Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Mink57]

The saints cannot hear prayers--only God can.

You have no idea if that's true. "With God ALL things are possible." (Matt. 19:26)

And considering how many individuals have said that they've received help from the saints, I'm sorry...but I don't believe that ALL of those people are lying.

They are not all knowing or present everywhere, so how could they?

Got nothing to do with being "all knowing or present everywhere." God can reveal what he wants to reveal, to whoever he wants to reveal it to. If I happen to be in Heaven, and if God wants to reveal to me that my children are struggling...and to pray for them... He's got that right. Doesn't mean that he's chosen to reveal EVERYTHING that's going on with them, or what's happening on earth.

Why does Paul say to come boldly before the throne of grace? Heb 4:16 Because we can go directly to the Father through the Son.

Yup, we can. But since our brothers and sisters before us have died IN Christ, that means they're ALIVE in Christ. Their BODY is dead, but their soul is alive.

Yes, we can go directly to Jesus. But we can also ask the LIVING saints to 'put in a good word for us', making our prayers a bit more efficacious.

 

[Illuminator]

The saints cannot hear prayers--only God can. They are not all knowing or present everywhere, so how could they?
Why does Paul say to come boldly before the throne of grace? Heb 4:16 Because we can go directly to the Father through the Son.

So our four non-Catholic language references all confirm that the element of “spectatorship,” which lends itself to the Catholic notion of communion of saints, where saints in heaven are aware of, and observe events on earth, is present in Hebrews 12:1, and cannot be ruled out by any means, on the basis of a doctrinal bias. But you don't care, you deny everything anyway.

And what makes you think Catholics don't go directly to the Father through the Son? We do it all the time.

 

[Phoneman777]

To Catholics? In Heaven...

Once AGAIN, you're giving NO CONTEXT. No date...no 'who said what to who'...no place it was supposedly said...Can't address this unless I know ANY of that.

Nope. Never said that. But you don't seem to get how grace and faith and works are in concert.

You keep making these quotes and not giving any sources for these quotes. Please provide your source.

Mary's not in heaven. She died and won't live again until the resurrection.

You can look up these quotes for yourself because whenever I provide them, papists criticize them as illegit because they refuse to accept the truth.

Archbishop Marcellus said it and the pope not only failed to excommunicate him for such "heresy", he awarded him with a prestigious position over the most prominent church in the region.

 

[Phoneman777]

WRONG.

You post “quotes” and excerpts without PRIMARY sources – which are as worthless as udders on a bull . . .

And yet, all these catholic "heretics" are allowed to "recklessly" print "lies" century after century without anyone getting excommunicated, right? Just like all those priests who are sent to "treatment centers" instead of being kicked out of the church and sent to jail?

You're not fooling anyone, DB.

Duval lived in the 20th century.
NOBODY’s life was in danger from ANY Pope during this time.

It appears NO papist is ever in danger from any pope when he publishes "lies" claiming the pope is "god on Earth" or "Jesus Christ, hidden under veil of flesh" or "the Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside", right?

Can you find a PRIMARY source of his that has this quote??

Or, should we simply depend on your usual sources for anti-Catholic manure??

Why isn't the Jesuit Catechism on the papacy's list of banned books, DB? You have NO ANSWER because you know the only correct answer is this: the Jesuit Catechism is accurate and accepted by the papacy.

Have you never read Loyola's "Spiritual Exercises"? The man was talking to DEMONS and his ideas are straight out of demonic Eastern religion.

Like UNBiblical doctrines of things like “Soul Sleep’ and Like Sola Scriptura??

You mean unBiblical doctrines like "innate immortality of the soul"? What a shame "protestants" of our day have been seduced by the baptized paganism of the papacy but there are always sincere seekers of truth who weigh the evidence and abandon papal lies.

There is not a single text that supports the lie of the serpent in Eden, so it's understandable why the papacy fully embraces it.

Thus quote from St. Peter Damian isn’t about whether a priest or Pope can condemn a person to Hell.. It’s about the God-given Authority that Jesus bestowed upon His Church to be His mouthpiece on earth (Matt. 16:17-19, Matt, 18:18, Luke 10:16).

An anathema has nothing to do with condemning a person to Hell.
It is a DISCIPLICARY tool for disobedient, unruly Catholics. It is an excommunication – not a “curse”.

Put down your SDA manure for a while and read some FACTS . . .

I've never heard such a collection of nonsensical bulldookey. The pope has ZERO power to save or consign anyone to "purgatory" or hell, and if I ever met him, I would tell him he's a pathetic crusty old sorcerer of Satan and leader of the Antichrist system who delights in enabling his false priests to harm innocent kids, and unless he repents he and all his impenitent followers will beg God for mercy just before they are all cast into the Lake of Fire.

The pope has ZERO power over me and never will. I defy him as Satan's Man of Sin and all who follow him are the worst kind of pathetically deceived individuals to ever grace the topside of the Earth.

Purgatory is not Biblical. The papacy does not represent Christ. The catholic priesthood is not Biblical. These and much more are, as Luther said, from "the Roman dunghill of decretals".

