Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[amigo de christo]

Gen. 2 Verses 21 to 24[21] So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; [22] and the rib which the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

Now visualize the beauty of this .
Notice the man was caused to go into a deep sleep . notice from the side of man came the woman .
Now lets see something beautiful indeed . JESUS . FROM WHENCE SPRANG THE CHURCH , HIS WIFE , HIS BRIDE
and he spent three days in the earth . YEAH . ponder on the beauty of that .
And now the children of the LORD are not birthed by the pro creation . NO
it is of the SPIRIT . by the preaching of the GOSPEL . JESUS is all WE NEED SISTER . AND HIS EVERY WORD shall be our meat .
The lambs will not bend the knee to the ever changing views of society and of men .
FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP . JESUS , i repeat , JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and they wont be following a stranger .
HIS WORDS are our meat and the lambs shall feast upon that bible and learn and grow by the grace of GOD .
And the cost will be the cost . But no matter the cost of what we suffer or lose in this world
COUNT IT ALL GAIN for the GLORIOUS LORD . WE WIN SISTER . why , CAUSE JESUS HAS ALREADY WON .
HE has already WON . we must simply endure whatever cometh and is allowed to come against us .
BUT THE END REWARD will be a home forever with the KING . JESUS has the lambs . No man gonna pluck them FROM HIS HAND .
THEY can try , they can even do all to pry , But the lambs WONT BE HEEDING THEM .
NO man . The lambs HEED THE VOICE of the GREAT SHEPARD . and even if they kill us
STILL IN DEATH WE WILL NEVER BE SEPERATED FROM THE LORD WE WILL SIMPLY THEN BE WITH HE WHO HAS SAVED US .
OH rita it brought joy to my soul to even be reminded of that . WE HAVE ALL HOPE . cause JESUS IS OUR HOPE . yep .

 

[marks]

I’m not here to agree with others and follow them....I’m here to be led by the Holy Spirit into God’s truth.

Amen! So I'm just offering some of the things I see . . .

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Now visualize the beauty of this .
Notice the man was caused to go into a deep sleep . notice from the side of man came the woman .
Now lets see something beautiful indeed . JESUS . FROM WHENCE SPRANG THE CHURCH , HIS WIFE , HIS BRIDE
and he spent three days in the earth . YEAH . ponder on the beauty of that .
And now the children of the LORD are not birthed by the pro creation . NO
it is of the SPIRIT . by the preaching of the GOSPEL . JESUS is all WE NEED SISTER . AND HIS EVERY WORD shall be our meat .
The lambs will not bend the knee to the ever changing views of society and of men .
FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP . JESUS , i repeat , JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and they wont be following a stranger .
HIS WORDS are our meat and the lambs shall feast upon that bible and learn and grow by the grace of GOD .
And the cost will be the cost . But no matter the cost of what we suffer or lose in this world
COUNT IT ALL GAIN for the GLORIOUS LORD . WE WIN SISTER . why , CAUSE JESUS HAS ALREADY WON .
HE has already WON . we must simply endure whatever cometh and is allowed to come against us .
BUT THE END REWARD will be a home forever with the KING . JESUS has the lambs . No man gonna pluck them FROM HIS HAND .
THEY can try , they can even do all to pry , But the lambs WONT BE HEEDING THEM .
NO man . The lambs HEED THE VOICE of the GREAT SHEPARD . and even if they kill us
STILL IN DEATH WE WILL NEVER BE SEPERATED FROM THE LORD WE WILL SIMPLY THEN BE WITH HE WHO HAS SAVED US .
OH rita it brought joy to my soul to even be reminded of that . WE HAVE ALL HOPE . cause JESUS IS OUR HOPE . yep .

Thank you for posting,Brother...I will give your post a good read later...and God willing, will ask questions..hope that’s ok, as I’m very weary at the moment and need some rest...God Bless..c u later.

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen! So I'm just offering some of the things I see . . .

Much love!

Of course Brother and I value them...you posted some great insightful posts and much scripture...Loved it..thank you...c u later as I’m feeling quite weary.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Genesis 2:8 KJV
And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:15 KJV
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Genesis 2:21-22 KJV
21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Genesis 3:20 KJV
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

I guess I'm not seeing in these verses were it means that Adam didn't have the ability choose things for himself.

