Losing Your Salvation - Bible Verses

[mailmandan]

Actually I did answer your question with the verse I quoted. And the conclusion YOU SHOULD have gotten was the fact that John knew they weren't qualified for his baptism. And John did say why they were there "to flee the wrath that was coming". Same reason everyone else was there. And you quoting a chapter 7 verse to prove what happened in chapter 3!!!! Well, all I can say is if you have to go that far out of context to prove your point then there is a maxim you should learn.

WHEN YOUR 'TEXT' IS OUT CONTEXT, THEN YOUR TEXT IS PRETEXT. That's just one more reason as to how the church has gotten so doctrinally damaged ever since the church of Rome in 300AD.

And since you appear a bit clueless, let me also add. That post of mine was written to support your position.

My rhetorical question in regard to Matthew 3:11 was and is "was this baptism for "in order to obtain" repentance? OR was this baptism for "in regard to/on the basis of" remission of sins received upon repentance?" Obviously, the answer to my question is the latter. I understand that John knew they weren't qualified for his baptism. I was not quoting chapter 7 with the implication it was in context with chapter 3. I simply quoted it to make the same point from chapter 3 and was simply harmonizing scripture with scripture. You seem a bit over the top. Too much sugar?

 

[amigo de christo]

My rhetorical question in regard to Matthew 3:11 was and is "was this baptism for "in order to obtain" repentance? OR was this baptism for "in regard to/on the basis of" remission of sins received upon repentance?" Obviously, the answer to my question is the latter. I understand that John knew they weren't qualified for his baptism. I was not quoting chapter 7 with the implication it was in context with chapter 3. I simply quoted it to make the same point from chapter 3 and was simply harmonizing scripture with scripture. You seem a bit over the top. Too much sugar?

See , here is water what does HINDER me from being baptized .
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IF YE BELIEVE , IF YE BELIEVE in the glorious Christ Jesus you may be .........
POINT TO JESUS CHRIST to the last breath .

 

[Ritajanice]

You are a triune being do you even acknowledge that?

That word is not in the Bible...we aren’t allowed to discuss it either..

 

[amigo de christo]

That word is not in the Bible.

We simply believe what is written dear sister . John says it well in the first chapter of the gospel of john .
And lambs believe it .

 

[amigo de christo]

We simply believe what is written dear sister . John says well in the first chapter of the gospel of john .
And lambs believe it . The Word became flesh , GOD is His Word . TO the trenches and point to Christ till the last breath utters outta of those lungs .

 

[amigo de christo]

Embrace all the lovely pure words written in the scriptures . Feast daily and often .
Many decievers do abound in these last and final days upon earth .
And let all that has breath praise and thank and rejoice in the glorious LORD .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Really?

Show us scripture please.?

God told them they would die “ SPIRITUALLY “....?



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He told them they would die at the moment they sinned.

did they die physically when they sinned?

 

[Ritajanice]

He told them they would die at the moment they sinned.

did they die physically when they sinned?

My point was ,God did not say they died “spiritually “.....

It’s not what I say, it’s what God says...did God say they died physically?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My point was ,God did not say they died “spiritually “.....

It’s not what I say, it’s what God says...did God say they died physically?

They did die

So how did they die

we must be born again, why must we be born again. what is dead because of sin?

 

[Hillsage]

That word is not in the Bible...we aren’t allowed to discuss it either..

OK, I am in need then. I know nothing about being forbidden to talk about the T-word. Where is this info to be found?

 

[Ritajanice]

They did die

So how did they die

we must be born again, why must we be born again. what is dead because of sin?

Did you read my post.?

God did not say they died “ spiritually “......

I know exactly what was in me , I was dead in sin...I’m not here to discuss that.

I said.

God did not say they would die spiritually.

God says it better.

Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

New Living Translation
Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.

English Standard Version
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

Berean Standard Bible
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,

Berean Literal Bible
And you, being dead in your trespasses and sins--

King James Bible
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

 

[Ritajanice]

OK, I am in need then. I know nothing about being forbidden to talk about the T-word. Where is this info to be found?

