Hamas has attacked Israel with 5000 rockets, 100 dead Israelis. Israel and Hamas now at war

[marks]

This will be the topic which will divide the world. Great war will be fought over this very thing, and Jesus will judge according to this.

Matthew 25:31-46 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36) Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39) Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Don't find yourself fighting against God.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

It didn't happen yet. The gospel to the wirld was just hetting off the ground when this letter to the Romans was written. Romans 11 is referinf tobtjr end times, "when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in". Thay when after almist 2000 years of spreadinf the gospel to the entire world is complete, that everyone in the Book of Life is accounted for. Jesus reiterates this in Matthew 24:14 when He said, the gospel will be preached to every nation, tribe and then THE END WILL COME.
The end did not come in 70 AD. That was one small city, a million deaths, not the entire world.
YOU are the one putting a spin on these scriptures.
>> This is the problem we Pre-Millennialists have with Preterists or Partial Preterists, there is a wall between us preventing any resolution or unity.
Also _ to add to this _ your Non-Trinitarian view really has an effect on your overall discernment of scripture. Our faith must be based on our understanding of who Christ is and what He accomplished. If that is wrong, likely you don't have the Holy Spirit since you don't know Him either! He guides us into all truth and discernment. We are to be baptized into His name along with the name of the Father and the Son. But that topic is taboo in this forum, opps.

'..getting off the ground..'.mmm. Romans is about the 'end' times....?? Yes, 2000 years of preaching it and it will never end by your definition because you will never get 100% coverage, believe me. It is not assured. And that is just one reason why this creative thinking is not in scripture and is wrong. It never means meant this...

No one said 'the world' equaled Jerusalem, you did, or inferred it. It was the mark of the destruction of the old system and its people in the process -spiritually and many physically lost their lives. There still was a known world out there at the time, and when the gospel was shared amongst it along with the end of Jerusalem, 'the end' according to scripture occurred. This is the end! This is scriptural!

The 'end' does not mean the END when 100% preaching the gospel occurs and then Christ 'returns.' That idea is not in context with Matthew or in Romans. It is a far-fetched wishful thinking idea that is not credible.

It was the preaching the gospel to the world and every nation of the world known in that generation of the gospel writers, period.

So how and when would one know know when this 'end' that is not defined in scripture, as you define it occurs?

It has been 50 generations plus into the future already since the words of Matthew and Romans were written down.

You cannot even gauge when gospel preaching saturates 100% of the known world in every generation and counting. In every generation there are new people being born in all nations and then in each generation the gospel will have to be preached all over again. It will never end. Do you see my point. When do you determine that say 90% is sufficient for 'your end' or should it be 99%, and when does that happen? Do we tag everyone like in a digital census to know that every person has heard the gospel that we say to ourselves, well Christ must be coming very very soon? Too funny.

By your way of thinking we have to keep preaching for ever in the hope that you have 100% coverage.

The gospel to all the world meant to the known world since the Day of Pentecost. There has to be a finite end point of this preaching to the world and this would have occurred in one generation or two in the 1st century....not 50 plus and still counting.......

No, the end for Christ's 'return' never occurred in 70AD. The end of the 'old system' finally ended, never to be resurrected again, And then we see today many people saying that this is not true either...what about many of the modern Jews, they still are practicing the old system ..they need to be saved etc....pity on them...

So if anyone is placing a spin on scripture, you are doing this, not I.....really!

Believe what you will of course...

 

[BlessedPeace]

JUST IN: Iran appears to back down and announces they won’t be assisting Hamas as they say they will *not* be directly involved in the Israel-Hamas war. In an announcement to the United Nations in New York, Iran said “the resistance can defend themselves.” “Iran's armed forces will not engage, provided that the Israeli apartheid does not dare to attack Iran, its interests, and nationals. The resistance front can defend itself.” Great news… if they’re telling the truth. The development comes after Iran's Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian met with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh in Qatar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713813310284628099

Not directly involved. But indirectly....could be another matter.