To me this passage shows Adam acting from his own initiative, choosing names for all the animals.

Genesis 2:19-20 KJV
19) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20) And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Why would God command Adam to not eat if Adam had no choice in the matter, and would in fact eat, being "ordained by God" to do so?

Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
16) And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6 KJV
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

1 Timothy 2:14 KJV
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

What do you make of Eve having been deceived and Adam not? To me this distinction demonstrates Adam's choosing to eat.

Much love!

Adam Had free will

he did not have a sin nature.

His nature was not to sin. But to serve God..

 

[Ritajanice]

Now visualize the beauty of this .
Notice the man was caused to go into a deep sleep . notice from the side of man came the woman .
Now lets see something beautiful indeed . JESUS . FROM WHENCE SPRANG THE CHURCH , HIS WIFE , HIS BRIDE
and he spent three days in the earth . YEAH . ponder on the beauty of that .
And now the children of the LORD are not birthed by the pro creation . NO
it is of the SPIRIT . by the preaching of the GOSPEL . JESUS is all WE NEED SISTER . AND HIS EVERY WORD shall be our meat .
The lambs will not bend the knee to the ever changing views of society and of men .
FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP . JESUS , i repeat , JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and they wont be following a stranger .
HIS WORDS are our meat and the lambs shall feast upon that bible and learn and grow by the grace of GOD .
And the cost will be the cost . But no matter the cost of what we suffer or lose in this world
COUNT IT ALL GAIN for the GLORIOUS LORD . WE WIN SISTER . why , CAUSE JESUS HAS ALREADY WON .
HE has already WON . we must simply endure whatever cometh and is allowed to come against us .
BUT THE END REWARD will be a home forever with the KING . JESUS has the lambs . No man gonna pluck them FROM HIS HAND .
THEY can try , they can even do all to pry , But the lambs WONT BE HEEDING THEM .
NO man . The lambs HEED THE VOICE of the GREAT SHEPARD . and even if they kill us
STILL IN DEATH WE WILL NEVER BE SEPERATED FROM THE LORD WE WILL SIMPLY THEN BE WITH HE WHO HAS SAVED US .
OH rita it brought joy to my soul to even be reminded of that . WE HAVE ALL HOPE . cause JESUS IS OUR HOPE . yep .

God has revealed to my heart/ spirit, that I have been following men ....and listening to their teaching.which was not the word of God...there is a lot of confusion in what they post..imo.

Scripture: Isaiah 8-10, Hebrews 8

Isaiah 8:11-13 With his great power the Lord warned me not to follow the path which the people were following. He said, “Do not join in the schemes of the people and do not be afraid of the things that they fear. Remember that I, the Lord Almighty, am holy; I am the one you must fear.



Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Psalms 118:8-9 - It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. (Read More...)

2 John 1:9 - Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Matthew 15:9 - But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 15:14 - Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

1 Corinthians 1:10-13 - Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (Read More...)

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Galatians 1:9 - As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Matthew 15:13 - But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

2 John 1:9-11 - Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. New Living Translation But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you. English Standard Version But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Berean Standard Bible But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you. Berean Literal Bible But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you. King James Bible But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

[marks]

Of course Brother and I value them...you posted some great insightful posts and much scripture...Loved it..thank you...c u later as I’m feeling quite weary.

May God bless you with sweet rest!

Much love!

 

[PinSeeker]

To me this distinction demonstrates Adam's choosing to eat.

Adam said nothing, but went along with his wife in her deception. The point is, Adam knew very well what God told him in Genesis 2:17, that if he partook of the fruit of the forbidden tree, he would surely, in that very day, die. And he had related this to Eve at some point, which we know because she reiterated that to Satan. But Adam did not fulfill his responsibility to God and keep Eve from deception and from sinning, but... yes, for some reason... chose not to do so, but merely to go along with her, even though he knew the right thing to do. Yes, he made a choice, but the choice he made is not the point, but rather not fulfilling his responsibility to God as head of his wife and to the wife God gave him, and therefore, his sin was much, much greater than Eve's. Yes, Adam certainly made choices, but that's not the point of the fall of Genesis 3 at all. And they both died ~ spiritually that very day ~ just as God said they would, and all of mankind has been, naturally, from birth, in the same condition. The promise of Genesis 3 was that this condition would not be permanent.