 

[Mink57]

Mary's not in heaven. She died and won't live again until the resurrection.

So YOU say. Catholics believe differently. Those who 'died IN CHRIST' are ALIVE. Their body may have died, but their soul is alive. Sorry, but there's nothing in the Bible to support the Protestant belief of "soul sleep."

The thief on the cross with Jesus is a testament that not ALL of us will be in the ground until the resurrection.

You can look up these quotes for yourself because whenever I provide them, papists criticize them as illegit because they refuse to accept the truth.

I already DID look those quotes up. Apparently, *you* did not...

Archbishop Marcellus said it and the pope not only failed to excommunicate him for such "heresy", he awarded him with a prestigious position over the most prominent church in the region.

What is WITH you to believe that a pope must automatically excommunicate someone for ONE alleged sentence? In English? HUNDREDS of years later?

As far as I'm concerned, you're as bad as those who crucified Jesus. Convicting without evidence...judging without knowledge...

Do your homework BEFORE you judge...

 

[Phoneman777]

So YOU say. Catholics believe differently.

Yes, so do many Protestants but you are all wrong.

Those who 'died IN CHRIST' are ALIVE. Their body may have died, but their soul is alive.

Saying a "soul" continues to exist after the body is destroyed is like saying the "light" from a bulb can continue to exist after the bulb is destroyed.

Sorry, but there's nothing in the Bible to support the Protestant belief of "soul sleep."

It's taught from cover to cover.

The thief on the cross with Jesus is a testament that not ALL of us will be in the ground until the resurrection.

You mean when Jesus promised the thief that day that he would someday be in paradise with Him?

"Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with Me in paradise".

What is WITH you to believe that a pope must automatically excommunicate someone for ONE alleged sentence? In English? HUNDREDS of years later?

In order to preserve the church from "heresy", MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of "heretics" were murdered by the papacy - but somehow all these "heretics" write things like "the holy Scriptures must be thrown aside" and somehow nothing happens to them. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

As far as I'm concerned, you're as bad as those who crucified Jesus. Convicting without evidence...judging without knowledge...

Do your homework BEFORE you judge...

All we do is present evidence, but you guys are hopelessly deluded. Tell me I may say to the pope he is a crusty old child raping antichrist enemy of Christ and still expect to be in heaven. Can you?

 

[Phoneman777]

WRONG.

You post “quotes” and excerpts without PRIMARY sources – which are as worthless as udders on a bull .

The papacy for centuries made "murdering heretics" into a spectator sport - yet, somehow all these "heretic catholics" publish false claims that the pope is "another God on Earth" and "the holy Scriptures must be thrown aside" and NONE OF THEM GET KILLED?

You ain't fooling anyone with your lies, DB.

Duval lived in the 20th century.
NOBODY’s life was in danger from ANY Pope during this time.

Except all those little kids from ALL OVER THE WORLD, right?

They may have stopped slaughtering "heretics" but at the very least they could EXCOMMUNICATE these "heretic catholics", right?

Again, you ain't fooling anyone with your lies, DB.

Can you find a PRIMARY source of his that has this quote??

Or, should we simply depend on your usual sources for anti-Catholic manure??

Why won't the papacy excommunicate these innumerable "catholic heretics", DB? Because, as you know but won't admit, the papacy has ZERO problems with what they print.

Like UNBiblical doctrines of things like “Soul Sleep’ and Like Sola Scriptura??

Don't even try to go toe to toe with me on this, DB, or I'll use the sword of the Spirit to stab clean through this popish satanic doctrine that sits upon "the Roman dunghill of decretals".

"Lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death".
"Our friend Lazarus sleepeth...Lazarus is dead".

Thus quote from St. Peter Damian isn’t about whether a priest or Pope can condemn a person to Hell.. It’s about the God-given Authority that Jesus bestowed upon His Church to be His mouthpiece on earth (Matt. 16:17-19, Matt, 18:18, Luke 10:16).

So, why does Liguori in "Dignities and Duties of the Priest" apply Damien's claim that "the sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it" to the church's presumed "power of delivering sinners from hell, making them worthy of Paradise, and of changing them from the slaves of Satan to the children of God"?

Do you believe God Almighty has no choice but to go along with whatever a lost papist of the antichrist system in Rome says must be?

An anathema has nothing to do with condemning a person to Hell.
It is a DISCIPLICARY tool for disobedient, unruly Catholics. It is an excommunication – not a “curse”.

Put down your SDA manure for a while and read some FACTS . . .

Let's be clear: the only manure covering the ground falls from the ruined backsides of papist priest members of your satanic death cult - how in the world can an excommunicated/anathematized catholic go to heaven when he's unable to have his confessions heard or receive the last rites or partake of any other of your death cult sacraments? This satanic "toothless tiger" superstition is what kept even monarchs in fear of the papacy during the Dark Ages.

Emperor Henry IV had to kneel in the snow for three days until the pope welcomed him back into the church. If only he'd had the cojones of Henry VIII who told the pope to stick it where...well, as a papist, you know.

