Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[TinMan]

Paul believes that homosexuality is a passion that degrades one of the partners involved, causing them to feel disrespected, humiliated, and contemptuous. Such degradation often leads to low self-esteem, depression, anxiety, anger, or hopelessness, which can cause a lot of stress and pain. Consequently, some individuals may resort to substances to cope or escape from such negative emotions.

Disrespect, humiliation, contempt degradation are all hallmarks of what you say about LGBT individuals. You are part of the problem

 

[TinMan]

Okay, you found some article titles. Did you read any of the articles?

Yes and many of them are interesting reads. I would ask if you have read any...but we all know the answer to that.

We already discussed that homosexuals have a higher risk of substance abuse, which impairs judgment and can lead to suicide. I argued that the most common and obvious reason why a gay man might commit suicide is that his "partner" continually degrades him, abuses him, humiliates him, and holds him in contempt. Homosexuality is a degrading passion, which is why it leads to an increase and substance abuse and suicide.

And this here is a shining example of the bigotry that the researchers look at.

 

[TinMan]

I'm sure many homosexual people must feel conflicted/confused on some level, which would be tormenting in itself.

As noted in the research that is caused by external sources

And not to mention that many of them have suffered abuse or neglect or rejection etc when they were young.

LGBT youth aren't abused any more or less than their peers until about the age of 13 when it sky rockets. This increase has been tied to family members finding out about their orientation. If anyone needs ministering it's the people who respond to their child being outed by picking up a baseball bat.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I'm sure many homosexual people must feel conflicted/confused

Of course they do!

They are living in opposition to how God made them.

That causes all kinds of conflicts confusion and in the end spending eternity in hell.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Disrespect, humiliation, contempt degradation are all hallmarks of what you say about LGBT individuals. You are part of the problem

No. If I say that homosexuals degrade each other, it doesn't follow that I am degrading them.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes and many of them are interesting reads. I would ask if you have read any...but we all know the answer to that.

So you didn't read them all?

And this here is a shining example of the bigotry that the researchers look at.

It isn't bigotry. The fact that homosexual behavior is degrading is self-evident.

 

[BarneyFife]

Sorry the association is very well documented.


Charles P. Hoy-Ellis (2023) Minority Stress and Mental Health: A Review of the Literature, Journal of Homosexuality

Ventriglio, A., Castaldelli-Maia, J., Torales, J., De Berardis, D., & Bhugra, D. (2021). Homophobia and mental health: A scourge of modern era. Epidemiology and Psychiatric Sciences

Mendoza-Perez, J. C., & Ortiz-Hernandez, L. (2021). Association Between Overt and Subtle Experiences of Discrimination and Violence and Mental Health in Homosexual and Bisexual Men Journal of Interpersonal Violence

Götz Mundle, Lieselotte Mahler & Dinesh Bhugra (2015) Homosexuality and Mental Health, International Review of Psychiatry,

M.J. Rotherman-Borus Suicidal Behavior and Gay-Related Stress among Gay and Bisexual Male Adolescents Journal of adolescent research 2013

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But why would anyone want to read through all of that stuff when they can just read the Bible and see that the practice of homosexuality is sinful?

I'm sure this seems like an obnoxious over-simplification but it's actually a serious, albeit rhetorical question.

There are many contributing factors to clinical depression. It's no surprise that stress-causing dissonance within social and cultural constructs could be a culprit.

What science has shown is that depression and substance abuse issues in LGBT people are tied directly to discrimination and harassment and rejection and being the target of so many lies form people so desperate to justify their own prejudices that they are willing to like about things like life expectancy.

Other science has shown that this kind of A-to-C thinking renders people psychiatric cripples. Activating events don't result in emotional Consequences without first passing through the filter of Beliefs that dictate feelings.

This is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy 101 which is becoming the gold standard in psychological counseling treatment.

Why cognitive behavioral therapy is the current gold standard of psychotherapy

scholars.mssm.edu

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[Wrangler]

Sorry the association is very well documented.

This post reminds me the thread I started on the politicization of science. You actually think “SCIENCE” can make a wrong a right.

At the same time, deny any and all science that undermines your pride in sinning.

 

[Wrangler]

No, you just insisted that something published by a vanity press company by a disgraced college professor is totally scientific and beyond reproach.

And you think personal attacks against the ‘disgraced’ researcher invalidates the legitimate work by him and others.

Just a question for you; IF there was science out there showing how the homosexual life style was harmful, would you stop advocating for it on those grounds?

 

[Wrangler]

Some people misunderstand science. They don't realize that science has two parts: 1) data collection, and 2) data interpretation (conclusion.) In this case, scientists have collected enough data to see that homosexuals have a much higher rate of substance abuse than the general population. The numbers are indisputable but the scientific conclusions are opinions

True. Also, the politicization of science extends to studying and considering data in support of a predetermined conclusion.

For instance, suppose you are a climate fanatic and spend $1 million dollars to show how bad the good life is ‘hurting’ the planet. Not only would you be disappointed when the study does not support that conclusion, everyone knows more research dollars will NOT flow to academia.

They say follow the science. The wise man follows the money - and Biblical principles.

 

[TinMan]

No. If I say that homosexuals degrade each other, it doesn't follow that I am degrading them.

and saying that is...degrading and loaded with contempt.

 

[TinMan]

So you didn't read them all?


It isn't bigotry. The fact that homosexual behavior is degrading is self-evident.

as is bigotry

 

[Naomanos]

Blind post as I haven't read through all the posts, but do you think only Democrats are homosexual?

If, so that is a pretty naive and black and white view.

 

[amigo de christo]

That's not true. Depression is the outcome of unresolved guilt. And substance abuse is part of the hedonistic lifestyle.

