Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[Ritajanice]

Good day sis..

This saddens me that you are not open to what is being said that most churches teach about the kind of death we died in ADAM.

I’m sorry it saddens you.

But, I must stand on God’s word...have a nice day and God Bless You.

This is what God says..regarding sin.

Romans 5:12-21​

KJV

Adam and Christ​

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that [1]all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's [2] offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence [3] of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm DONE!
All you do is deflect then attack.
Even those whom have coddled and tried to guide you into right spirituality!
Shaking off the dust @Ritajanice . Claiming those who do try & correct you as false prophets, is defection & attack ! You refused and reject the biblical truths of God's words!

I have attacked no one...I have been standing on God’s word.....and will continue to do so.

It’s you who have rejected God’s word..not me.

God did not say Adam and Eve died spiritually.....no he did not!!

You corrected no one...in fact you added to God’s word......” Spiritually “.....only the Holy Spirit can correct me...

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ Genesis 2:17 ►

Audio Crossref Comm Hebrew Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” New Living Translation except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.” English Standard Version but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Berean Standard Bible but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” King James Bible But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. New King James Version but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” New American Standard Bible but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.” NASB 1995 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Genesis 3​

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King James Version​

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3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.




My opinion not biblical......they started dying in physical form as soon as they ate the fruit.....my opinion is as valid as any other.....

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'

 

[marks]

No you haven’t.

You have not produced any scripture that says,Adam and Eve died spiritually?

God did not say that.

You are correct, the Bible does not come right out and say that Adam and Eve died spiritually when they ate the fruit. It has to be inferred, and not everyone makes the same inference.

Personally, I think this is the correct understanding. But as far as I can remember, no such explicit statement is made.

God said they that would die. They continued in physical life, so the question becomes? Then did they die or not? And if so, in what way?

The NT teaches us about spiritual death, and Jesus' teaching that we have to be born again. Personally, I don't know another way to understand this.

How was it that condemnation came upon all men for his sin? Does that mean that sinless and innocent and uncorrupted babies are condemned when they become alive? Or does it mean that there are no sinless and innocent babies,because Humanity was permanently and irretrievably damaged by Adams sin?

Much love!

 

[marks]

My opinion not biblical......they started dying in physical form as soon as they ate the fruit.....my opinion is as valid as any other.....

Though beginning to die is not the same as "on that day dying you shall die".

Personally I think I need to stick with, On that day you shall die, therefore, it must have happened. However it happened, a life ended.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

You are correct, the Bible does not come right out and say that Adam and Eve died spiritually when they ate the fruit. It has to be inferred, and not everyone makes the same inference.

Personally, I think this is the correct understanding. But as far as I can remember, no such explicit statement is made.

God said they that would die. They continued in physical life, so the question becomes? Then did they die or not? And if so, in what way?

The NT teaches us about spiritual death, and Jesus' teaching that we have to be born again. Personally, I don't know another way to understand this.

How was it that condemnation came upon all men for his sin? Does that mean that sinless and innocent and uncorrupted babies are condemned when they become alive? Or does it mean that there are no sinless and innocent babies,because Humanity was permanently and irretrievably damaged by Adams sin?

Much love!

They started dying in physical form as soon as they ate that fruit did they not?

I understand spiritual death as a Born Again..as God teaches about it in his word?

 

[Ritajanice]

Though beginning to die is not the same as "on that day dying you shall die".

Personally I think I need to stick with, On that day you shall die, therefore, it must have happened. However it happened, a life ended.

Much love!

Again that can be interpreted as them dying one day..like we will die in this flesh bodies?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m sorry it saddens you.

But, I must stand on God’s word...have a nice day and God Bless You.

This is what God says..regarding sin.

Romans 5:12-21​

KJV

Adam and Christ​

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that [1]all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's [2] offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence [3] of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

I am standing on Gods word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Though beginning to die is not the same as "on that day dying you shall die".

Personally I think I need to stick with, On that day you shall die, therefore, it must have happened. However it happened, a life ended.

Much love!

Amen

again, we can tell by the way Adam acted. and how he forgot spiritual things he should have known just hours before. that he died..

it is that death which is passed down

 

[L.A.M.B.]

I am standing on Gods word.

Lol, not according to some. Only they have the right to stand on God's word. Furthermore there isn't standing room for God's truth opposed to their truth.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am standing on Gods word.

You didn’t, because you added your own words to God’s word...you added spiritual.

 

[Ritajanice]

Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins.
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen

again, we can tell by the way Adam acted. and how he forgot spiritual things he should have known just hours before. that he died..

it is that death which is passed down

This is your own understanding of scripture..it’s not biblical.

Plus imo with respect, it doesn’t make sense.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have posted God’s word and I’ve stood on it...if some want to get personal, no worries....I will continue to stand on the word of God.

I will not be bullied by anyone....to denounce what God’s word is saying...neither will I add any words to the Living word of God.

God did not say to Adam and Eve that they will die spiritually...

 

[marks]

Amen

again, we can tell by the way Adam acted. and how he forgot spiritual things he should have known just hours before. that he died..

it is that death which is passed down

I'm not sure how we could know what Adam did or didn't know, or how he acted prior to that, can we?

How long was it after his creation that he sinned?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Again that can be interpreted as them dying one day..like we will die in this flesh bodies?

I don't see that. I mean, let's say I'm hit by a meteorite, which doesn't kill me, but damages me so that I die in a week, God forbid! We know what day I actually die, right?

Much love!

 

[marks]

They started dying in physical form as soon as they ate that fruit did they not?

I understand spiritual death as a Born Again..as God teaches about it in his word?

I don't think that they had the indwelling Holy Spirit as we do. Rather that they were simply innocent, and therefore had a living spirit able to commune with God.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't see that. I mean, let's say I'm hit by a meteorite, which doesn't kill me, but damages me so that I die in a week, God forbid! We know what day I actually die, right?

Much love!

God said they will die...therefore I see it differently to you..what I mean is they will die one day.

Couldn’t they have lived forever?

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'

 

[Ritajanice]

I don't think that they had the indwelling Holy Spirit as we do. Rather that they were simply innocent, and therefore had a living spirit able to commune with God.

Much love!

Again, that can be interpreted either way.....just an opinion like mine..

What God didn’t say was...Adam and Eve will die spiritually.

Genesis 3:22​

ESVThen the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
NIVAnd the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.'