 

[Phoneman777]

Not a fan of SDA.... but catholics should put down their manure and accept God's Word!

Unlike the death cult, we SDAs can back up every one of our Bible teachings with the Bible alone - I mainly use the KJV.

Whatever the topic, be it "Investigative Judgment" or "Annihilation" or "the Sabbath, not Sunday" or the "Antichrist" or "the Restrainer" or "Law and Grace" or "OSAS" or whatever, we appeal to the Bible and the Bible alone, friend.

There are many thousands around the world who come to our seminars and join our church every year and the numbers are growing and will skyrocket as we get closer to the papal Mark of the Beast - Bible reading, prophecy students who've been taught errors like Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism and so many other of the papacy's "baptized paganism" it dragged into Christianity during the Dark Ages. People who refuse to join decline to do so not because they can prove us wrong, but because they stubbornly refuse to abandon error - I've seen it time and time again.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hey Phoneman,

If you are using (grape) juice and not wine, then you are NOT doing "as Christ did concerning the bread and juice". Please follow Scripture and the example that He gave us and use wine to fulfill what He asked us to do.

Why so? What makes you think there was booze in that cup and not merely grape juice?

When you partake of your juice and bread in remembrance of Him do you agree with or repeat His words; This IS my body/blood? Or do you say this is a symbol of His body/blood? Or do you repeat his words but in your heart say it's a symbol of His body/blood?

Curious Mary

How could the contents of that cup be "transubstantiated" into Christ's blood when He hadn't even shed it on the Cross yet?

"This is My body/blood" were as much at the Last Supper symbolic words having nothing to do with "transubstantiation" superstitions as they are today in our Communion services.

 

[Mink57]

Yes, so do many Protestants but you are all wrong.

So *you* say...

Saying a "soul" continues to exist after the body is destroyed is like saying the "light" from a bulb can continue to exist after the bulb is destroyed.

Not a good comparison, Phoneman. From a scientific point of view, light DOES continue to exist (travel), even if the source is destroyed. Consider some the light from some of the "stars" we see. While the star itself may no longer exist, we continue to see the light from what once did exist.

Please roll the dice and try again...

It's taught from cover to cover.

Um, no. It isn't.

You mean when Jesus promised the thief that day that he would someday be in paradise with Him?

"Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with Me in paradise".

Interesting that you'd insert the comma after the word today, whereas, most bibles place the comma inserted AFTER the word "thee", and BEFORE "today." They either use a comma, colon or semi-colon, but the emphasis is AFTER the word "thee" and BEFORE the word "today."

In order to preserve the church from "heresy", MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of "heretics" were murdered by the papacy - but somehow all these "heretics" write things like "the holy Scriptures must be thrown aside" and somehow nothing happens to them. Hmmmmmmm. Hmmmmmmm.

MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS? Citation(s) please! From (a) legit verifiable source(s)!

Also, you says that "heretics", as in more than ONE "heritic" wrote "the holy Scriptures must be thrown aside." The only "source" you provided was The Jesuits Catechism, according to St. Ignatius Loyola: for the instructing and strengthening of all those which are weak in that faith: Second Edition, London, 1681, by A H; Etienne Pasquier.

You go on to say that "this is an excerpt" (supposedly from the "catechism") and post:

"Q. What if the Holy Scriptures command one thing, and the Pope another contrary to it?
A. The Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside, as being doubtful (u) André Du Val, Libelli de ecclesiastica et politica potestate, p. 88, 89"

It's interesting that that supposedly the alleged quote is found on pages 88, 89...whereas, the Jesusits Catechism Second Edition, 1681...

...was only 48 pages. As BreadOfLife would say, EPIC FAIL on your part.

Seriously Phoneman, you gotta learn to do better research than you do...

All we do is present evidence, but you guys are hopelessly deluded. T

You mean, all you do is present unTRUTHFUL 'evidence'. You're not looking for the truth, Phoneman.

Tell me I may say to the pope he is a crusty old child raping antichrist enemy of Christ and still expect to be in heaven. Can you?

I say, if *you* want to tell the Pope that, GO FOR IT! The Pope can't "excommunicate" you because you're not CATHOLIC.

Meanwhile, if *I* as a Catholic said that to him, he would NOT automatically 'excommunicate' me. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Pope isn't a dictator. Never was.

 

[Cassandra]

You have no idea if that's true. "With God ALL things are possible." (Matt. 19:26)

And considering how many individuals have said that they've received help from the saints, I'm sorry...but I don't believe that ALL of those people are lying.

Got nothing to do with being "all knowing or present everywhere." God can reveal what he wants to reveal, to whoever he wants to reveal it to. If I happen to be in Heaven, and if God wants to reveal to me that my children are struggling...and to pray for them... He's got that right. Doesn't mean that he's chosen to reveal EVERYTHING that's going on with them, or what's happening on earth.

Yup, we can. But since our brothers and sisters before us have died IN Christ, that means they're ALIVE in Christ. Their BODY is dead, but their soul is alive.