This is the case in Romans 9, also. Paul doesn't say or insinuate people "don't have" or "don't make a choice," but rather that our choice depends on God giving us his mercy and compassion... or not:

"For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy" (Romans 9-15-16).​

And if He does give us this mercy and compassion, we will not fail to choose the Right, to choose God and to serve Him. He creates us... spiritually re-creates us, actually ~ He does this even while we are yet dead ~ dead ~ in our sin (just as Adam and Eve were as a consequence of the Fall of Genesis 3). As Paul says:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast" (Ephesians 2:4-9).​

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Hillsage]

Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one

Your opinion....only??? Help me out with one at least.

ROM 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Just exactly whose FLESH did Jesus 'condemn the SIN nature' in? I believe it was His flesh and Romans 8 is my verse. Because that is where the "sinful human nature" and the desire to sin comes from?

NIV 2PE 2:18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature,...
KJV 2PE 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, ....

JAM 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one; 14 but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.


So How did Jesus become TEMPTED? The same way we get TEMPTED. the sinful flesh nature.
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HEB 4:15 For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been TEMPTED as we are, yet without sin.

 

[PinSeeker]

Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one

I'd agree with this in one sense, but disagree in the other. Jesus had a dual nature, He was both God and man. So He was both of God ~ 100% God ~ and of man ~ 100% man. So I would disagree with what you say in the latter sense. Expounding on that:

Jesus was tempted in every way we are, yet remained without sin, as the writer of Hebrews says in Hebrews 4:15. Paul says He was both in the form of man and in the form of God, so, the very thing regarding both. I would rather say that because He was "in the form of God" ~ God made man, as John puts it ("the Word became flesh" [John 1:14]), He was able to overcome ~ conquer in Himself ~ all temptation and all sin and remain without sin. All of this is what qualifies Him to be Mediator between God and man and reconcile us to the Father.

Grace and peace to you, EG.

 

[marks]

It's difficult for me to imagine how some believe Jesus to have been Himself corrupted by sin.

Much love!

 

[Father Jim]

Jesus did not have a sin nature or the flesh.. He, Like adam, was born/created without one.

At times I'm amazed at some of the things I read here, but so far, this one takes the cake.

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be MADE like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
(fn) Like his brethren.

Verse 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

 

[Hillsage]

Hello Hillsage,

From my lessons and gleanings from the bible over the years, has gotten me to consider that the soul, is the image of God (it is the mind/will/emotions which all people have.) You can call it spirit if you would like to that doesn't bother me, however to me it is the soul which is the image of God and thus, all of us have a mind, all of us have our own individual will, and all of have some kind of handle or nonhandle on the emotions that one may go through in life.

'Yo' back to ya Bro.
From my studies you are confusing the "image" of God which is spirit, with the "likeness" of God which is soul (mind will emotions) which all people have because the soul basically is the brain functioning.

Adam and Eve weren't made "LIKE" God or they would have never sinned. But they were "spirits" like God's "image". And God wanted them to pursue "AFTER HIS LIKENESS"... or have His soul (mind, will emotions etc.) "mind of Christ" "yes God" "Love peace Joy".

Also, the Greek word for soul is PSUCHE. IT is the word we get psychology, psychiatric, and some of the people here PSYCHOS. IOW it is simply the functioning of the brain which your/my brains/souls should pursue single mindedly.

JAM 1:7 For that person must not suppose that a double-minded/dipsuchos man, unstable in all his ways, will receive anything from the Lord.

1374 dipsuchos: two spirited, i.e. vacillating (in opinion or purpose)
And dipsuchos is not dipneuma and pneuma is the Greek word we get the word SPIRIT from.

False definition of Psuche comes from STRONG who was a man who was did a good job, but not perfect and should be re-edited IMO.


Scripture doesn't want us to become "DOUBLE SOULED" or "dipsuchos" as Christians. Because that's not going to get you to "the image of the stature of the fullness of CHRIST IN YOU. for your heavenly rewards in the hereafter.

I know your post was much longer but I'm so far behind here I'm lost as to who/where/when of what's been said. But you said some 'good surprise' things in what I deleted responding to.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your opinion....only??? Help me out with one at least.

ROM 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Just exactly whose FLESH did Jesus 'condemn the SIN nature' in? I believe it was His flesh and Romans 8 is my verse. Because that is where the "sinful human nature" and the desire to sin comes from?