 

[marks]

It didn't happen yet. The gospel to the wirld was just hetting off the ground when this letter to the Romans was written. Romans 11 is referinf tobtjr end times, "when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in". Thay when after almist 2000 years of spreadinf the gospel to the entire world is complete, that everyone in the Book of Life is accounted for. Jesus reiterates this in Matthew 24:14 when He said, the gospel will be preached to every nation, tribe and then THE END WILL COME.

We can know this easily from the rest of the prophecy.

Isaiah 59:20-21 KJV
20) And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21) As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

We can know this easily from the rest of the prophecy.

Isaiah 59:20-21 KJV
20) And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21) As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

Much love!

You are looking in the wrong place for your future fulfillment of prophecy IMO. Isa 59: 20-21 already happened I'm afraid..again IMO and with scripture to boot!

 

[BlessedPeace]

You are looking in the wrong place for your future fulfillment of prophecy IMO. Isa 59: 20-21 already happened I'm afraid..again IMO and with scripture to boot!

So boot,and post the scripture.

 

[marks]

You are looking in the wrong place for your future fulfillment of prophecy IMO. Isa 59: 20-21 already happened I'm afraid..again IMO and with scripture to boot!

Don't expect replies from me.

Much love!

 

[mailmandan]

Israel targets military targets, Hamas targets civilians. There is no comparison to me in their actions.

Much love!

Ecclessiastes 3:1 - to everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven:
2 A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
3 A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;
4 A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;
7 A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;
8 A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

 

[APAK]

This will be the topic which will divide the world. Great war will be fought over this very thing, and Jesus will judge according to this.

Matthew 25:31-46 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34) Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36) Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39) Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40) And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42) For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44) Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Don't find yourself fighting against God.

Much love!

marks: this is scripture that is appropriate for these trying and uncertain times, indeed.

I hope some folks don't construe this scripture here as pitting one political entity or nation or State or even a 'strip' of land of people against one another, and with one mind and heart, set on being the sheep and the other of the goat. Where one believes there are the good guys and the other bad, according to our lord. And that one should help those 'good' guys that Christ would side with and not the other. That would be a biased worldly political view indeed.

What we do in the lord's favor, view and his encouragement is to meet every person we see in real need and we have the means, is to be driven by the Spirit of God via himself to assist in love, of heart and then if possible and appropriate with our hands, as a genuine neighbor. And if we do this giving and doing, absent of the Spirit of God, under other circumstances then this is selfish and self-serving, with the inability to only glorifying God.

Human politics has always found a way to rational and place God where we want him to be................on our side

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So how and when would one know know when this 'end' that is not defined in scripture, as you define it occurs?

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. MATTHEW 24:14

It says every nation and we could go as fare as every tribe which recently has been accomplished! It doesn't say every soul. Of course the gospel could not be preached to everyone before the end comes - since there are 385k babies born each day and it takes a a child hears to even grasp the language.

You cannot even gauge when gospel preaching saturates 100% of the known world in every generation and counting. In every generation there are new people being born in all nations and then in each generation the gospel will have to be preached all over again. It will never end. Do you see my point.

Again, all nationsnof the world. Every adult has heard about Jesus. And God has ordained His plan to gather His own at a specific time in history. There is an exact number in that Book of Life.
An adult makes a decision for Christ and the Bible says, "You and your household will be saved". So if you are saved, your young ones will be too! Of course when they reach the age of accountability, knowing right from wrong, they are responsible to make their own decision. As for the children of reprobates? I doubt it. Why would God choose them?

 

[Scott Downey]

The coming Gaza invasion plans, fighting will be bloody and block by block. 600,000 Gazans already moved south.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Not directly involved. But indirectly....could be another matter.

And planed in advance, Both Ukraine and this with Israel.

Joe Biden gets in and look his Mob feed them Wars. The snail trail leads to Joe Biden and his Mob, lefty's and their works must be understood, for they are at war 24/7 using every and any means and their " means to an ends" is their motto !

