Once wicked leaders of the jewish temple . THEY teach for DOCTRINE
the precepts of men . Yeah learn that and fast . THEY TEACH TO WORSHIP GOD by the precepts of men .
EAT HIS WORDS MY FRIEND . LOVE THOSE WORDS , OBEY THEM FROM THE HEART .

 

[amigo de christo]

@David in NJ only accepts Christian history that started 500 years ago.....you are wasting your time!

You must be kidding me right . True christanity history can be found IN the bible itself .
Now , unlike THE RCC , lets not twist said docrtrine and teach for doctrine the precepts of men .
WANNA know why they do and why they did as they did . THE RCC .
Well lets take hold on some of their titles and THAT OUTTA tell ya WHY THEY DO AS THEY DO .
MOST HOLY REVERAND , MOST HOLY FATHER . THEY DID WHAT THEY DID for the WORSHIP of men . LEARN THAT WELL
and get the heck out of that place . its decieving you as are many within the protestant realm .

 

[amigo de christo]

THEY LOVE and LOVED the praise of men . MOST HOLY FATHER . MOST HOLY REVERAND .
THAT BELONGS TO GOD ALONE , NOT MEN . BUT THEY WEAR THEM TITLES as though GOD HIMSELF .
That should tell EVERYONE HERE why the RCC DO as it did and why it do as it does . POWER AND CONTROL
and to obtain recognition and praise of men . LIKE i said , they the pharisees . THEY DO as they do
FOR POWER and CONTROL , to be seen and called of men OH MOST HOLY FATHER
they make BROAD their clothing . THEY DO EXACTLY WHAT JESUS BEWARED US ABOUT . FLEE THAT HOLE and never loook back

 

[amigo de christo]

Keeping it real (lol) Marymog…

Every individual has their own Beliefs, (some know why they believe what they do, some are content to simply be told what to believe by any person they subject themselves to that persons authority).

You have been very vocal of your own choosing to subject yourself to believing whatever persons the numerous counsels of Catholic hierarchy’s have concluded are the authorities, named the authorities and whom members of the Catholic Church should vow to unquestionability trust them.

Obviously NOT EVERYONE, yields to the decisions of the numerous Catholic counsels and their requests to yield to their Decisions.

I, nor are others, members of a Catholic Church, nor do we have an obligation to consider or unquestionably trust them.

You exercised your own freewill…so do others.

Funny you act shocked that people outside of the Catholic Church membership….
Have Agreements.

I suppose that is SHOCKING to you, since the Catholic Church members regularly spend their time discussing how ONLY Catholic Church members are in Agreement and all other religious organizations are all in disagreement. LOL.

FYI…not ALL Catholic Church members ARE in Agreement.

THE RCC is in it for one thing . POWER and CONTROL . To be praised of men .
Want proof . LOOK at their titles . MOST HOLY FATHER , kissing rings and kneeling before them
making braod their clothes . IF YOU or anyone ever calls me father or reverand or MOST HOLY FATHER OR REVERAND
PREPARED TO GET REBUKED . WE ARE BRETHREN . GOD IS OUR FATHER , HE IS THE MOST HOLY , HE IS REVERAND .
JESUS words sure can teach us a lot .

 

[Marymog]

Keeping it real (lol) Marymog…

Every individual has their own Beliefs, (some know why they believe what they do, some are content to simply be told what to believe by any person they subject themselves to that persons authority).

You have been very vocal of your own choosing to subject yourself to believing whatever persons the numerous counsels of Catholic hierarchy’s have concluded are the authorities, named the authorities and whom members of the Catholic Church should vow to unquestionability trust them.

Obviously NOT EVERYONE, yields to the decisions of the numerous Catholic counsels and their requests to yield to their Decisions.

I, nor are others, members of a Catholic Church, nor do we have an obligation to consider or unquestionably trust them.

You exercised your own freewill…so do others.

Funny you act shocked that people outside of the Catholic Church membership….
Have Agreements.

I suppose that is SHOCKING to you, since the Catholic Church members regularly spend their time discussing how ONLY Catholic Church members are in Agreement and all other religious organizations are all in disagreement. LOL.

FYI…not ALL Catholic Church members ARE in Agreement.

A staff member who is part of the encounter team laughing at a member of this forum. Hmmmm........very professional.

Anyways, I know that Protestants have rejected the councils of The Church. That's not breaking news........That rejection is what has divided Christianity and prevented Jesus' prayer that we all become one (John 17:20-23) from coming true. Now who would want Jesus prayer not to come true? Ummmm....Taken? No, no that's not it. David in NJ? No, david wants Jesus prayer to come true. Amigo de christo or face2face? No, they love Jesus. I know they want his prayer to come true.......I got it....SATAN!!! And yet the 4 of you are still divided.....aren't you???

Also, I am not "shocked that people outside of the Catholic Church membership….Have Agreements." Not surprisingly, you missed the point entirely. Why did you miss the point? Because thru your bias you have taken sides. Let me help you out.