NIV 2PE 2:18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature,...
KJV 2PE 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, ....

JAM 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempts no one; 14 but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.


So How did Jesus become TEMPTED? The same way we get TEMPTED. the sinful flesh nature.
.
HEB 4:15 For we have not a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been TEMPTED as we are, yet without sin.

In the LIKENESS

try to study why donlt you

Jesus did Not have a sin nature.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'd agree with this in one sense, but disagree in the other. Jesus had a dual nature, He was both God and man. So He was both of God ~ 100% God ~ and of man ~ 100% man. So I would disagree with what you say in the latter sense. Expounding on that:

Jesus was tempted in every way we are, yet remained without sin, as the writer of Hebrews says in Hebrews 4:15. Paul says He was both in the form of man and in the form of God, so, the very thing regarding both. I would rather say that because He was "in the form of God" ~ God made man, as John puts it ("the Word became flesh" [John 1:14]), He was able to overcome ~ conquer in Himself ~ all temptation and all sin and remain without sin. All of this is what qualifies Him to be Mediator between God and man and reconcile us to the Father.

Grace and peace to you, EG.

Sin nature is the innate nature to sin. it is selfish, it must take care of self

it is different than human flesh. Which has free will

 

[Eternally Grateful]

At times I'm amazed at some of the things I read here, but so far, this one takes the cake.

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be MADE like them,[fn] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
(fn) Like his brethren.

Verse 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

Once again, Being tempted does not man he had a sin nature

Sin nature is the nature we recieved from Adam based on our loss of a relationship with God. it seeks self. It serves self. It is all it can do.

If that is cake. You should eat it..

 

[Hillsage]

It's difficult for me to imagine how some believe Jesus to have been Himself corrupted by sin.

Much love!

I hope you're not making this nameless comment about me. If you are, just let me know...proudly do so, of course. ;)

he did not have a sin nature.

His nature was not to sin. But to serve God..

I'll tell you where the ADAMS family sin nature came from, their stinking thinking double MINDED fleshly mindedSOULS, and not the spirits which were in them from God.

GEN 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.

The same THREE root sources of all the sins in the world.

1JO 2:16 For all that is IN the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is OF the world.

Evil spirits appeal to 'all that is in the flesh/body world' of a triparte human. IOW they appeal to 'the lust of your sinful flesh' and they appal to 'what you see' with 'the lust of your eyes' which are flesh. They also appeal to how you think 'the fleshly eyes of people' in the world 'SEE YOU' with their eyes, in your fleshly 'pride of life/bios.

0979 bios {bee'-os}; life, i.e. the present state of existence; by impl. the means of livelihood......

And how did the devil tempt them? By telling them that they would BE "LIKE" GOD, Which was TRUE, but 'which God' did they become more "LIKE" according to the GOD who said "Let US make man in our image" which was 'a spirit'.

RSV GEN 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become LIKE one of US, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" --

And the devil tempted Jesus with those same three ROOTS of all sins, in the wilderness where the Holy Spirit led HIM to BE tempted

"command these stones to become loaves of bread." "lust of the flesh"
"If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down; "the pride of LIFE"
"the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world.." "Lust of the eyes"

 

[marks]

I hope you're not making this nameless comment about me. If you are, just let me know...proudly do so, of course. ;)

A few people have been saying this, and things like it.

Anyway, do you really think you have any realistic idea of what it would be like to be Adam in the garden? What his mentality would have been like?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Once again, Being tempted does not man he had a sin nature

Yeah. Fallen man has corruption inside causing him to want evil. Ascribing that to Jesus seems to me to be blasphemous.

In saying that temptation is not "valid" unless you already have the sickness of sin inside you, this means that Jesus is just as fallen as we are, requiring a savior Himself. I don't believe that in the slightest!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah. Fallen man has corruption inside causing him to want evil. Ascribing that to Jesus seems to me to be blasphemous.

In saying that temptation is not "valid" unless you already have the sickness of sin inside you, this means that Jesus is just as fallen as we are, requiring a savior Himself. I don't believe that in the slightest!

Much love!

Jesus could have fallen.. But unlike us with a fallen nature. He could also resist. Because that was not his nature.

It’s called the flesh, it serves self.