Yes, we can go directly to Jesus. But we can also ask the LIVING saints to 'put in a good word for us', making our prayers a bit more efficacious.

Only God is everywhere and can hear everything. We know this--for you to believe differently is speculation.
Also where in the Bible does it say we are to pray to the saints? We are to pray to the Lord in Jesus name
The spirit is the breath of life. The dead know nothing Ecc (9;5, 6, 10)
Also when Jesus comes back then the dead in Christ shall rise. 1 Thess 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And the Bible says that God alone hath immortality; 1 Tim6:15-16
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

And as for your comment about not thinking the people who told you they received help from saints weren't lying-

Here is an instance in the Bible of some women speaking of worshiping the Queen of Heaven, and how she had given them things because of it. these weren't lying either.
Jer 44:17-21
17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

 

[Mink57]

Only God is everywhere and can hear everything. We know this--for you to believe differently is speculation.

I DON'T believe differently...so, what's your point?

Also where in the Bible does it say we are to pray to the saints? We are to pray to the Lord in Jesus name
The spirit is the breath of life.

Where does it say in the Bible that the Bible begins and ends with Genesis and Revelation? Where does it say in the Bible that the Bible is "Sola Scriptura?"

Hint: It doesn't.

The dead know nothing Ecc (9;5, 6, 10)

If the dead "know nothing", then why was Samuel able to advise Saul AFTER Samuel's own death?
If the dead "know nothing", then why did Jesus tell about Lazarus and the rich man?
If the dead "know nothing," then WHY wa Jesus able to talk to Moses and Elijah?

Seems to me that perhaps SOME dead "know nothing." But others don't...

Also when Jesus comes back then the dead in Christ shall rise. 1 Thess 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

According to the Bible, once Jesus died on the cross, some already 'rose'...and showed themselves to the townspeople. Those 500+ dead didn't have to wait until Christ's second coming.

And the Bible says that God alone hath immortality; 1 Tim6:15-16
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

You're right! God's 'immortality' is timeless. OUR 'immortality' is not

And as for your comment about not thinking the people who told you they received help from saints weren't lying-

Here is an instance in the Bible of some women speaking of worshiping the Queen of Heaven, and how she had given them things because of it. these weren't lying either.
Jer 44:17-21
17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

Why don't you STOP depending on the OT to support your 'case'? There's a new Covenant in the New Testament...

Literally millions (probably more) of people have prayed THROUGH the saints and have received help. Testimony after testimony.

A desperate woman prays to St. Jude for her 10 year old son to be cured from cancer. He's cured from cancer.

You gonna tell THAT WOMAN, that it was some "demon" who cured him? Or that her son REALLY wasn't 'cured'? Yeah, good LUCK with THAT!

We, as Catholics, believe that saints, are ALIVE...WITH JESUS..., and they can help us. We don't believe that the saints are "dead."

It's very sad to think that if Jesus came and sat on your nose, that you'd dismiss him as some hallucination.

Because, HEY! It's "not in the Bible (according to YOU) that he'd so such a thing...

...even though he DID such a thing with the Apostles in Acts.

 

[Phoneman777]

Not a good comparison, Phoneman. From a scientific point of view, light DOES continue to exist (travel), even if the source is destroyed. Consider some the light from some of the "stars" we see. While the star itself may no longer exist, we continue to see the light from what once did exist.

Here's why you're wrong:

Photons ARE EVENTUALLY ABSORBED and dissipate as heat energy - the "light" ceases to exist. Therefore, my analogy is more than correct.

Bulb - Electric Current = Light ceases to exist
Body - Breath of Life = SOUL CEASES TO EXIST

Interesting that you'd insert the comma after the word today, whereas, most bibles place the comma inserted AFTER the word "thee", and BEFORE "today." They either use a comma, colon or semi-colon, but the emphasis is AFTER the word "thee" and BEFORE the word "today."

Once again, the SDA has to school the papist:

(1) The original languages contained no punctuation - it was added by the translators. The Protestant translators, who were heavily influenced by Rome's false teaching of "innate immortality of the soul" as a legit Biblical doctrine, put the comma where they thought it should go.

(2) In the Septuagint, the word for "today" precedes the verb that it modifies only fifty one times, but it follows the verb that it modifies ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY times. So, the majority use of the word "semeron" more than supports placing the comma after it, which maintains Scriptural harmony.

Placing it before the word "semeron" as taught by papists and misguided Protestants causes total textual disharmony.

MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS? Citation(s) please! From (a) legit verifiable source(s)!

“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no power of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings.” — “History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe,” Vol. II, p. 32. London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1910.

John Foxe's Book of Martyrs testifies to the horrific murder and persecution of "heretics".

I suggest you put down one sided papal propaganda and get another perspective.

Also, you says that "heretics", as in more than ONE "heritic" wrote "the holy Scriptures must be thrown aside." The only "source" you provided was The Jesuits Catechism, according to St. Ignatius Loyola: for the instructing and strengthening of all those which are weak in that faith: Second Edition, London, 1681, by A H; Etienne Pasquier.