Trinity is not allowed....have you read the terms..go look for it.

 

[Hillsage]

They did die

So how did they die

we must be born again, why must we be born again. what is dead because of sin?

Your spirit didn't have to be RESURRECTED. It had to "be born FROM ABOVE." (Joh 3:3 ESV) Just like the John Denver song Rocky Mountain High. The only problem with John Denver was his 'born again' experience, in that song, didn't come from as 'high' a place as my 'born again' experience. No verse anywhere says a spirit can die. It does say, more than once, that your body will die when your spirit leaves. You tell me how a dead spirit can give life to a body? Scripture please. I have 3.

LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once;

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit MY spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.
Death in those days was decided when they EXPIRED....or breathed their last. Your spirit can never die. Killing a spirit is like shooting a ghost with your 9mm.

JAM 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead,

Now give me ONE verse supporting your doctrine which came from where? Do you even know?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

OK, I am in need then. I know nothing about being forbidden to talk about the T-word. Where is this info to be found?

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[Eternally Grateful]

Did you read my post.?

God did not say they died “ spiritually “......

I know exactly what was in me , I was dead in sin...I’m not here to discuss that.

I said.

God did not say they would die spiritually.

God says it better.

Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

New Living Translation
Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.

English Standard Version
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins

Berean Standard Bible
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,

Berean Literal Bible
And you, being dead in your trespasses and sins--

King James Bible
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

You were spiritually dead.

there are two deaths, Physical (separation of the soul from the body

And spiritual (separation of the soul from God)

I know it does not say it in the word. But it is the word we use to denote separation from God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your spirit didn't have to be RESURRECTED. It had to "be born FROM ABOVE." (Joh 3:3 ESV) Just like the John Denver song Rocky Mountain High. The only problem with John Denver was his 'born again' experience, in that song, didn't come from as 'high' a place as my 'born again' experience. No verse anywhere says a spirit can die. It does say, more than once, that your body will die when your spirit leaves. You tell me how a dead spirit can give life to a body? Scripture please. I have 3.

LUK 8:54 But taking her by the hand he called, saying, "Child, arise."
55 And her spirit returned, and she got up at once;

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit MY spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.
Death in those days was decided when they EXPIRED....or breathed their last. Your spirit can never die. Killing a spirit is like shooting a ghost with your 9mm.

JAM 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead,

Now give me ONE verse supporting your doctrine which came from where? Do you even know?

My spirit was born dead. through adam.

That spirit had to be quickened. or given life.

Jesus calls that Life eternal life and he states emphatically, It will never die (John 3)

 

[Ritajanice]

You were spiritually dead.

there are two deaths, Physical (separation of the soul from the body

And spiritual (separation of the soul from God)

I know it does not say it in the word. But it is the word we use to denote separation from God.

Sorry, as I posted....I stand only on the word of God.

I’m not speaking on my own accord ....I speak from God’s Living word.

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Isaiah 59:1-2​

1 Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
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2 Thessalonians 1:9​

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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Romans 3:23​

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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Romans 6:23​

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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John 3:3​

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
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Isaiah 53:6​

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
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John 3:36​

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Romans 5:12​

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
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Romans 8:38-39​

38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Hillsage]

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Thank you LAMB for helping a 74 year old in a time of need. This has been the most difficult forum I've ever been on to navigate. And not discussing the T-word????? Well, that's certainly a first for me. Now, when will I have time to go LOOK and then READ for the 'particulars' of this ban?

 

[Ritajanice]

You were spiritually dead.

there are two deaths, Physical (separation of the soul from the body

And spiritual (separation of the soul from God)

I know it does not say it in the word. But it is the word we use to denote separation from God.

Then use scripture, these are your words....same as I’ve posted my words on many occasions......Nope...I am being led by the Holy Spirit to only post HIS word.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

@Hillsage
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