Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?
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BlessedPeace
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Hamas are terrorists? Is that news to you?
So? They slaughtered and beheaded babies and children.
And you say, so?
And ask what's that got to do with convoys fleeing Gaza and being bombed?
Well,let's see.
Hamas insulates itself and hides its weaponry in civilian homes of people who are Palestinian and sympathetic to their cause.
Just as has all other terror groups in history.
And so that if those sites are targeted by their enemy,the civilian fallout makes their enemy appear heartless.
Which is nonsense.
Because Hamas premeditated the future potential slaughter of their own people by setting them up that way.
Now, those allied with Hamas are leaving Gaza. And we're to presume they're not Hamas members,they're not transporting arms and munitions to a new location so to continue the onslaught they initiated against Israel days ago.
And then,after all your defense of Hamas having a right to defend against Israel,when Hamas drew first blood in this latest conflict,and has assailed Israel regularly before this latest bit of news, after all these pages and the many pro-Hamas threads you opened,you say you don't know much about the history of this conflict?
What?
BlessedPeace
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He can't keep his narrative straight. He's pro-Hamas,anti-Israel,which is obvious.
Interjecting Jesus,how the Jews need Salvation,their Holy Land isnt yet theirs, and on and on,is further evidence he is pro-Hamas.
Because all those deficits he injects toward Israel are to tell us they deserve what they get for occupying Palestinian land.
The blessing in all his efforts is we know now he is vested in Taqiya. Just as BHO was for 8 years in office. While his actions revealed the truth. Just as has happened with Dad.
And then he claims he doesn't know a lot about the history of the conflict?
After all that he's posted?
He will one day when they accept Him. Not now. Learn that and remember never to blame God for anything they do,
BarneyFife
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Who, me? Yikes!!! I love babies.
Attacks on children are not being advocated.
But God has ordered attacks on children. I can't just erase that stuff from the Bible.
He ordered thousands killed so that millions could be spared later from the misery that idolatrous cultures imposed.
When you get to Heaven I'm sure all of the many tens of millions of oppressed, tortured, and murdered people from past evil regimes will be glad to hear you tell them how that works.
Yeah, I noticed. I didn't make that promise. In fact, no one did. It's actually a loosely quoted term from H.G. Wells's "War Of The Worlds" that was never offered as a promise in some famous speech, as many people (mostly pacifist idealogues) portray it.
It's hardly appropriate for folks to put so much emphasis on the violence of war when so much more suffering results from its other aspects. As time goes on, I'm struggling to see how this is going to avoid being one of the ugliest humanitarian nightmares of modern times. Israel knows what "siege" means and what it does to people. They could hold off the bombs and inflict nearly as much misery on Gaza. The violence may actually diminish Hamas to a degree that makes further siege unnecessary. Only God can know for now. In the meantime, civil governments have a God-ordained responsibility to protect their citizens.
That's not going to just disappear because some folks are ruminating about violence that is temporary and, I might add, temporal in nature. It's difficult for me to understand the way so many Christians talk like temporal death is the worst thing that can happen to a person. The worst thing is dying without Jesus. And I think we can trust the Judge of all the earth to do right by innocents who are killed in horrific wars.
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The people blowing up the apartments of which I thought you were trying to justify?
They are being carried out. They know the families are in those buildings.
Not since Jesus! And He is not ordering ANYTHING in Israel they don't even believe.
When you get to Heaven I'm sure all of the many tens of millions of oppressed, tortured, and murdered people from past evil regimes will be glad to hear you tell them how that works.
They sure won't be blaming God!
It is not war to blow up apartments. That is slaughter of people who are not even armed.
How about either go in and kill or arrest the actual terrorists of stay home?
That's not going to just disappear because some folks are ruminating about violence that is temporary and, I might add, temporal in nature. It's difficult for me to understand the way so many Christians talk like temporal death is the worst thing that can happen to a person. The worst thing is dying without Jesus. And I think we can trust the Judge of all the earth to do right by innocents who are killed in horrific wars.
Absolutely! great thought.
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Nope. I disagree. He does not aid and abet theft of land etc. Don't blame it on God. Unless those claiming miracles were genuine Christians, I would not believe the spirit, if any, helping them was God.
Amos 9
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.
And there's NOTHING Israel's enemies can do about it, but burn in Hell promoting the destruction of Israel.
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Wrangler
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Your question implies a lack of awareness of the fact that terrorists, by definition, are not a State that is capable of war.
When a terrorist organization initiates an act of war, a sovereign State has 2 basic options: treat it as the act of a common criminal or treat it as an act of war.
In the Clinton Administration, terrorism was treated as the act of common criminals. Bush altered this policy in response to 9/11. War is the appropriate response to an act of terror.
The answer to your question is yes. Israel’s response is war.
In life there are sometimes difficult choices. War is one of those times. The beginning is to kill or be killed, destroy or be destroyed.
If you think you can reason with Islamic terrorists, you are gravely mistaken.
The terrorists need to learn poking the bear may be fatally bad for them OR they will learn they may continue to poke the bear until it is dead. It is a matter of resolve for the civilized world.
Civilization only exists because of its willingness to use more violence than the barbarian.
Wrangler
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BlessedPeace
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So if you were in New York and a building had some terrorists holed up, what do you do? Surround the place, then offer a chance for all to come out. If they won't come out send in swat teams. With the idea being, find and stop the terrorists not kill everyone.
War against who, babies? Not sure the post 911 US is any good example.
The choice is blow up all the apartment buildings, or try to find the guilty in them. The choice is not do nothing or blow it all up
Never met one, so I can't say. Anyhow, the thing is to root them out of the people, not blow up the people.
Or if you blow up apartment buildings in populated areas, they may learn they are not the only bad boys on the block.
Civilization exists because God created man and the world. Civilization in it's sinful state today exists because of sin. Saving 'civilization' does not mean cutting off water and food to families and blowing them up. That is uncivilized.
Look at the verse before to see when that will be
Amos 9:13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
That is of course after this happens
Amos 9:10
All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
Did you think there were no unsaved sinners today in Israel?
There are, the nation is in unbelief and is referred to as Sodom in Revelation by God. They have to be sifted first.
Again, the same chapter you cited
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Your flattery was this "
And then he claims he doesn't know a lot about the history of the conflict?
After all that he's posted? "
Not sure what that is supposed to confirm
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