You go on to say that "this is an excerpt" (supposedly from the "catechism") and post:

"Q. What if the Holy Scriptures command one thing, and the Pope another contrary to it?
A. The Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside, as being doubtful (u) André Du Val, Libelli de ecclesiastica et politica potestate, p. 88, 89"

It's interesting that that supposedly the alleged quote is found on pages 88, 89...whereas, the Jesusits Catechism Second Edition, 1681...

...was only 48 pages. As BreadOfLife would say, EPIC FAIL on your part.

Seriously Phoneman, you gotta learn to do better research than you do...

Is English your first language? Pages 88-89 are referring to Du Val's work - not that of Pasquier. Care to retract these statements?

the Pope isn't a dictator. Never was.

Good gravy, what planet are you from?

"Fascism is the regime which most closely corresponds to the concepts of the church of Rome".

That's from the "House Organ of the Jesuits": Catolica Civilta - the publication for which the pope reserves direct editorial power - understand?

Now, what does the word "fascism" mean?
"ALL POWER IN ONE MAN" AKA "DICTATOR".

 

[Cassandra]

God's 'immortality' is timeless. OUR 'immortality' is not

Uhh, how can you have immortality that is not immortal?

 

[Philip James]

The catholics are a lost as a goose in a whirlwind! Sad.

"Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock.

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock.

And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand,

The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined."

I take communion according to how God's Word describes

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."

Unless.... they are living in sin as the catholics are by rejecting the instructions of the Lord.

you're a funny guy lol

ok, I'll play: What must I do to be saved?

Pax et Bonum

 

[Philip James]

Why does Paul say to come boldly before the throne of grace?

Hello Cassandra,

Truly, when one recognizes the 'throne of Grace', Jesus , manifestly present in the Eucharist, it can be overwhelming,

HOW DARE WE APPROACH!

Yet the Spirit of God empowers us, assuring us of His Love, so that we may indeed boldly and reverently approach HIM!

Pax et Bonum!

 

[Mink57]

Here's why you're wrong:

Photons ARE EVENTUALLY ABSORBED and dissipate as heat energy - the "light" ceases to exist. Therefore, my analogy is more than correct.

Bulb - Electric Current = Light ceases to exist
Body - Breath of Life = SOUL CEASES TO EXIST

Photons will only be absorbed if there's some'thing' to absorb them.

Once again, the SDA has to school the papist:

(1) The original languages contained no punctuation - it was added by the translators. The Protestant translators, who were heavily influenced by Rome's false teaching of "innate immortality of the soul" as a legit Biblical doctrine, put the comma where they thought it should go.

(2) In the Septuagint, the word for "today" precedes the verb that it modifies only fifty one times, but it follows the verb that it modifies ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY times. So, the majority use of the word "semeron" more than supports placing the comma after it, which maintains Scriptural harmony.

You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. But the problem you have, is the SAME problem as you ALWAYS have. You don't delve deeply enough into what you're claiming.

Placing it before the word "semeron" as taught by papists and misguided Protestants causes total textual disharmony.

Depends on what you believe.

“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no power of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings.” — “History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe,” Vol. II, p. 32. London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1910.

John Foxe's Book of Martyrs testifies to the horrific murder and persecution of "heretics".

I suggest you put down one sided papal propaganda and get another perspective.

"It was typical, however, in the late nineteenth and early decades of the twentieth centuries to treat Foxe's text as "not to be trusted....If not the father of lies, Foxe was thought to be the master of inventions, and so readers of the Encyclopedia [sic] Britannica were advised and warned."

Foxe's Book of Martyrs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I asked you to provide evidence that "MILLIONS AND MILLIONS" were murdered at the hands of the RCC...which, again, you failed to do.

Foxe "testifies" to nothing. And so do you.

Is English your first language? Pages 88-89 are referring to Du Val's work - not that of Pasquier. Care to retract these statements?

Oh, o.k. So you admit that you're not citing the original source, but playing 'telephone.' Du Val said that Pasquier said, that someone named 'A.H.' said... Unless you can provide WHO 'A.H.' was, WHERE the alleged quote was made, WHAT context it was made it...your 'scathing evidence' has been brought to cinders.

Good gravy, what planet are you from?

"Fascism is the regime which most closely corresponds to the concepts of the church of Rome".

That's from the "House Organ of the Jesuits": Catolica Civilta - the publication for which the pope reserves direct editorial power - understand?

Now, what does the word "fascism" mean?
"ALL POWER IN ONE MAN" AKA "DICTATOR".

Once again, you're presenting a quote without context. For all we know, Adolf Hitler may have made that statement! And even if he did, it doesn't make it true.

So, what would you expect? If Hitler did make that statement, would you expect the RCC to 'excommunicate' a man who isn't even a Catholic? Yeah, no. Doesn't work that way.

