Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[bluedragon]

Mastered a subject and forgetting a pencil is like going fishing in a volcano.

Let's move you Israel. After a year or two of being constantly bombed day and night .....Let's see how you sleep at night ........

 

[Truthnightmare]

Let's move you Israel. After a year or two of being constantly bombed day and night .....Let's see how you sleep at night ........

Why are they there to begin with?

 

[dad]

Another failed attempt at moral equivalence where there is none. Whenever reason leads to presurring Hamas to stop acts of terror, you cannot bring yourself to simply say, yes.

You have to throw out the 'They all should,' again falsely implying that Israel is engaging in acts of terror, in denial of recent events. Not very intellectually honest at all.

What is not honest is thinking Israel has some mysterious right to kill civilians. Go after the bad guys or stay home.

 

[dad]

This is just the beggining of a war that will escalate into ten nations, ( led by Iran - who already has several on board), against the nation Israel (referred to as Jerusalem in scripture) and Jesus will return and destroy all nations who come against Jerusalem.
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
Zech. 14:2-4 (see also Zech. 12, Ezek. 38, Rev. 13)

The verses you cite are at the end of the tribulation. Any war before that is another story. We have not even started that seven year period yet

 

[bluedragon]

Why are they there to begin with?

Study history son .....otherwise shut up.

 

[Wrangler]

What is not honest is thinking Israel has some mysterious right to kill civilians. Go after the bad guys or stay home.

Too bad Hamas did not uphold your fine moral code in not exercise the right to kill civilians.

Ridiculously wrong! You are invoking the fallacy of False Alternative. The 3rd alternative is war! We are 9/11 way past police activity, going after bad guys. You can pontificate to one side of the conflict but it is so much wind in the air.

You do not get it! In war, civilians have always been the primary target of the military. Look it up.

 

[dad]

This is just the beggining of a war that will escalate into ten nations, ( led by Iran - who already has several on board), against the nation Israel (referred to as Jerusalem in scripture) and Jesus will return and destroy all nations who come against Jerusalem.
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.
Zech. 14:2-4 (see also Zech. 12, Ezek. 38, Rev. 13)
The verses you cite are at the end of the tribulation. Any war before that is another story. We have not even started that seven year period yet

Nor did Charles Manson, but that does not give Israel a right to slaughter families.

Too bad Hamas did not uphold your fine moral code in not exercise the right to kill civilians.

Too bad you seek to emulate Hamas.

Ridiculously wrong! You are invoking the fallacy of False Alternative. The 3rd alternative is war! We are 9/11 way past police activity, going after bad guys. You can pontificate to one side of the conflict but it is so much wind in the air.

The alternative God does not like is the terrorist alternative, mass murdering kids.

You do not get it! In war, civilians have always been the primary target of the military. Look it up.

I seem to recall armies fighting each other? You claim the primary target is non combatants? So is that not what Hamas thinks as well?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The verses you cite are at the end of the tribulation. Any war before that is another story. We have not even started that seven year period yet

Are your sure about that? The Antichrist may already be riding on his horse. It is not another story. Jesus told the story briefly in Matthew 24. Wars and rumors of wars, famine, pestilence, earthquakes in various places is the "beginning of sorrows", part of the story.

 

[Wrangler]

Nor did Charles Manson, but that does not give Israel a right to slaughter families.

Friend. You are in denial. ‘Rights’ is the language of legalities. Israel is at war.

I stand with Israel so help me God.

 

[Wrangler]

Too bad you seek to emulate Hamas.

Reacting to violence is NOT emulating Hamas.

 

[Wrangler]

The alternative God does not like is the terrorist alternative, mass murdering kids.

Again, God ordered the kllling of children and babies.

 

[Wrangler]

I seem to recall armies fighting each other? You claim the primary target is non combatants? So is that not what Hamas thinks as well?

You are extremely ignorant of the history of war.

 

[Chadrho]

Is bombing apartment buildings and etc a war any more than the terrorists who killed innocent people in Israel was a war? Also, what is the Christian position on this? Some preachers say we must pray for 'Israel' and support it, as well as the massive revenge happening, ??

Who cares what preachers say? We each have the Spirit to know what is good and just. Modern Israel is not by default always right. Both sides in this war have decades of history doing horrendous acts to the other side. Christians should pray for peace, first and foremost, and for what is just and right for both sides. So, yes, they should stop and seek peace not revenge. Plenty have died for the sake of revenge. Revenge is as about as un-Christ-like as one could want. And, we should pray as followers of Jesus Christ not as Americans. America is simply one more worldly kingdom.

 

[dad]

Are your sure about that? The Antichrist may already be riding on his horse. It is not another story. Jesus told the story briefly in Matthew 24. Wars and rumors of wars, famine, pestilence, earthquakes in various places is the "beginning of sorrows", part of the story.

Let's look at the first verses you cited and check

Zech. 14:2-4
Zechariah 14:2
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


Zechariah 14:3
Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.


Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

His feet only stand on earth after the tribulation so of course I am sure

 

[dad]

Friend. You are in denial. ‘Rights’ is the language of legalities. Israel is at war.

I stand with Israel so help me God.

Then you are out of luck, God is not with unsaved nations committing terrorism

 

[dad]

Again, God ordered the kllling of children and babies.

None of your business today. Do you claim God is ordering some war somewhere??

 

[dad]

You are extremely ignorant of the history of war.

If your definition of war is killing as many civilians as possible don't accuse Hamas of anything but war.

 

[dad]

Who cares what preachers say? We each have the Spirit to know what is good and just. Modern Israel is not by default always right. Both sides in this war have decades of history doing horrendous acts to the other side. Christians should pray for peace, first and foremost, and for what is just and right for both sides. So, yes, they should stop and seek peace not revenge. Plenty have died for the sake of revenge. Revenge is as about as un-Christ-like as one could want. And, we should pray as followers of Jesus Christ not as Americans. America is simply one more worldly kingdom.

I agree that Christians should be on the side of what is right and just. Like God is. Who cares what many major preachers say? Millions of people. Maybe not so much anymore with the obvious terrorism from Israel.

 

[Chadrho]

I agree that Christians should be on the side of what is right and just. Like God is. Who cares what many major preachers say? Millions of people. Maybe not so much anymore with the obvious terrorism from Israel.

I'm thinking the terrorism has been coming from both sides for decades. Nonetheless, Israel is the more powerful side and the poor Palestinians are trapped. Hamas cannot be equated with the Palestinian people. Of course, all Israelis cannot be equated with the Israeli gov't. It's a mess of mutual retribution that needs to stop. Two state solution?

 

[Wrangler]

If your definition of war is killing as many civilians as possible don't accuse Hamas of anything but war.

Your rhetoric is losing all connection with reality.

Just watched a CBN interview with the top IDF General. He has stated their goal is the same as the Allies during WWII; ABSOLUTE VICTORY;, complete extermination of Hamas. Amen.