Why do some people not like the idea of OSAS?

[BlessedPeace]

Please stop.
I didn't have time to work in dancing priests at a bonfire.

You speak wisely but I believe it is no longer disagreements within the body Christ but something from without against which to zealously defend the faith. Never bring out the Holy of Holies in pitch battle :)

I think every online community witnesses that,something without that seems to attack the work of Christ.

The anonymity factor is a deep cover for such things.

And really,what Christian insists they're not eternally saved by Christ?

Satan is very scared. He'll go to any lengths.

 

[amigo de christo]

WHY do some people not like the idea of OSAS.
Now think long and hard about that . WHAT WOULD THERE NOT BE TO LOVE ABOUT IT .
SO why do some not like it is a good question . WHY would someone like me
not teach OSAS .
Now think about this .
Cause by the grace of GOD i am one of the men i know who warns MOST and most often ABOUT THE DIRE NEEDTO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
i , by the grace of GOD remind all the time about the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM
and that if any teaches any other concept ITS A LIE .
I have told people TRUTH . THAT IT WAS GOD ALONE WHO EVEN DREW me to CHRIST
and HE KEEPS ME .
And that ITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE that saved me peroid .
SO why do i not teach OSAS . BECAUSE THEY OMIT DOCTRINES that the CHURCH NEEDED TO KNOW , TO BELIEVE AND TO HEED .
ANY doctrine that omits ANYTHING JESUS taught and later the apostels taught , IS NO IDEA OR DOCTRINE WE WANT TO FOLLOW .
I mean think about it . IT would have been far simplier and far etc for men to just say OSAS OSAS and just went with the flow .
SO WHY DO i not just go with that flow . WHY do some warn against it .
IS IT CAUSE I THINK MESELF OR MY WORKS RIGHTEOUS . NOPE . i say and say often
THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IN ME , BUT THE SPIRIT .
THe problem with OSAS is its doctrines . What it omits , what it disregaurds .

 

[BlessedPeace]

Salvation is spelled out in the Bible not in a meaningless acronym. :) I guess no cliff notes.

Oh,come now. If it were a meaningless acronym you all wouldn't fixate on berating what it spells out.

Eternal irrevocable salvation.

You aren't ever going to persuade Christians Jesus lied.No matter how much time you waste at the effort.

You are a shameful unapologetic testifier to what a life is without Christ.
You and your companion post here and rail against salvation and Jesus.

You seek attention and gloat that it is given over and over again by those you all despise and have no respect for at all.

And unfortunately,we give you that attention you crave.
Maybe we think if we tolerate your assaults God will call to you.But we can do nothing to save you. Only God calls whom he will.

And what is ever more pathetic about the effort of you and yours is, you example that this is where you have decided to spend your time.

Assailing the faith of others. Googling just enough scripture to make your arguments. Yet proving you don't actually know what we are talking about.

You have lived your life to this moment just to show up here as a bully.Bullies.

It's sad your lives have so little meaning. Very,very, sad.

 

[atpollard]

WHY do some people not like the idea of OSAS.
Now think long and hard about that . WHAT WOULD THERE NOT BE TO LOVE ABOUT IT .
SO why do some not like it is a good question . WHY would someone like me
not teach OSAS .
Now think about this .
Cause by the grace of GOD i am one of the men i know who warns MOST and most often ABOUT THE DIRE NEEDTO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
i , by the grace of GOD remind all the time about the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM
and that if any teaches any other concept ITS A LIE .
I have told people TRUTH . THAT IT WAS GOD ALONE WHO EVEN DREW me to CHRIST
and HE KEEPS ME .
And that ITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE that saved me peroid .
SO why do i not teach OSAS . BECAUSE THEY OMIT DOCTRINES that the CHURCH NEEDED TO KNOW , TO BELIEVE AND TO HEED .
ANY doctrine that omits ANYTHING JESUS taught and later the apostels taught , IS NO IDEA OR DOCTRINE WE WANT TO FOLLOW .
I mean think about it . IT would have been far simplier and far etc for men to just say OSAS OSAS and just went with the flow .
SO WHY DO i not just go with that flow . WHY do some warn against it .
IS IT CAUSE I THINK MESELF OR MY WORKS RIGHTEOUS . NOPE . i say and say often
THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IN ME , BUT THE SPIRIT .
THe problem with OSAS is its doctrines . What it omits , what it disregaurds .

