NEWSFLASH: Abraham was not a Jew. Neither was Isaac. Neither was Jacob.

[Zao is life]

Israel is a title and now who can be part of it has expanded.

Israel is Jacob and his descendants. How many of them are Jews?

Are they all Jews?

 

[covenantee]

He slew them again in 70 AD.

why?

read lev 26

Yeet even after this, he says he will restor the WHEN they repent.. he will gather them from the nations where he scattered them, and forgive them..

 

[covenantee]

He slew them again in 70 AD.

why?

read lev 26

Yeet even after this, he says he will restor the WHEN they repent.. he will gather them from the nations where he scattered them, and forgive them..

Where is "when they repent" in Leviticus 26 KJV?

Only a remnant will be saved. Romans 9:27

 

[covenantee]

Yep 2 Israel’s.

1. Spiritual. Born again

2. Physical. Blinded in part. But God keeps a remnant. And one day all will be saved.

Paul defines "all".

"Spiritual born again" only.

That will only be a remnant. Romans 9:27

 

[covenantee]

I accept that your god is,yes.



And thank you for your honesty. :) Better late than never.

This is a Christian forum. Our God is not an antisemite.

This is a board for Christians only. Non-believers have their own section where you and your fellows will be within the rules of the site.

Is a slayer of semites an antisemite?

 

[covenantee]

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they arebeloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Blindness i part until.. then what happens..

ALL WILL BE SAVED.

You should stop being wise in your own opinion

Why are you ignoring the definition of "all Israel" that Paul previously provided for us in Romans 9:6-8?

God is not a racist.

Nor can He be contorted into one.

So stop trying.

 

[Zao is life]

Is a slayer of semites an antisemite?

This false charge of antisemitism leveled against all who know that only those in Christ are Israel is such and old slur. It's like the race-card. So well used and worn out it's become meaningless.

Antisemites are those who hate Jews. Not telling Jews the truth about their status before God if they reject Christ is hating Jews. For sure.

 

[Zao is life]

Why are you ignoring the definition of "all Israel" that Paul previously provided for us in Romans 9:6-8?

God is not a racist.

Nor can He be contorted into one.

So stop trying.

All Israel = Jews in Christ plus Gentiles in Christ. 12 tribes. Only 1/12 was Jewish.

All Israel being saved is an ongoing thing. It's been ongoing since Jesus died and rose again, i.e since the Deliverer came out of Zion and took away our sins. It will be ongoing until the fullness of the nations has come in. Then the end will come.

 

[covenantee]

This false charge of antisemitism leveled against all who know that only those in Christ are Israel is such and old slur. It's like the race-card. So well used and worn out it's become meaningless.

Antisemites are those who hate Jews. Not telling Jews the truth about their status before God if they reject Christ is hating Jews. For sure.

Yeah. And telling them and everyone else that their salvation is via their DNA rather than the shed Blood of Christ.

The epitome of blasphemy.

 

[Zao is life]

Yeah. And telling them and everyone else that their salvation is via their DNA rather than the shed Blood of Christ.

The epitome of blasphemy.

Yes. It speaks volumes of their attitude to the blood of Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

Israel is Jacob and his descendants. How many of them are Jews?

Are they all Jews?

I've already explained this, literally today.

 

[covenantee]

Spiritually again, This is correct

It does not negate the physical

Paul declares that the physical is not a Jew. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly..."
Whom to believe?
1. You
2. Paul
Do you need a hint?

 

[BlessedPeace]

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they arebeloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Blindness i part until.. then what happens..

ALL WILL BE SAVED.

You should stop being wise in your own opinion

You will never reach the mindset of those who see "JEWS!", as something to be denied under their terms and conditions,as they defend their eisegesis.

There's a white supremacist website known as Christogenea forum. I've browsed that a time or two after their 'bible' showed on Amazon in my search for Bibles.