Heres proof you are correct too . This is the year two thousand and twenty three . MANY peoples rise as one
and call folks like me a monster , hater , sick , mentally ill and scores of other names . YET I AINT ALL DEPRESSED
and ready to kill myself over it . CAUSE i have REAL HOPE . Yet they whine and act like they gonna kill themselves
if someone dont ACCEPT THEM as they beleive themselves to be . STARK DIFFERENCE . BIG TIME DIFFRENCE INDEED .
They love sin and want to FEEL accepted , be told its good . THERE IS NO PEACE unto the wicked .
Their mind cannot have peace . the only version of peace it can have is , YE MUST AGREE WITH THEM
ON this path it will lead to the minds becoming so fearful so resentful against those who wont AGREE
that , WELL LETS JUST GET RID OF THOSE WHO DONT AGREE so we dont have to hear them or be reminded
THE WICKED cannot find rest when TRUTH exposes the very sin they love . Only fear , anger and hate against such truth .
against such folks who speak such truth . OH i can see quite clearly the path this world is on .
THE SOLUTION its gonna lead too as well . RID the earth of TRUTH , REMINDERS OF TRUTH
and YES those who wont conform but SPEAK TRUTH . OH YEAH ITS COMING . But no fear .
THE LAMBS HAVE THE LORD , OUR END IS GOOD . FOREVER WITH THE KING .

 

[amigo de christo]

Blind post as I haven't read through all the posts, but do you think only Democrats are homosexual?

If, so that is a pretty naive and black and white view.

cocerning satans , yeah satans dark rainbow , My guess is homosexaulity itself is
darn near the same on BOTH SIDES . that is the one sin that even conservatives have fast sold out too .
Now as far as transgendersim the liberal side still leads in that one , but only when it comes to children .
BOTH SIDES have sold out and i wont heed NEITHER ONE OF THEM . I HEED BIBLE . my advice , DO THE SAME .

 

[TinMan]

But why would anyone want to read through all of that stuff when they can just read the Bible and see that the practice of homosexuality is sinful?

How about to confront a false claim with evidence?

How about to find out the truth?

I'm sure this seems like an obnoxious over-simplification but it's actually a serious, albeit rhetorical question.

There are many contributing factors to clinical depression. It's no surprise that stress-causing dissonance within social and cultural constructs could be a culprit.

And another reason to read is to discover the evidence that being the targets of hate and discrimination and rejection are the direct cause of the various mental health problems. It's not a function of belief it is the actual cause.

Other science has shown that this kind of A-to-C thinking renders people psychiatric cripples. Activating events don't result in emotional Consequences without first passing through the filter of Beliefs that dictate feelings.

This is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy 101 which is becoming the gold standard in psychological counseling treatment.

Why cognitive behavioral therapy is the current gold standard of psychotherapy

scholars.mssm.edu

.

Cognitive behaviorism also notes that external events change beliefs. You repeatedly tell a child that they are a sinful pervert and should live in fear and shame....they will believe you.

 

[TinMan]

This post reminds me the thread I started on the politicization of science. You actually think “SCIENCE” can make a wrong a right.

At the same time, deny any and all science that undermines your pride in sinning.

Yes, that is exactly what you do.

 

[amigo de christo]

Blind post as I haven't read through all the posts, but do you think only Democrats are homosexual?

If, so that is a pretty naive and black and white view.

Many on the consevative side are either homosexual themselves or support it as well .
ITS ALL being blended now . the peoples rise more and more as one and soon will heed SIE SOLUTION of SIE BEAST .
SOON you all will align with IT and its solution . And folks like me who conformed not , WELL
lets just say you all wont have a problem with the so called re education camps mentality . FOLKS HAVE SOLD GOD
CHRIST OUT for the lies of men . THIS LAMB will have no part in it . RATHER i shall expose the wicked deeds OF BOTH SIDES .
My advice , DONT MAKE YOUR TENT in either parties camp. THEY BOTH SERVE SATAN now . its only a matter of time
till they UNIFY as one against , BIBLCIAL NON CONFORMING JESUS FOLLOWING LAMBS .

 

[BarneyFife]

Heres proof you are correct too . This is the year two thousand and twenty three . MANY peoples rise as one
and call folks like me a monster , hater , sick , mentally ill and scores of other names . YET I AINT ALL DEPRESSED
and ready to kill myself over it . CAUSE i have REAL HOPE . Yet they whine and act like they gonna kill themselves
if someone dont ACCEPT THEM as they beleive themselves to be . STARK DIFFERENCE . BIG TIME DIFFRENCE INDEED .
They love sin and want to FEEL accepted , be told its good . THERE IS NO PEACE unto the wicked .
Their mind cannot have peace . the only version of peace it can have is , YE MUST AGREE WITH THEM
ON this path it will lead to the minds becoming so fearful so resentful against those who wont AGREE
that , WELL LETS JUST GET RID OF THOSE WHO DONT AGREE so we dont have to hear them or be reminded
THE WICKED cannot find rest when TRUTH exposes the very sin they love . Only fear , anger and hate against such truth .
against such folks who speak such truth . OH i can see quite clearly the path this world is on .
THE SOLUTION its gonna lead too as well . RID the earth of TRUTH , REMINDERS OF TRUTH
and YES those who wont conform but SPEAK TRUTH . OH YEAH ITS COMING . But no fear .
THE LAMBS HAVE THE LORD , OUR END IS GOOD . FOREVER WITH THE KING .

I like this, I really do. I just wish it sounded more like "righteousness vs. sin" than "us vs. them."

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[amigo de christo]

What a fresh, piping hot, stinky load of horse hockey that is!
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No sir not horse hockey . cause at least horse hockey is good for something , like fertilzer .
Just rotted dung is more like it .