Seems to me that you're upset if the RCC excommunicates someone, and you're upset if they don't. You believe that if the RCC doesn't agree with someone's statement, they should remove it from their publications. And yet...if they did remove it from their publications, you'd accuse them of 'hiding' what was written. You fault the RCC if they do something about 'heretics', and you fault them if they don't.

Honestly Phoneman, make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Phoneman777]

Photons will only be absorbed if there's some'thing' to absorb them.

Does light continue to exist in your bedroom at night if the electric current is removed from the bulb?
Does the cheese sandwich continue to exist if the bread is returned to the loaf and the cheese to the fridge?
Does the chocolate milk continue to exist if the cocoa is returned to the bottle and the milk to the fridge?
Does the salad dressing continue to exist if the oil is returned to the jar and the lemon juice to the bottle?

Neither does the Soul continue to exist when the Spirit returns to God and the Body to the Earth.

THE SOUL COMES INTO EXISTENCE AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE UNION OF THE BODY AND BREATH OF LIFE AND CEASES TO EXIST WHEN THE BODY RETURNS TO EARTH AND THE BREATH OF LIFE TO GOD.

You're not telling me anything that I don't already know. But the problem you have, is the SAME problem as you ALWAYS have. You don't delve deeply enough into what you're claiming.

Depends on what you believe.

So, your only answer to my points about non-existent punctuation and the majority use of "semeron" is - "I already know that".

I guarantee you never knew about the majority use of "semeron" until I told you, but your stubborn devotion to the papacy won't allow you to appropriately respond, "Wow, PM, though I believe in Immortal Soul doctrine, I admit that Luke 23:43 is not the proof for my position that I once thought".

"It was typical, however, in the late nineteenth and early decades of the twentieth centuries to treat Foxe's text as "not to be trusted....If not the father of lies, Foxe was thought to be the master of inventions, and so readers of the Encyclopedia [sic] Britannica were advised and warned."

I asked you to provide evidence that "MILLIONS AND MILLIONS" were murdered at the hands of the RCC.

Foxe "testifies" to nothing. And so do you.

Once again, papists' only response to the truth is "unreliable source". How trite.

Foxe was a catholic! He once told Tyndale that the word of the pope was superior to Scritpure, which prompted a righteously indignant Tyndale to famously reply, "If God spare my life erelong these years, I'll see to it that a boy that driveth the plough knoweth more of the Scriptures than thou doest!!!"

But, when a catholic abandons the papacy and comes into the truth, somehow a man with a stellar reputation as having a word more pure than the wind driven snow becomes the worst liar to ever grace the topside of the Earth.

The catholic churches had TORTURE CHAMBERS within them to "correct heretics". Your murderous death cult made the execution of "heretics" into a spectator sport for 1,000 years as testified by countless historic accounts, yet you climb on here and insult this community by calling this into question, as if only the papacy knows how to tell the truth?

Was the papacy truthful when they declared ecumenical harmony with all faiths and lured the Huguenots down from their hidden forest and mountain retreats to the towns, before that dreadful murderous tolling of the midnight bell which signaled the commencement of wholesale execution of these poor people?

Was the papacy truthful in their past and on-going cover up for priests who sexually assault and rape kids?

Was the papacy truthful in their pledge to fully cooperate with the Boston PD before the Vatican whisked him away to the safety of Europe?

Oh, o.k. So you admit that you're not citing the original source, but playing 'telephone.' Du Val said that Pasquier said, that someone named 'A.H.' said... Unless you can provide WHO 'A.H.' was, WHERE the alleged quote was made, WHAT context it was made it...your 'scathing evidence' has been brought to cinders.

How can Protestants have access to the "original source" when the papacy - the very death cult institution that stands to be convicted of the charge of "Antichrist" by allowing access to "original sources" - can easily hide them away in the deepest recesses of their papist archives and then argue, "where's your original source"? The papacy has proved itself time and time again to say one thing publicly, but another privately! Did you never read where it publicly downplayed the existence of "heresy" as sparse and much ado about nothing in order to convince the world how beloved the catholi

What we have is "witness testimony" from Protestants throughout history, understand?

If a thousand Protestants come forward and claim the VW Beetle ran the stop sign and only one papist claims the 20 yard dump truck ran the stop sign, guess who's telling the truth?

Once again, you're presenting a quote without context. For all we know, Adolf Hitler may have made that statement! And even if he did, it doesn't make it true.

So, what would you expect? If Hitler did make that statement, would you expect the RCC to 'excommunicate' a man who isn't even a Catholic? Yeah, no. Doesn't work that way.

Yes, and all the history books ever written could be a pack of lies, too, right? Because we weren't there to see the "original sources", right?

Seems to me that you're upset if the RCC excommunicates someone, and you're upset if they don't. You believe that if the RCC doesn't agree with someone's statement, they should remove it from their publications. And yet...if they did remove it from their publications, you'd accuse them of 'hiding' what was written. You fault the RCC if they do something about 'heretics', and you fault them if they don't.

