Why do some people not like the idea of OSAS?

[St. SteVen]

Why you go in to overtime, of course!

So, this is a blood sport to you?

And no... I believe all the happy verses, but I understand that if God's warnings are need heeded and we go back to living in sin, the happy verses are no longer applicable to us because WE turned away from the Lord

You believe all the happy verses? - LOL
But you say that God's promises can be nullified by our behavior?
We need a more trustworthy God. And suggestions?

If salvation depends on us... we're all toast!

 

[atpollard]

You totally forgot those that endure until the end are saved.... which is abiding in Christ.

Since I quoted Paul in Romans, you will need to speak with God and advise Him that the Holy Spirit needs to issue errata for Romans 10:9-10 to correct His omission. ;)

 

[atpollard]

And of course the OSAS peoples claim the "us" is talking about the world wide OSAS community that believes if a Christian lives in sin it's all good cause they going to Heaven anyway.

Wheat and Tares only look alike for a while. Soon enough you can tell the difference.

I am Particular Baptist (Doctrines of Grace) Preservation of the Saints community and don’t believe in “Reprobate Christians” as a real thing … but we believe Jesus will raise all that the Father has given him on the last day and He will lose none. So, Wheat do not turn into Tares and Tares do not turn into Wheat.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So, this is a blood sport to you?

You shouldn't take any spirited discussion personally... I've had all kinds of stuff said about me and my momma and I've learned to let it roll off like water off a duck's back!

But you say that God's promises can be nullified by our behavior?

No... the Lord said His promises are conditional. Not me.

Since I quoted Paul in Romans, you will need to speak with God and advise Him that the Holy Spirit needs to issue errata for Romans 10:9-10 to correct His omission

I must have missed what you said... so, what did you say that's going to make the Lord have to correct His word in your view?

don’t believe in “Reprobate Christians” as a real thing

Well they must be ignoring what the Lord says about this in Romans...

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

Oh,come now. If it were a meaningless acronym you all wouldn't fixate on berating what it spells out.

Eternal irrevocable salvation.

You aren't ever going to persuade Christians Jesus lied.No matter how much time you waste at the effort.

You are a shameful unapologetic testifier to what a life is without Christ.
You and your companion post here and rail against salvation and Jesus.

You seek attention and gloat that it is given over and over again by those you all despise and have no respect for at all.

And unfortunately,we give you that attention you crave.
Maybe we think if we tolerate your assaults God will call to you.But we can do nothing to save you. Only God calls whom he will.

And what is ever more pathetic about the effort of you and yours is, you example that this is where you have decided to spend your time.

Assailing the faith of others. Googling just enough scripture to make your arguments. Yet proving you don't actually know what we are talking about.

You have lived your life to this moment just to show up here as a bully.Bullies.

It's sad your lives have so little meaning. Very,very, sad.

okidoki

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

okidoki

Sometimes it helps to post this.... wop-bop-a-loo-mop, alop-bam-bom

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

Are you sure?

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

Sometimes it helps to post this.... wop-bop-a-loo-mop, alop-bam-bom

Koolaid anyone? Best politely turn it down. :-)

 

[bro.tan]

"... gives to the world..." ???
You can't be serious.
Judaism has historically been a closed system.
What did Peter say at the house of Cornelius?

Acts 10:28 NIV
He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.

Interesting how you left out these other verses in Acts 10: 30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 3 1and said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. 32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee. 33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

 

[St. SteVen]

Interesting how you left out these other verses in Acts 10: 30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing, 3 1and said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God. 32 Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee. 33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

The key word in verse 30 is the first word. But...
In general, against their law.

Acts 10:28 NIV
He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile.
But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

So your saying the "morningstar" needed saved? from what?

Once again, Jesus called him a non believer in John 6.

64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

Not Once Saved Always Saved

You better make sure your saved first. If your trying to save yourself. your still lost.

Yes sirree bob. I certainly hope you at least shudder when practice your OSAS. Okidoke. :)

James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?h 21Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did. 23And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”i and he was called a friend of God.j 24As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes sirree bob. I certainly hope you at least shudder when practice your OSAS. Okidoke. :)

James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?h 21Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did. 23And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”i and he was called a friend of God.j 24As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

There's no reason to turn the OSAS vs. eternal in-security discussion into a grace vs. works argument. Is there?

It should be obvious that there is no security in the eternal in-security stance.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Koolaid anyone? Best politely turn it down

I've been turning down the OSAS kool-aid since 2011 ever since the Lord brought it to my attention that this was eL false doctrino - false doctrine in spainish!

 

[St. SteVen]

I've been turning down the OSAS kool-aid since 2011 ever since the Lord brought it to my attention that this was eL false doctrino - false doctrine in spainish!

I was about to leave a post that might help you to understand.
But I decided that you are unreachable. I've already said enough.

 

[Ritajanice]

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.


I wonder if @Big Boy Johnson ...understands what this means...?

 

[St. SteVen]

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.


I wonder if @Big Boy Johnson ...understands what this means...?

Wisdom and understanding come with age. We'll have to give it some time.

In fine woodworking, power tools give a basic shape to the piece.
Then rasping tools further the process, removing even more wood.
Rough sanding begins to smooth the surfaces. Medium sanding then.
And fine sanding leaves the smooth desirable surface.

 

[face2face]

Wisdom and understanding come with age. We'll have to give it some time.

In fine woodworking, power tools give a basic shape to the piece.
Then rasping tools further the process, removing even more wood.
Rough sanding begins to smooth the surfaces. Medium sanding then.
And fine sanding leaves the smooth desirable surface.

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I dont mind a rough sawn finish..reminds of John the Baptist's clothing of camel hair - maybe the lesson of that would be lost on your polished character? I take you as one who loves the sound of his own voice.

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

There's no reason to turn the OSAS vs. eternal in-security discussion into a grace vs. works argument. Is there?

It should be obvious that there is no security in the eternal in-security stance.

Steven, it is not OSAS vs. eternal in-security as you wish to frame it. It is OSAS vs the bible especially all the verses that were discarded as they did not conform with OSAS. Commanding the Deity's Grace because of the creature's faith. Placing his seat higher than the Most High.

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

I've been turning down the OSAS kool-aid since 2011 ever since the Lord brought it to my attention that this was eL false doctrino - false doctrine in spainish!

Yes, best spit it out like lukewarm water...er... with cyanide and swamp. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

Steven, it is not OSAS vs. eternal in-security as you wish to frame it. It is OSAS vs the bible especially all the verses that were discarded as they did not conform with OSAS. Commanding the Deity's Grace because of the creature's faith. Placing his seat higher than the Most High.

That line of reasoning is preposterous.
If you reject eternal security, are you not left with eternal in-security?
Is there another option that I am not aware of? Please inform us. Thanks.

We cannot, by an act of our own will, undo what only God could do in the first place.