For the sake of discussion, let us assume that both YOU and I are saved [definition: our sins are forgiven and if we died at this moment we would spend eternity with Jesus] at THIS PRESENT MOMENT (our salvation is secure for the next 30 seconds).

For our continued salvation over the next 168 hours [7 days], who will be holding on to whom?

• We will be clinging on to Christ ... our success or failure depends on our faithfulness.
• Christ will be clinging on to us ... our success or failure depends on His faithfulness.

In this friendly "WHAT IF", what are your thoughts?
[PS. it doesn't HAVE to be either/or ... if you think I have misunderstood the situation somehow, then feel free to explain. I just presented the obvious choices.]

 

[amigo de christo]

For the sake of discussion, let us assume that both YOU and I are saved [definition: our sins are forgiven and if we died at this moment we would spend eternity with Jesus] at THIS PRESENT MOMENT (our salvation is secure for the next 30 seconds).

For our continued salvation over the next 168 hours [7 days], who will be holding on to whom?

• We will be clinging on to Christ ... our success or failure depends on our faithfulness.
• Christ will be clinging on to us ... our success or failure depends on His faithfulness.

In this friendly "WHAT IF", what are your thoughts?
[PS. it doesn't HAVE to be either/or ... if you think I have misunderstood the situation somehow, then feel free to explain. I just presented the obvious choices.]

Its both . JESUS CHRIST WOULD BE FEEDING US TRUTH BY THE SPIRIT , only we better HEED THE SPIRIT and not our own flesh .
YOU SEE JESUS IS WITH US . OH YES , truth is IF HE TOOK the SPIRIT FROM US , we would be as lost as we once were .
JESUS IS WITH THE LAMBS . THE LAMBS HEED HIM . KEY , THE LAMBS HEED HIM . KEY , the lambs HEED HIM .
THE REAL QUESTION IS , not whether or not one beleives in OSAS OR NOT
ITS WHAT JESUS ARE WE FOLLOWING . YES i know some folks who are OSAS and yet do follow CHRIST
they actually listen to and heed THE WARNINGS . I also know many who are OSAS and follow another jesus
just as i know some who dont teach osas , These few still follow and HEED CHRIST , many of them also DO NOT .
THE KEY IS , ITS TIME WE BRING BIBLCAL DOCTRINE BACK and lets SEE WHO IS FOLLOWING MEN or CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

For the sake of discussion, let us assume that both YOU and I are saved [definition: our sins are forgiven and if we died at this moment we would spend eternity with Jesus] at THIS PRESENT MOMENT (our salvation is secure for the next 30 seconds).

For our continued salvation over the next 168 hours [7 days], who will be holding on to whom?

• We will be clinging on to Christ ... our success or failure depends on our faithfulness.
• Christ will be clinging on to us ... our success or failure depends on His faithfulness.

In this friendly "WHAT IF", what are your thoughts?
[PS. it doesn't HAVE to be either/or ... if you think I have misunderstood the situation somehow, then feel free to explain. I just presented the obvious choices.]

ME THINKS ITS TIME we begin to see WHO REALLY has been and IS following JESUS CHRIST .
the osas threads are getting in the way .
SO lets start asking the real questions .
Lets see who loves and embraces WHAT JESUS SAID
andwhat the apostels said and taught .
SO , lets begin first with the DIRE NECESSITY of HAVING TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
DO ya really think other religoins serve the same god we do and that if they just did some good
they knew GOD . LETS START with that question .
DO you beleive in this rainbow holding love stuff , this many path stuff . IF SO , YOU ARE NOT HIS AT ALL and that
IS a fact . CAUSEIF WE cannot even TRUST IN THE GOSPEL , WE ARE NOT HIS AT ALL .
SO would you agree with me that the muslim religoin is of anti christ and that all other religons are false .
ALLOW me to explain . THE Muslims do claim the name of jesus , yet they do not BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
nor the SON OF GOD . now john would have said IF ANY denies JESUS as the CHRIST they are ANTI CHRIST .
BUT WHAT sayeth YOU my friend.
I aint too worried about this thread . I SAY ITS TIME TO SEE WHO REALLY HAS BEEN LEARNING FROM JESUS CHRIST .

