Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[Chadrho]

Your rhetoric is losing all connection with reality.

Just watched a CBN interview with the top IDF General. He has stated their goal is the same as the Allies during WWII; ABSOLUTE VICTORY;, complete extermination of Hamas. Amen.

1. News outlets are in a sketchy business so grain of salt with all of them, but CBN is hardly reliable. No one of them these days are Walter Cronkite, but CBN is smitten with agenda and should be treated as such.

2. Your commensuration with the destruction of humans is gross and not at all like Christ. I'm surprised by this because the few interactions I've had with you gave me the definite impression that you are very much concerned about what is good and right. Strange. I guess the extermination of those who bear the image of God is good.

 

[Wrangler]

Your commensuration with the destruction of humans is gross

All you got is personal attacks. This is war; people die in war.

We can lament the need for war. The lamenting doesn’t change the necessity.

 

[Wrangler]

News outlets are in a sketchy business so grain of salt with all of them, but CBN is hardly reliable. No one of them these days are Walter Cronkite, but CBN is smitten with agenda and should be treated as such.

As if Walter Cronkite was not agenda driven! It’s not the news outlet; it’s the statement by IDF’s top general.

 

[The Learner]

Let's look at the first verses you cited and check

Zech. 14:2-4
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


Zechariah 14:3
Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

His feet only stand on earth after the tribulation so of course I am sure

Zechariah 14
Easy-to-Read Version
The Day of Judgment
14 Look, the Lord has a special day of judgment coming, when the riches you have taken will be divided in your city. 2 I will bring all the nations together to fight against Jerusalem. They will capture the city and destroy the houses. The women will be raped, and half of the people will be taken away as prisoners. But the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go to war with those nations. It will be a real battle. 4 At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives, the hill east of Jerusalem. The Mount of Olives will split in half. Part of the mountain will move to the north, and part to the south. A deep valley will open up, from the east to the west. 5 You will try to run away as that mountain valley comes closer and closer to you. You will run away like the time you ran from the earthquake during the time of King Uzziah of Judah. But the Lord my God will come, and all his holy ones[a] will be with him.

6-7 That will be a very special day. There will not be any light, cold, or frost. Only the Lord knows how, but there will not be any day or night. Then, when darkness usually comes, there will still be light. 8 At that time water will flow continually from Jerusalem. That stream will split and part of it will flow east, and part of it will flow west to the Mediterranean Sea. And it will flow all year long, in the summer as well as in the winter. 9 And the Lord will be the King of the whole world. At that time all people will worship him as the only Lord with only one name. 10 And the whole land from Geba in the north to Rimmon in the south past Jerusalem will become a flat plain. The city of Jerusalem will stay in the same place, but it will be built high above the land around it. It will reach from the Benjamin Gate to the First Gate (that is, the Corner Gate) and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses. 11 People will move to Jerusalem because it will be a safe place to live. It will never again be destroyed.

12 But the Lord will punish the nations that fought against Jerusalem. He will send a terrible disease against them. Their skin will begin to rot while the people are still alive. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13-15 That terrible disease will be in the enemy camp, and all their horses, mules, camels, and donkeys will catch that terrible disease.

At that time they will be afraid of the Lord. Each man will grab his neighbor’s hand, and they will fight each other. Even Judah will fight against Jerusalem. This will happen even while armies from all the nations are surrounding the city. There will be much gold, silver, and clothing. 16 Some of the people who came to fight Jerusalem will survive. And every year they will come to worship the king, the Lord All-Powerful. They will come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters. 17 And if people from any of the families on earth don’t go to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord All-Powerful, no rain will fall on their land. 18 If any of the families in Egypt don’t come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters, they will get that terrible disease that the Lord caused the enemy nations to get. 19 That will be the punishment for Egypt, and for any other nation that does not come to celebrate the Festival of Shelters.

20 At that time even the harnesses on the horses will have the label, holy to the lord.[c] And all the pots used in the Lord’s Temple will be just as important as the bowls used at the altar. 21 In fact, every dish in Jerusalem and Judah will have the label, holy to the lord all-powerful. All the people offering sacrifices will come, take those dishes, and cook their special meals in them.

At that time there will not be any merchants buying and selling things[d] in the Temple of the Lord All-Powerful.

Footnotes
Zechariah 14:5 holy ones Here, this probably means angels.
Zechariah 14:8 water … Jerusalem Literally, “living water will flow from Jerusalem.” Jerusalem’s main water supply, the Gihon spring, did not flow continuously.
Zechariah 14:20 Holy to the Lord These words were written on everything that was used in the Temple. This showed that these things belonged to the Lord, and that they could be used only for special purposes. Dishes with this labels could be used only by the priests in a holy place.
Zechariah 14:21 merchants … selling things Literally, “Canaanites.”

 

[Chadrho]

All you got is personal attacks. This is war; people die in war.

We can lament the need for war. The lamenting doesn’t change the necessity.

You want the extermination of a set of people, but "personal attacks" are an issue. Yes, this is war. The goal is peace not more war. You seem to think they need exterminating. They don't agree; they want life and claim oppression. There are two sides to this particular issue, both of which need to be acknowledged. This didn't just start a few weeks ago.

Besides, only a fool would fail to see what you want will lead to a much larger conflict with the potential to draw all of us into it. Put your guns away, cowboy.

 

[The Learner]

skipped ahead, don't see much new stuff

 

[Triumph1300]

My response to all of this is: Pray for peace, pray that the Amaz and Hezballah fighters get to know Jesus Christ.
Same for all Palestinian and Jewish people. That's the bottom line in all of this.