Honestly Phoneman, make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

I have: that the papacy is the Antichrist of Bible prophecy. They've robbed Christ of His heavenly sanctuary ministry, "casting the truth to the ground" by setting up an earthly priesthood, despite the fact that you all know full well "the veil in the temple was torn in twain from top to bottom".

Why do you guys read "There is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the man Christ Jesus" and yet somehow conclude Christians need multiples mediators in the form of popes, priests, cardinals, bishops, dead Christians who have been "canonized"?

 

[Mink57]

Does light continue to exist in your bedroom at night if the electric current is removed from the bulb?
Does the cheese sandwich continue to exist if the bread is returned to the loaf and the cheese to the fridge?
Does the chocolate milk continue to exist if the cocoa is returned to the bottle and the milk to the fridge?
Does the salad dressing continue to exist if the oil is returned to the jar and the lemon juice to the bottle?

Neither does the Soul continue to exist when the Spirit returns to God and the Body to the Earth.

THE SOUL COMES INTO EXISTENCE AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE UNION OF THE BODY AND BREATH OF LIFE AND CEASES TO EXIST WHEN THE BODY RETURNS TO EARTH AND THE BREATH OF LIFE TO GOD.

Where in the Bible is THAT 'rule' written? Do you even know what the 'soul' is?

So, your only answer to my points about non-existent punctuation and the majority use of "semeron" is - "I already know that".

I guarantee you never knew about the majority use of "semeron" until I told you, but your stubborn devotion to the papacy won't allow you to appropriately respond, "Wow, PM, though I believe in Immortal Soul doctrine, I admit that Luke 23:43 is not the proof for my position that I once thought".

I don't really care about the majority use of 'semeron'. I care about contextual use.

I do not see Luke 23:43 ALONE as 'proof of my position'. I see it as one piece of 'evidence' along with other evidence(s).

Once again, papists' only response to the truth is "unreliable source". How trite.

Foxe was a catholic! He once told Tyndale that the word of the pope was superior to Scritpure, which prompted a righteously indignant Tyndale to famously reply, "If God spare my life erelong these years, I'll see to it that a boy that driveth the plough knoweth more of the Scriptures than thou doest!!!"

Foxe was NOT Catholic. He was PROTESTANT.

"Foxe resigned from his college in 1545 after becoming a Protestant and thereby subscribing to beliefs condemned by the Church of England under Henry VIII."

John Foxe - Wikipedia

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Foxe did not tell Tyndale that "the word of the pope was superior to Scriptures."

"After the meeting with Bell and other church leaders, Tyndale, according to John Foxe, had an argument with a "learned but blasphemous clergyman", who allegedly asserted: "We had better be without God's laws than the Pope's", to which Tyndale responded: "I defy the Pope and all his laws; and if God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause the boy that driveth the plow to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost!"[23][24]

William Tyndale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In fact, some of Foxe's writings were used to attack the RCC.

But, when a catholic abandons the papacy and comes into the truth, somehow a man with a stellar reputation as having a word more pure than the wind driven snow becomes the worst liar to ever grace the topside of the Earth.

I think what I posted above renders your sentence inconsequential.

The catholic churches had TORTURE CHAMBERS within them to "correct heretics". Your murderous death cult made the execution of "heretics" into a spectator sport for 1,000 years as testified by countless historic accounts, yet you climb on here and insult this community by calling this into question, as if only the papacy knows how to tell the truth?

I'm not denying that the RCC has less than a stellar history. What I am questioning is your assertion that "MILLIONS and MILLIONS" were murdered at the hands of the papacy. I would have accepted “many” or “a number of” or even “thousands”. But "MILLIONS AND MILLIONS" is a clear exaggeration on your part. Stick to the facts and provide your authoritative verifiable sources!

Was the papacy truthful when they declared ecumenical harmony with all faiths and lured the Huguenots down from their hidden forest and mountain retreats to the towns, before that dreadful murderous tolling of the midnight bell which signaled the commencement of wholesale execution of these poor people?

Was the papacy truthful in their past and on-going cover up for priests who sexually assault and rape kids?

Was the papacy truthful in their pledge to fully cooperate with the Boston PD before the Vatican whisked him away to the safety of Europe?

How can Protestants have access to the "original source" when the papacy - the very death cult institution that stands to be convicted of the charge of "Antichrist" by allowing access to "original sources" - can easily hide them away in the deepest recesses of their papist archives and then argue, "where's your original source"? The papacy has proved itself time and time again to say one thing publicly, but another privately! Did you never read where it publicly downplayed the existence of "heresy" as sparse and much ado about nothing in order to convince the world how beloved the catholi

So, you admit that you don't have the original source, right? You're simply dependent on a line or two you read on the internet, right? Because the internet is ALWAYS 'truthful', right?

By the way, the documents mentioned in this thread aren't “being hidden” among the papist archives. If you want a copy of the source, you can either find a library that has it and/or, purchase a copy of it. The online libraries I've searched either don't have copies or don't have the copies available.

What we have is "witness testimony" from Protestants throughout history, understand?

If a thousand Protestants come forward and claim the VW Beetle ran the stop sign and only one papist claims the 20 yard dump truck ran the stop sign, guess who's telling the truth?