Scripture says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15) and that we are to go to the Church to settle our differences because the Church has the final say in the matter and if we reject the teachings of the church we are to be treated as a pagan (Matthew 18:17)! Scripture tells us to obey are elders (Hebrews 13:17). You and your ilk ( @David in NJ @amigo de christo @face2face ) reject all these passages from Scripture and The Church follows them. You obey no one and you are always right and you decide who is to be treated as a pagan. Yet you accuse us Catholics of not following Scripture!! Weird!! Really, really weird.

Now, just because the 4 of you agree with each other on some matters......that doesn't make you right. That doesn't mean you are teaching the Truth. That is unless you think YOU fulfill 1 Timothy 3:15. Do you think YOU fulfil that passage Taken????? (you don't need to answer, I already know). How about you david? Amigo? Face2face? Do any of you fulfil 1 Timothy 3:15?

Also, it doesn't matter if "all Catholic Church members are in agreement". It only matters if The Church is right. Then we have to 'agree' to it. Because the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth and if you disagree with the Truth you disagree with The Church....At least that is what Scripture says. You 4 seem to think that if I disagree with YOU then I am disagreeing with the Truth. That is why you 4 kiddos crack me up

Keeping it real with Scripture instead of opinions (of which everything you wrote above is an opinion)....Mary

 

[Marymog]

THE RCC is in it for one thing . POWER and CONTROL . To be praised of men .
Want proof . LOOK at their titles . MOST HOLY FATHER , kissing rings and kneeling before them
making braod their clothes . IF YOU or anyone ever calls me father or reverand or MOST HOLY FATHER OR REVERAND
PREPARED TO GET REBUKED . WE ARE BRETHREN . GOD IS OUR FATHER , HE IS THE MOST HOLY , HE IS REVERAND .
JESUS words sure can teach us a lot .

And which salvational doctrine did The Church get wrong?

 

[Marymog]

You must be kidding me right . True christanity history can be found IN the bible itself .
Now , unlike THE RCC , lets not twist said docrtrine and teach for doctrine the precepts of men .
WANNA know why they do and why they did as they did . THE RCC .
Well lets take hold on some of their titles and THAT OUTTA tell ya WHY THEY DO AS THEY DO .
MOST HOLY REVERAND , MOST HOLY FATHER . THEY DID WHAT THEY DID for the WORSHIP of men . LEARN THAT WELL
and get the heck out of that place . its decieving you as are many within the protestant realm .

You crack me up. Are you going to say anything worth responding to or are you going to regurgitate your old lines?

 

[Marymog]

Now I know that none of you among whom I have preached the kingdom will see my face again.
Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men.
For I did not shrink back from declaring to you the whole will of God.

Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.
Therefore be alert and remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

And so we have the record in the Holy Scriptures of the ugly birth of Roman catholicism.

Lol....Hold on!! HOLD ON KIDDO!!!!

You are using Scripture as evidence of what The Catholic Church does; distorts the truth???? Do you and @amigo de christo or @face2face or @Taken agree on everything biblical? NOPE....are they distorting the truth OR are you? Maybe one of you all fullfill that passage?? Just sayin' kiddo...think about it. All the Protestant denominations disagree on 'the Truth'. Which of them are distorting the truth and fulfil that passage. Can you really not see how your argument/theory/twisting of Scripture makes no sense and is not logical???

Also, you never use Scripture to back up what you believe (or you twist it to back up what you believe) but you use Scripture to attack your fellow Christians. Why?

Curious Mary

 

[amigo de christo]

And which salvational doctrine did The Church get wrong?

The church didnt . But as far as concering the RCC , YA DONT HEED IT , for it has twisted many things .

 

[amigo de christo]

When ol amigo arrives it wont take long for the RCCC to arrive . The Roman catholic churches calvary
who come to defend its mantra against TRUTH . very sad indeed .

 

[Taken]

My choice is to ignore you until you say something that makes sense. You regurgitate the same stuff over and over and over and none of it makes sense.


Response…@Taken

That is more REVEALING than I doubt you meant to REVEAL.


For something to NOT MAKE SENSE, is a revealing, it boggles your MIND.
The MIND thinks in a process of LOGIC.
LOGIC is having OPTIONS to BELIEVE multiple things, and Landing on ONE as being Most Mindfully Logical to Believe.

Spiritual BELIEVING is about ONE BELIEF, in the Thoughts of the HEART (not multiple options, thoughts, of the MIND).

You are convinced of what to believe, by the options your MIND receives, and decides is the most LOGICAL.

What does God think about men who rely on their MINDS Thoughts and Logical conclusions regarding SPIRITUAL things?

A reliable answer is:

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

..amigo de christo is not the first to not satisfy your Minds Logical thoughts concerning Spiritual things, nor will he be the last.

Spiritual things, DO NOT MAKE Logical sense, nor can they. And that seems to be a problem for you.