Such intentions of theirs should be exposed, you see the wars set on everything going on from promoting sexual depravity and everything that is Godless !
For they are Anti-Christ in fact, Bible says, You will know them by their works !
They are full of deceptions and delusions, masters of such in fact !

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I hope some folks don't construe this scripture here as pitting one political entity or nation or State or even a 'strip' of land of people against one another, and with one mind and heart, set on being the sheep and the other of the goat. Where one believes there are the good guys and the other bad, according to our lord. And that one should help those 'good' guys that Christ would side with and not the other. That would be a biased worldly political view indeed.

We read the scripture literally, take it at face value with additional deep spiritual insights as well.
Judgment Day has nothing to do with our past efforts to evangelize the lost. At that time, our part will have already been done. Think of it as a judgment in a courtoom, the criminals have already been convicted and now their judge delivers the verdict- DEATH. Whether you can grasp this or not, God knew long before what their verdict would be.
It is sad to think that so many will not make it.
"... for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction,"
The wages of sin is death! Receive Christ's forgiveness or suffer the consequences.
The judgment then IS GOD'S judgement. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats. This will be sweet for us and bitter for them. We did not write history. It is God's plan to reconcile His chosen sheep throughout history and His plan to separate good and evil has about reached its precipice, a 6,000 year plan that is almost complete, within years.
You misconstrued most scripture with this symbolic view that is out of touch with reality.
Billions will be saved ... and billions will die when He returns. And the world will them be at peace. Sin ad evil will be put down for 1000 years. And every knee will bow because all inhabitants on earth will be Christian, ruled by Jesus. Every knee will bow. All nations will annually visit, worship and honor our Lord IN JERUSALEM. JESUS WILL PHYSICALLY DWELL IN A NEW TEMPLE THERE ON MT. ZION.

 

[Truthnightmare]

We all chose, whom, among all the conflicting voices, to listen to, to believe. You've made your choice, and I've made mine. Jesus said that He could set them free - true. They said they've never been in bondage - false. They were in bondage in Egypt, and in bondage to sin. And they denied on all fronts.

Much love!

I don’t believe so. They were not in bondage nor did Jesus say they were. They had Abraham as there father because they mixed into the bloodline.

That’s a very dangerous approach to rendering scripture you have taken.

The Jews speaking…
“We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man”

You suggest they know they were in bondage and they were just denying it?

If we take the “that’s not really what they meant approach” we can rewrite the entire Bible.

More importantly, that type of thinking destroys what Christ said.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Cain was the first murderer. Jesus said they are of Cain.
The word “of”
ek or ex: from, from out of
Original Word: ἐκ, ἐξ
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: ek or ex
Phonetic Spelling: (ek)
Definition: from, from out of
Usage: from out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards.

Can’t have your cake and eat it to.
Either these Jews were in bondage in Egypt, thus they would not be descendants of Cain, making Christ words a lie.

Or they were not in Egypt as they said, making Christ words true as they are descendants of Cain, the first murderer!

Jesus said they were of Cain, the descendants of Cain were never in bondage in Egypt. If we take your approach, then you need to prove the descendants of Cain were in Egypt. This you can NOT do because they weren’t. And they told you you they weren’t.

 

[Truthnightmare]

And planed in advance, Both Ukraine and this with Israel.

Joe Biden gets in and look his Mob feed them Wars. The snail trail leads to Joe Biden and his Mob, lefty's and their works must be understood, for they are at war 24/7 using every and any means and their " means to an ends" is their motto !

Such intentions of theirs should be exposed, you see the wars set on everything going on from promoting sexual depravity and everything that is Godless !
For they are Anti-Christ in fact, Bible says, You will know them by their works !
They are full of deceptions and delusions, masters of such in fact !

Indeed… planned throughout the centuries.
But these must happen as a fulfillment of scripture.

Because of the nation state of Israel in the Middle East, which they (International Jewry) got after the war for free because of "Jewish" suffering during WWII, which they insured! A location, I might add, needed by them to set up antichrist's temple and fulfill Thessalonians chapter two and Revelation chapter's eleven, thirteen, seventeen, etc. Everything happens at Jerusalem, that great city.