 

[atpollard]

BUT WHAT sayeth YOU my friend.

"My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." - [John 10:27-30 NASB20]

Got to do it all!

• listen
• be known
• follow
• receive ETERNAL LIFE
• never perish
• secure in His hand
• secure in the Father's hand

It is not a Chinese Menu where we get to "pick and choose", it is ALL or NOTHING!

 

[amigo de christo]

For the sake of discussion, let us assume that both YOU and I are saved [definition: our sins are forgiven and if we died at this moment we would spend eternity with Jesus] at THIS PRESENT MOMENT (our salvation is secure for the next 30 seconds).

For our continued salvation over the next 168 hours [7 days], who will be holding on to whom?

• We will be clinging on to Christ ... our success or failure depends on our faithfulness.
• Christ will be clinging on to us ... our success or failure depends on His faithfulness.

In this friendly "WHAT IF", what are your thoughts?
[PS. it doesn't HAVE to be either/or ... if you think I have misunderstood the situation somehow, then feel free to explain. I just presented the obvious choices.]

ITS JESUS POINTING TIME in the building . ITS TIME to unload all scriptures and all reminders . THEN watch and behold
what many will do . For many will omit some of it . Many will reject some of it .
And that IS a serious and deadly problem .

 

[amigo de christo]

"My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." - [John 10:27-30 NASB20]

Got to do it all!

• listen
• be known
• follow
• receive ETERNAL LIFE
• never perish
• secure in His hand
• secure in the Father's hand

It is not a Chinese Menu where we get to "pick and choose", it is ALL or NOTHING!

Lets answer some of those questions on my other post please . concering the other relgions , muslims and etc.
I really would like to hear what you have to say bout that my friend. cause as i said
osas and nonosas can go all the day long at one another and yet in most cases many who are on either side
NEITHER FOLLOWS THE ONE TRUE JESUS CHRIST . so we gotta FIRST be concerned andconcern ourselves
about THAT .

 

[atpollard]

DO ya really think other religoins serve the same god we do and that if they just did some good
they knew GOD . LETS START with that question .

"If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the mouth, resulting in salvation." - [Romans 10:9-10 CSB]

The minimum criteria for SALVATION.

• Jesus is God
• Jesus was raised from the dead.
• mouth - confess - salvation
• heart - believe - righteousness

No "playing" at Christianity ... IN OR OUT!
[This is no place for 'boys'.]

[EDIT: There is ONE PATH to God the Father ... through God the Son (Jesus Christ). All other roads lead to HELL. I trust that is clear enough about "other religions".]

 

[St. SteVen]

It's does not when the whole counsel of God is accepted.

You just inferred that "the whole counsel of God" is in conflict with itself.
The claimed "whole" negates the part?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1) I will explain this once. Morningstar implies a greater angel in heaven. Lucifer means light or lightbearer. What does salvation mean to you? Does it not include heaven or choices of God? Where do you end up when you are saved?

So your saying the "morningstar" needed saved? from what?

2) Now you are great discerner that you deem Judas was not an apostle. Is your discernment is greater than the Messiah?

Once again, Jesus called him a non believer in John 6.

64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

What is this NOSAS? Please establish your nomenclature or write plainly.

Not Once Saved Always Saved

I will always tell those who take their salvation seriously, better get out of babylon.

You better make sure your saved first. If your trying to save yourself. your still lost.

 

[St. SteVen]

Holy Spirit is not a guarantee.

Are you sure?

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

[No, God does not keep His promises. No, the Holy Spirit does not guarantee God's possession. No, Jesus will not raise ALL that the Father has given Him.]

Those that refuse to accept God's warnings concerning losing salvation... are making assumptions based on a small amount of data rather than looking at and acknowledging ALL the data which of course is why OSAS is false doctrine and make a mockery of God's Word. It's too bad for the OSAS peoples, it really is.