 

[Chadrho]

As if Walter Cronkite was not agenda driven! It’s not the newsletter; it’s the statement by IDF’s top general.

Fair point, but you know the IDF top general is not giving an unbiased assessment.

 

[Wrangler]

You want the extermination of a set of people

That’s the goal of war; the extermination of the enemy. Typical Leftist, confusing people with evil ideas held by enemies. See Nazi German. See Empire if Japan. See Roman Empire. See Confederate States of America. See Ottoman Empire. See Hamas.

 

[Wrangler]

There are two sides to this particular issue

Wars tend to have two sides. You’re so insightful!

 

[Wrangler]

what you want will lead to a much larger conflict with the potential to draw all of us into it. Put your guns away, cowboy.

No. This is war and has nothing to do with my guns, Indian.

 

[Wrangler]

Fair point, but you know the IDF top general is not giving an unbiased assessment.

It’s not an assessment. It’s a policy.

 

[Chadrho]

It’s not an assessment. It’s a policy.

Extermination is not the best policy, my mother used to say.

 

[dad]

I'm thinking the terrorism has been coming from both sides for decades. Nonetheless, Israel is the more powerful side and the poor Palestinians are trapped. Hamas cannot be equated with the Palestinian people. Of course, all Israelis cannot be equated with the Israeli gov't. It's a mess of mutual retribution that needs to stop.

You have a balanced view and I see nothing to argue with.

Two state solution?

I am not sure of any possible answer there. I looked up the Balfour declaration the other day to respond to a post and was surprised it advocated Israel be set up IN the land of Palestine. Sort of like sharing the land, as opposed to the way it went down of taking the lands of others. So as it stands I suspect that the Palestinians may be too angry at all that was done to them over the decades to want to share the land any more. Personally it would not bother me if Israel decided to take the high road and leave the place altogether. That way God would bring them back anyhow and give it all to them, and more once they get saved when the time comes. But since they are unbelievers now I don't think they would either want to share the land or leave it. So what's left? The time of Jacob's trouble.

 

[dad]

I'm thinking the terrorism has been coming from both sides for decades. Nonetheless, Israel is the more powerful side and the poor Palestinians are trapped. Hamas cannot be equated with the Palestinian people. Of course, all Israelis cannot be equated with the Israeli gov't. It's a mess of mutual retribution that needs to stop.

You have a balanced view and I see nothing to argue with.

Two state solution?

I am not sure of any possible answer there. I looked up the Balfour declaration the other day to respond to a post and was surprised it advocated Israel be set up IN the land of Palestine. Sort of like sharing the land, as opposed to the way it went down of taking the lands of others. So as it stands I suspect that the Palestinians may be too angry at all that was done to them over the decades to want to share the land any more. Personally it would not bother me if Israel decided to take the high road and leave the place altogether. That way God would bring them back anyhow and give it all to them, and more once they get saved when the time comes. But since they are unbelievers now I don't think they would either want to share the land or leave it. So what's left? The time of Jacob's trouble.

Your rhetoric is losing all connection with reality.

Just watched a CBN interview with the top IDF General. He has stated their goal is the same as the Allies during WWII; ABSOLUTE VICTORY;, complete extermination of Hamas. Amen.

Everyone has goals. I would not bet the farm on them

 

[Chadrho]

That’s the goal of war; the extermination of the enemy. Typical Leftist, confusing people with evil ideas held by enemies. See Nazi German. See Empire if Japan. See Roman Empire. See Confederate States of America. See Ottoman Empire. See Hamas.

I get it. And, I definitely agree. It's the way of the world. The world's kingdoms crush evil by force. The kingdoms of this world operate by force, violence, and war. That is not the way of Christ. His power so far exceeds the destructive power of human force that he can let humans kill him and he pops right back up. That's what true power looks like. We can participate in that or not, but we shouldn't get them confused. C.S. Lewis was right: we satisfy ourselves with mud pies because we don't know what it's like to have a holiday at the beach. If we're afraid and willing to kill to save our lives, we should just say so. I think we all understand. But we can't confuse that fear with anything related to Christ. We are called to be resurrection people, not people of destruction. Call me a liberal or whatever, I know Christ.

 

[dad]

My response to all of this is: Pray for peace, pray that the Amaz and Hezballah fighters get to know Jesus Christ.
Same for all Palestinian and Jewish people. That's the bottom line in all of this.

So wish for world peace basically.

 

[Chadrho]

No. This is war and has nothing to do with my guns, Indian.

Touche.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Let's look at the first verses you cited and check

Zech. 14:2-4
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


Zechariah 14:3
Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

His feet only stand on earth after the tribulation so of course I am sure

Right, these things happen towards the end of this time period. So what part of my post are you refuting? I basically said, it's the beginning of sorrows, wars, rumors of wars and the devastation thus far has been allowed by God but much worse is coming. It's all in His plan that will pan out.

 

[Jack]

God blesses those who are peacekeepers. The meek will inherit the earth not the terrorists. As for those who say they are Jews outwardly but are not really inside their heart, Jesus says this

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
When Israel believes they will be Israel and Jews in His eyes. We are not to pray for unbelieving nations especially when they are engaged in mass killing children. We are to pray for the innocent and give them the love of God. Something Israel today does not have in them.

Every time you speak against Israel!

Genesis 12
3 I will curse him who curses you;