So defiled shall God's (once) Holy City Jerusalem become when antichrist―seated by his minions on this earth with us now―shall sit there claiming to be God Himself, that God refers to it as "Babylon" in the prophesies of the book of Revelation!​

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. KJV​

 

[Truthnightmare]

WOE!!! unto enemies of Israel!

So perhaps we should find out what people are truly Israel.

 

[APAK]

We read the scripture literally, take it at face value with additional dep spiritual insights as well.
Judgment Day has nothing to do with our past efforts to evangelize the lost. At that time, our part will have already been done. Think of it as a judgment in a courtoom, the criminals have already been convicted and now their judge delivers the verdict- DEATH. It is sad to think that so many will not make it.
"... for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction,"
The wages of sin is death! Receive Christ's forgiveness or suffer the consequences.
The judgment then IS GOD'S judgement. Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats. This will be sweet for us and bitter for them. We did not write history. It is God's plan to reconcile His chosen sheep throughout history and His plan to separate good and evil has about reached its precipice, a 6,000 year plan that is almost complete, within years.
You misconstrued most scripture with this symbolic view that is out of touch with reality.
Billions will be saved ... and billions will die when He returns. And the world will them be at peace. Sin ad evil will be put down for 1000 years. And every knee will bow because all inhabitants on earth will be Christian, ruled by Jesus. Every knee will bow. All nations will annually visit, worship and honor our Lord IN JERUSALEM. JESUS WILL PHYSICALLY DWELL IN A NEW TEMPLE THERE ON MT. ZION.

I'm an ammilleniumist Ronald. It has happened and it's happening now and into the future. I do not subscribe to the so-called literal 1000 years into a far-flung future Kingdom. The Kingdom has been established already per scripture, in heaven and on earth, and Christ is its head and rules as King today and into tomorrow until all enemies are extinguished.

(Col 1:13) Who delivered us out of the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love;

Read Col 1:15-20

(Col 1:15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
(Col 1:16) For in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created on account of him and for him.
(Col 1:17) And he is superior to all things, and in him all things consist.
(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; so that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.
(Col 1:19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,
(Col 1:20) and through him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross- yes, to reconcile all things through him, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. (NEV)

Christ the King already has created through his Father' Spirit. the governance structure and hierarchy of the Kingdom for his Body as its head. It already exists today and is functional.

He will continue to judge and separate his sheep from the goats until the new heaven and earth exists, period.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I'm an ammilleniumist Ronald. It has happened and it's happening now and into the future. I do not subscribe to the so-called literal 1000 years into a far-flung future Kingdom. The Kingdom has been established already per scripture, in heaven and on earth, and Christ is its head and rules as King today and into tomorrow until all enemies are extinguished.

(Col 1:13) Who delivered us out of the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love;

Read Col 1:15-20

(Col 1:15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
(Col 1:16) For in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created on account of him and for him.
(Col 1:17) And he is superior to all things, and in him all things consist.
(Col 1:18) And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; so that in all things he might have the pre-eminence.
(Col 1:19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,
(Col 1:20) and through him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross- yes, to reconcile all things through him, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. (NEV)

Christ the King already has created through his Father' Spirit. the governance structure and hierarchy of the Kingdom for his Body as its head. It already exists today and is functional.

He will continue to judge and separate his sheep from the goats until the new heaven and earth exists, period.

I am only vaguely familiar with this view. When you say “it has happened” what are you referring to?

 

[APAK]

I am only vaguely familiar with this view. When you say “it has happened” what are you referring to?

Applying it to Ronald's comment about judgement etc.

The Kingdom exists today and continues and it is functioning today including its area of the judgment of men.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Applying it to Ronald's comment about judgement etc.

The Kingdom exists today and continues and it is functioning today including its area of the judgment of men.

I disagree, but no worries, perhaps you should one day start a thread on it and elaborate on all your positions of conclusion.