NEWSFLASH: Abraham was not a Jew. Neither was Isaac. Neither was Jacob.

[Eternally Grateful]

What did Paul say after he used the word IF in Romans 11:23?

@Eternally Grateful How did God's promise to Abraham continue after the majority of the Jews were broken off from Israel?

Hint: Paul explained it at the beginning of Romans 11.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they arebeloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Blindness i part until.. then what happens..

ALL WILL BE SAVED.

You should stop being wise in your own opinion

 

[Zao is life]

Blinded in part.

these unsaved God hating jews are still part of isreal.. they re the blind ones.

"Unsaved God-hating Jews".

Probably not God-hating to the same extent that many unbelieving Gentiles are God-hating.

Just as unsaved and not part of Israel - who are found only in Christ - all the same.

 

[ewq1938]

Does the habit of many of using the word "Jew" and the name "Israel" interchangeably

Doesn't matter. We are just discussing how the term Jew came to represent all of Israel in the bible. Jew is also part of Judaism, which was traditionally the religion of Israel and of course they live in Judea which also has Jew in the pronunciation.

 

[Zao is life]

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they arebeloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Blindness i part until.. then what happens..

ALL WILL BE SAVED.

You should stop being wise in your own opinion

Who is "ALL Israel"?

Are you not part of Israel?

 

[Zao is life]

Doesn't matter. We are just discussing how the term Jew came to represent all of Israel in the bible. Jew is also part of Judaism, which was traditionally the religion of Israel and of course they live in Judea which also has Jew in the pronunciation.

So only those who are Jews ethnically are part of Israel?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"Unsaved God-hating Jews".

Probably not God-hating to the same extent that many unbelieving Gentiles are God-hating.

Just as unsaved and not part of Israel - who are found only in Christ - all the same.

They are still the elect.
’Just not for salvation..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who is "ALL Israel"?

Are you not part of Israel?

All isreal is all who are alive at that time who are descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons.

No. I am not part of All isreal

I am of the all nations who are bless through abraham

 

[ewq1938]

So only those who are Jews ethnically are part of Israel?

They are only the natural branches of Israel but you don't have to be born ethnically to become part of Israel since Christ.

 

[Zao is life]

They are still the elect.
’Just not for salvation..

I'm eternally grateful for the fact that Christ is the elect of God, and all those who are in Him through faith in Him.

@Eternally Grateful Does "they are beloved" for the sake of the fathers mean "they are part of Christ"?

Or does it mean they will be grafted in again if they repent of their unbelief because they are still beloved for the sake of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm eternally grateful for the fact that Christ is the elect of God, and all those who are in Him through faith in Him.

Yes they are. Spiritual children of God

But he has a physical nation he calls his own. And he loves them too. He loves them so much he keeps his promise to them,

If he breaks his promise to them, He has no base with which to keep his promise to us..

eternal does not mean eternal it means until he says so.

 

[Zao is life]

They are only the natural branches of Israel but you don't have to be born ethnically to become part of Israel since Christ.

How can you be Israel if Jews = Israel, if you are not a Jew?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How can you be Israel if Jews = Israel, if you are not a Jew?

It is obvious you do not understand, the term has different meanings depending on which context it is being used

 

[Zao is life]

It is obvious you do not understand, the term has different meanings depending on which context it is being used

You mean depending on what you decide it means, whenever you need to change its meaning.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean depending on what you decide it means, whenever you need to change its meaning.

Nope

depending on wht the author decides what it means

You do not get to decide. Nor do I.

 

[Zao is life]

Yes they are. Spiritual children of God

But he has a physical nation he calls his own. And he loves them too. He loves them so much he keeps his promise to them,

If he breaks his promise to them, He has no base with which to keep his promise to us..

eternal does not mean eternal it means until he says so.

But He kept His promise to them when He died nearly 2,000 years ago - and He kept His promise then, once for all:

31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah,
32 not according to the covenant that I cut with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant of Mine they broke, although I was a husband to them, says the LORD;
33 but this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, says the LORD, I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 And they shall no more teach each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know the LORD; for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

How many times does the deliverer need to come out of Zion and keep His covenant with them when He takes away their sins?

 

[Zao is life]

Nope

depending on wht the author decides what it means

You do not get to decide. Nor do I.

Well then Israel is in Christ because He alone is God's elect, and those who are in Him through faith in Him.

You and I do not decide who is Israel, because God has already decided.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well then Israel is in Christ because He alone is God's elect, and those who are in Him through faith in Him.

You and I do not decide who is Israel, because God has already decided.

God made a promise to them in Genesis.

You can keep arguing or you can study the word.

I am sick of your mocking God. So i will walk away

 

[Zao is life]

God made a promise to them in Genesis.

You can keep arguing or you can study the word.

I am sick of your mocking God. So i will walk away

It's you whose mocking God's Word. The teaching of Christ and of His apostles. Not me.

 

[ewq1938]

How can you be Israel if Jews = Israel, if you are not a Jew?

Israel is a title and now who can be part of it has expanded.

 

[Zao is life]

God made a promise to them in Genesis.

You can keep arguing or you can study the word.

I am sick of your mocking God. So i will walk away

So which part of the promise in Genesis did God not keep?