Cursed shall be those who attack Israel. That's exactly what you do.
Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?
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quietthinker
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I don't think the HOW is a distraction at all. It in fact digs in and asks us to reevaluate HOW we have understood.
Yes, there will be death when Jesus returns, however not at the hand of Jesus. People will call for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them (suicide). Why? because they are freaked out at seeing a LAMB? Can you imagine that? Who would be freaked out because of a LAMB? A lamb is as harmless a 'symbol' as one can imagine yet here they are, freaked out.
Something terribly wrong has happened in their minds. Could it be they have opposed love even while paying lip service to it? .....and here it is, a love which exposes their hearts to themselves. It becomes unbearable and they prefer to die......just like Judas.
They are not blessed today. Pointing that out is not attacking Israel it is attacking a lie.
Silence on what?? How is having compassion on the fatherless and poor and oppressed attacking Israel or defending Hamas??
quietthinker
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....and do we ask, was it the will of God for the serpent to deceive Eve?.....further more, to plunge this World into misery and chaos for millennia?I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I wonder if it was the will of God for Christ to be taken forcibly to the Sanhedrin. :)
Matthew 26:53 - The Betrayal of Jesus
Are you not aware that I can call on My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?www.biblehub.com
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The Hebrews believed that everything which happens both good and bad is God's will. I cannot go along with that conclusion. I think love (which I understand is the entirety of God's reality) is by its very nature vulnerable, even vulnerable to exploitation.
God condescended as one of us so that we could see his nature (character) first hand. We (humans) couldn't tolerate it so we got rid of him (or so we thought).
I do not think that God had deliberately intended to have Jesus die (although he knew we would kill him)(God's foreknowledge) but he came anyway. (prediction does not equal causation)
He came so that we could see his nature (character)
Hebrews 2:12
“I will declare your *name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”
*name = character
God intended Christ to die a sacrifice for the sins of the holy nation He was creating in Christ.
one time Satan speaks through Peter about Christ not dying, and this offended Christ as it was why Christ came.
Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, [i]“Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are [j]an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Then in acts 4,
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done
And John 12
Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.”
29 Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him.”
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am [e]lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”
Jesus Predicts His Death on the Cross
27 “Now My soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name.”Then a voice came from heaven, saying, “I have both glorified it and will glorify it again.”
29 Therefore the people who stood by and heard it said that it had thundered. Others said, “An angel has spoken to Him.”
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am [e]lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”
quietthinker
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Acts 4:28 deals with that argument.
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done
Israel is back to stay and nothing you Israel haters can do will change that! Sit back and watch God fight for Israel, again!
Bob
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Thank you for posting these questions.
To begin, see 1 Samuel 15:1-3——God ordered King Saul to wipe out the Amalekites, which was in effect “ethic” cleansing (not ethnic cleansing). (Survivors would have vowed vengeance and carried it out in the future.)
In WWII, our goals were unconditional surrender. Were civilians killed as we went about killing Nazi’s and Japanese soldiers? If killing their civilIan’s meant saving allied lives, the tactic was deemed worth it.
Which of the people living in Gaza are Hamas soldiers and which civilians? Given Hamas wear no uniform, anyone over the age of 9 is a potential terrorist. If you say you won’t bomb a mosque or an apartment building, it becomes their safe staging area for war. If you won’t try to kill Hamas because they are collocated with children, they will use that to their advantage to kill you.
Love Thy Neighbor only works when all are committed to being gentle & peaceful, caring & sharing. If your “tribe“ is to survive when surrounded by hostile neighbors, you must either fight to defend or relocate to some remote place (e.g., Eskimos in Alaska, Bush People of Botswana, tribes deep in the Amazon jungle).
Peace and Blessings.
Silence on what?? How is having compassion on the fatherless and poor and oppressed attacking Israel or defending Hamas??
No false accusations can change the fact that Israel will only be here to stay when God brings them there after they are saved. The Israel of today is destined for doom. Only after they are saved does Jesus step in to save them.
God did not order unbelieving unsaved Israel to do anything. We cannot blame Him in any way shape or form.
Just because Israel is on the carpet here for atrocities in Gaza does not mean that evil of the past by others is somehow accepted.
All who are not terrorists?
Says who? Loving works all the time. It may not get someone who took someone else's land what they want, but it still works.
Relocate who? God only will give the promised land to saved people in the future.
You clearly have never read the OT about Israel.
Ezekiel 36
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.
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