I do believe if you browse that site you'll realize some of their members are visiting Christian discussion sites and spreading the word of their ex-con site founder, who wrote that bible while in prison.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Come back to this thread once you've prayed, read the Bible from cover to cover, and know what you're talking about.

See you in a year.

You owe me an apology before you do come back in a year's time.

You're not getting an apology for anything I've said, because what I said is true. And you want an apology without challenging a single point I said? ;)

I read the Bible through when I was like 13 years old. I've been going to Bible studies from about the time I learned to tie my shoes. You have no ground to stand on except I will say this. Abraham cannot be considered a Jew because the term comes from the tribe of Judah, which had not yet been born.

But my point was and still is: Abraham is the father of the Jewish People. So everything you're saying comes across as antisemitic, even though you likely are not antisemitic. Why don't you recognize how rude you are in the face of what the Jews have been going through? You should apologize to them!

Matt 1.2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers.

Acts 3.25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers.

Rom 4.12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

 

[BlessedPeace]

This is a ludicrous statement, since the term "Gentile" only has meaning *after* Abraham has produced the Hebrew, or "Jewish," nation. Abraham was in a very true sense the father of the Jewish People. In saying he "was not a Jew" you seem to demean God's promise to preserve for him a biological posterity revealed as a nation in the land of Canaan.

That's a lie. God Himself told Abraham His intention was to bring not just a multitude of nations into existence who would represent His faith, but also to bring a nation built upon Abraham's biological posterity, ie Israel. You deliberately and clearly call God a liar at worst, or say we all misunderstood Him at best.

Are you a supporter of Swedenborgianism? Just curious....

I've never heard of that so I'll share what I found so others might also be aprised.

The New Church (Swedenborgian) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[BlessedPeace]

Semites - Encyclopedia of The Bible - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

 

[BlessedPeace]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28

 

[Zao is life]

I've already explained this, literally today.

You explained how you see it. Not how the Bible sees it.

 

[Zao is life]

You're not getting an apology for anything I've said, because what I said is true. And you want an apology without challenging a single point I said? ;)

Your agenda appears to be to marginalize the Jewish People, and to "hit them while they're down."

I've handed you and your filthy false accusation over to Jesus. It's between you and God now. Because He knows it's a filthy lie.

You display NO fruit of the Spirit (which is the mark of a Christian). But that's between you and God also.

Goodbye until you apologize to me - because until you do, nothing you say to anyone in any board or any Christian community means anything to me, and I won't read anything else you say. You are a heathen to me now, until you repent.

You may continue to attempt to convince God by your filthy lies i.e false accusations against Christ's people and your belief in falsehoods, that you produce the fruit of His Spirit (which you no doubt will do, of course). But you're now a heathen to me.

 

[Zao is life]

You will never reach the mindset of those who see "JEWS!", as something to be denied under their terms and conditions,as they defend their eisegesis.

There's a white supremacist website known as Christogenea forum. I've browsed that a time or two after their 'bible' showed on Amazon in my search for Bibles.

I do believe if you browse that site you'll realize some of their members are visiting Christian discussion sites and spreading the word of their ex-con site founder, who wrote that bible while in prison.

Another filthy false accusation against anyone who believes the doctrine of Jesus and of Paul.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Labeling all people who understand that no one who is not in Christ is part of Israel - Jew or Gentile - as white supremacists who follow an ex-con who (going by what you say above) is full of racism against the Jews.

Jesus was not a racist against the Jews. Neither was Paul. Both taught that any Jew who rejects Christ is no longer part of Israel, unless he repents.

You should be ashamed of yourself, calling Jesus and His apostles antisemites who hate Jews merely because they are Jews.

There are so many little gods running around in these boards who seem to believe that they can perceive the hearts and thoughts of those who remaining faithful to biblical doctrine - the doctrine of Jesus and His apostles. Little gods who will face the truth of their ways and filthy false accusations against Jesus, His apostles and all the saints who believe them, when they face God in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ.​