Eternal security is ONLY for those that abide IN CHRIST who are not living in sin... which OSAS peoples deny each time they claim one can quit abiding in Christ by living in sin... and claim that person is still saved.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

 

[atpollard]

Those that refuse to accept God's warnings concerning losing salvation... are making assumptions based on a small amount of data rather than looking at and acknowledging ALL the data which of course is why OSAS is false doctrine and make a mockery of God's Word. It's too bad for the OSAS peoples, it really is.

Eternal security is ONLY for those that abide IN CHRIST who are not living in sin... which OSAS peoples deny each time they claim one can quit abiding in Christ by living in sin... and claim that person is still saved.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

I 100% agree. The WHEAT and the TARES may look alike for a season and may be growing side by side in the church (building), but a Tare is not Wheat and a Wheat is not a Tare. Each has a different ULTIMATE DESTINY. OSAS [Preservation of the Saints] means that Philippians 2:13 is true and "God is at work in us, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure" so the Wheat will not fail and Jesus will "raise us up on the last day."

"They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us." - 1 John 2:19

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You aren't ever going to persuade Christians Jesus lied

Jesus didn't lie... He said those that don't abide in Him are cut off and thrown in to the fire.

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch IN ME me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Notices He said "every branch IN ME"??? This is claring speaking about those who got born again and were translated from darkness into the Kingdom of God's Dear Son (Colossians 1:13)... meaning those not baring fruit (which is sinful to not bare fruit) are removed from the Body of Christ.

John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin

Jesus was obviously not a OSAS guy.... otherwise He would have said what the OSAS peoples say which is "it's all good, go ahead and sin, it's no big deal cause it's all good up in the hood... I got you boo!"

You have lived your life to this moment just to show up here as a bully.Bullies.

What are you like in grade school or something?

We're all just having a nice friendly disagreement.... until the OSAS people get their feelings all hurt and have to go to the safe space to pet puppy doggies and eat twinkies!

Acting like this speaks volumes demonstrating the OSAS peoples are not secure in their own beliefs because if they were they would not be getting their wee feelings all hurt like we're all back in 3rd grade or something.

When people don't snap to and agree with you... it's OK, just let it go.

The minimum criteria for SALVATION.

• Jesus is God
• Jesus was raised from the dead.
• mouth - confess - salvation
• heart - believe - righteousness

No "playing" at Christianity ... IN OR OUT!
[This is no place for 'boys'.]

You totally forgot those that endure until the end are saved.... which is abiding in Christ.

You just inferred that "the whole counsel of God" is in conflict with itself.

No, because some people suffer from Cherry Pickers Syndrome and they only believe a few happy verses and ignore or explain away the rest of God's Word.

Because of this somebody needs to remind them of the WHOLE counsel of God cause they be all about the PARTIAL counsel of God which is a symptom of suffering from Cherry Pickers Syndrome

I should go make an entry on Wikipedia about CPS!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

"They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us." - 1 John 2:19

And of course the OSAS peoples claim the "us" is talking about the world wide OSAS community that believes if a Christian lives in sin it's all good cause they going to Heaven anyway.

 

[St. SteVen]

Those that refuse to accept God's warnings concerning losing salvation... are making assumptions based on a small amount of data rather than looking at and acknowledging ALL the data which of course is why OSAS is false doctrine and make a mockery of God's Word. It's too bad for the OSAS peoples, it really is.

In other words...
The one with the most Bible verses wins? - LOL
What do you do with a tie? Or a 10 to 12 situation?
Is truth determined by a majority vote?

 

[St. SteVen]

some people suffer from Cherry Pickers Syndrome and they only believe a few happy verses and ignore or explain away the rest of God's Word.

That saw cuts both ways.
Seems that your solution is to cherry pick a few UNHAPPY verses
"and ignore or explain away the rest of God's Word."

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What do you do with a tie?

Why you go in to overtime, of course!

And no... I believe all the happy verses, but I understand that if God's warnings are need heeded and we go back to living in sin, the happy verses are no longer applicable to us because WE turned away from the Lord as an act of our own free will that the Lord sovereignly chose to give to man by choosing to create man in His Own Image.

That's another thing the OSAS peoples don't understand... what God did when He created man and WHY He created man!