I don't go by the majority (as you seem to do) JUST because it's a majority. I also don't go by "claims." Is it possible that a group of 1000 can lie? Sure, if they all HATE enough. Is it possible that only ONE may be telling the truth? Of course, even if a thousand don't believe him or her.

Yes, and all the history books ever written could be a pack of lies, too, right? Because we weren't there to see the "original sources", right?

No, not "all" the history books ever written are a pack of lies. Try reading Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong; a 1995 book by James W. Loewen.

I have: that the papacy is the Antichrist of Bible prophecy. They've robbed Christ of His heavenly sanctuary ministry, "casting the truth to the ground" by setting up an earthly priesthood, despite the fact that you all know full well "the veil in the temple was torn in twain from top to bottom".

Anti-Catholics have been saying that the Pope is the anti-Christ with every turnover of a new Pope for the past several hundred years. It's nothing new under the sun.

"Another strategy early Protestants used to justify their separation from the Church was to accuse it of being run by the Antichrist, whom they identified as the pope. This too is out of whack with Scripture, which identifies the Antichrist as someone who claims that Jesus Christ has not come in the flesh (2 John 7). That’s hard to do if you are the pope, since your job rests on your being the vicar (representative) of Jesus Christ until he returns to the earth. Nevertheless, early Protestants made the claim, as some do today."

La Salette: Sorting Fact From Fiction

In recent years radical traditionalists have been attacking the Church using a line allegedly uttered by Our Lady of La Salette: “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”

www.catholic.com

The papacy didn't 'set up' the earthly priesthood. Jesus did.

Why do you guys read "There is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the man Christ Jesus" and yet somehow conclude Christians need multiples mediators in the form of popes, priests, cardinals, bishops, dead Christians who have been "canonized"?

We DO agree that Christ is the "one mediator" between God and man. As for why we ask others to intercede for us well...it's in the Bible!

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Where in the Bible is THAT 'rule' written? Do you even know what the 'soul' is?

I don't really care about the majority use of 'semeron'. I care about contextual use.

I do not see Luke 23:43 ALONE as 'proof of my position'. I see it as one piece of 'evidence' along with other evidence(s).

Foxe was NOT Catholic. He was PROTESTANT.

"Foxe resigned from his college in 1545 after becoming a Protestant and thereby subscribing to beliefs condemned by the Church of England under Henry VIII."

John Foxe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Foxe did not tell Tyndale that "the word of the pope was superior to Scriptures."

"After the meeting with Bell and other church leaders, Tyndale, according to John Foxe, had an argument with a "learned but blasphemous clergyman", who allegedly asserted: "We had better be without God's laws than the Pope's", to which Tyndale responded: "I defy the Pope and all his laws; and if God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause the boy that driveth the plow to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost!"[23][24]

William Tyndale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In fact, some of Foxe's writings were used to attack the RCC.

I think what I posted above renders your sentence inconsequential.

I'm not denying that the RCC has less than a stellar history. What I am questioning is your assertion that "MILLIONS and MILLIONS" were murdered at the hands of the papacy. I would have accepted “many” or “a number of” or even “thousands”. But "MILLIONS AND MILLIONS" is a clear exaggeration on your part. Stick to the facts and provide your authoritative verifiable sources!

So, you admit that you don't have the original source, right? You're simply dependent on a line or two you read on the internet, right? Because the internet is ALWAYS 'truthful', right?

By the way, the documents mentioned in this thread aren't “being hidden” among the papist archives. If you want a copy of the source, you can either find a library that has it and/or, purchase a copy of it. The online libraries I've searched either don't have copies or don't have the copies available.

I don't go by the majority (as you seem to do) JUST because it's a majority. I also don't go by "claims." Is it possible that a group of 1000 can lie? Sure, if they all HATE enough. Is it possible that only ONE may be telling the truth? Of course, even if a thousand don't believe him or her.

No, not "all" the history books ever written are a pack of lies. Try reading Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong; a 1995 book by James W. Loewen.

Anti-Catholics have been saying that the Pope is the anti-Christ with every turnover of a new Pope for the past several hundred years. It's nothing new under the sun.

"Another strategy early Protestants used to justify their separation from the Church was to accuse it of being run by the Antichrist, whom they identified as the pope. This too is out of whack with Scripture, which identifies the Antichrist as someone who claims that Jesus Christ has not come in the flesh (2 John 7). That’s hard to do if you are the pope, since your job rests on your being the vicar (representative) of Jesus Christ until he returns to the earth. Nevertheless, early Protestants made the claim, as some do today."

La Salette: Sorting Fact From Fiction

In recent years radical traditionalists have been attacking the Church using a line allegedly uttered by Our Lady of La Salette: “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”

www.catholic.com

The papacy didn't 'set up' the earthly priesthood. Jesus did.


We DO agree that Christ is the "one mediator" between God and man. As for why we ask others to intercede for us well...it's in the Bible!

Matthew 10:28
“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.